That really shouldn't make you furious. You shake your head and say 'youth'.
Agreed. I liked that segment, surprisingly.
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That really shouldn't make you furious. You shake your head and say 'youth'.
Agreed. I liked that segment, surprisingly.
Oh.
RustyNails
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WAIT BEFORE YOU COUNT THE DAMN CHICKENS
BoboBrazil
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Lol, it was 3 on 1. The Hillary girl definitely seemed more knowledgeable though.
Vincent Alexander
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I had to mute the college kids on CNN. God love 'em for trying, but that was rough to listen to.
Yeah, this is very bad momentum for him and evaporates whatever he had coming out of New Hampshire (which was a lot!)
This could be a 4-6% win for Hillary.
Manmademan
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Clark County is 56-44 in favor of hillary, with 215/1022 precincts in, per the AP.
She's been leading there pretty much from the start and the gap has gotten wider, not smaller. He's finished if that trend keeps up.
I'm only a few years older than them. These are essentially my peers and the reason Bernie is doing so well. I really like Bernie, but when I hear so many of these supporters i'm like
I liked it. It reminded me of my college days. We were all so passionate and inarticulate.
That was also her best county in 2008, and the results look fairly similar to then (if a little better for Hillary), so I would expect her to continue to do well there. We don't know what precincts those are that have reported, but I would much rather be Hillary right now.
Some of those Bernie supporters kept kind of cutting her off too. Poor girl, she tried to speak so much so fast, hahaha
I'm only a few years older than them. These are essentially my peers and the reason Bernie is doing so well. I really like Bernie, but when I hear so many of these supporters i'm like
I thought you might be a cohort of them by your post. As someone a decade older I just giggled at them all and thought of simpler times when I thought in a similar way (black and white, ideology trumps all).
Lol
Vincent Alexander
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Maybe that's why I don't like it...reminds me too much of myself, though I suppose I was worse than the students on CNN. I blossomed into a passionate moron much earlier in my life than college. High school for me, and I have becoming an atheist to thank for that. Luckily, it took one college professor my freshman year to make me realize how little I knew about anything---so I just cuddled myself into an introverted shell and have kept my mouth mostly shut since then
BoboBrazil
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I know. She was so nervous. Felt sorry for her. Also 77% of dems think Hillary can win in November. Only 16% think Bernie can. Per CNN
PopcornMegaphone
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Winter is coming for Sanders
I like Hilary and Bernie, but does it bother anyone else when I see people say on here or out in the world stuff like "i'm voting for Hilary because she's the best candidate to win!" and so forth? God it makes me feel like she's the "best candidate for the job" to some people based solely on the fear of a republican getting in office. Like it could've been anyone in that role as long as they felt they were the majority pick for the democrats.
That is the part that troubles me. Bernie or Hilary I hope we are voting for the person who's best for the nation, not just a seat in musical chairs.
That is the part that troubles me. Bernie or Hilary I hope we are voting for the person who's best for the nation, not just a seat in musical chairs.
Rafa=FedKilla
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MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN.
Only a few more minutes until exit polls.
Only a few more minutes until exit polls.
Bedameister
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thanks. That sounds rather stupid to me though
massivekettle
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How is this a loss for Sanders. He was double digit down in polls a week or so ago. If anything it's a massive win if he can stay within 2-3% of her.
If Hillary has difficultly putting Sanders behind her, imagine in November...
Boy, you went from one extreme to the other. Speak up, man. Don't fear being proven wrong.
You and me both. I feel like Toby from the west wing, stopping everyone drinking champagne until the damn numbers are in... ;-)
Vincent Alexander
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My knee-jerk reaction is that it bothers me, and people who vote this way are making a poor decision. But then I think to myself...if you are someone who likes both candidates, and hate all GOP candidates then maybe it isn't so unwise to pick whoever you feel has the best shot at being out the GOP.
I appreciate it. I'm not as bad as I make myself seem...but I might have a problem in that I'm so afraid of coming off arrogant in discussions that I mostly keep my mouth shut and listen. At least I have GAF---I'm a lot more open here.
brianmcdoogle
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So, Clinton is outperforming her win in 2008 so far? Am I understanding things correctly?
I agree. If Sanders ends up losing Nevada, and it looks like he might, I'm going to get on the Hillary camp and just accept the inevitable. Fun while it lasted but I got to be a realist here.
Looks like she is slightly, yes. But that could change.
Don't get me wrong, I definitely don't want anyone from the GOP to win. I dread that immensely. I just feel very vexed thinking we might be doing it simply for that not to happen. I'd always want us as democrats to make sure we're doing ourselves a favor long term and not just short term.
Is that two separate questions, or a head to head Hillary or Bernie question?
massivekettle
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Not that impressive against a far weaker candidate. If anything she should be dominating, and she is far from doing that.
Manmademan
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The narrative out of new hampshire was that bernie was closing the gap on clinton, and nevada was a dead heat. there were several recent polls that showed them at a tie there, though nevada is hard to poll for a lot of reasons.
If it isn't and he loses by 6 points, that momentum stops dead in its tracks, and the narrative goes right back to "bernie sanders can't win minorities."
he will then goes on to get obliterated in south carolina by 30 points, and lose 80% of the super tuesday states by big margins.
he really, REALLY needed a win, tie, or close loss to prevent that from happening.
I can speak for a lot of foreigners I think when I say Republicans are generally seen as well insane. As such we would prefer a democratic president as they aren't seen in such a negative light. So any democratic choice is better than any republican choice.
Nevada and SC have a thing set up where it's N-D/S-R, then later it's N-R/S-D.
Trump reminds me of Achmenijad.
Did Gore or Bush win in 2000?
If you want to give Sanders a participation award, give him a participation award. At the end of the day, Sanders is going to actually have to win states to have a path towards the Democratic nomination. Yes he won New Hampshire and he'll win Vermont, but that's not good enough.
The two parties independently decide how to do it. A lot of states deviate from here on out.
Wafflecakes
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Keep spinning all you want, but a win is a win.
I might not get to do my debate thread, you would have loved it.
Trump would be Turner D. Century
Manmademan
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ah, that would be something to see.
Wait, who let you in here, this is a politics thread
Ah. I think I know what feeling you are talking about. I've sometimes wondered if being articulate has come off as arrogant in my conversations before, and it probably does, so I feel you.
Earthstrike
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These two things are not mutually exclusive. Unfortunately, your nation is in a poltiical state where the anyone but a republican thing is true.
Vincent Alexander
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I think we're past the point of "Well, I won because I didn't lose by much" with Bernie. It felt, to me, that a lot of that was hinged on Bernie being able to significantly cut into her lead in SC, which would have kept things close even if she ultimately won those two races. But despite his efforts she still maintains a huge lead there. So if Hillary fends him off in Nevada, then that bodes well for her crushing him in SC, then we get to Super Tuesday and...well...
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