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It's a 'how much more evidence do we need that this guy is a piece of shit' mentality

How are people caping for this motherfucker

Look, I don't know what happened. Neither does anybody else. It's a he said she said thing. From what I've read so far about the story, I do think there are holes in this woman's story.

 

[Sixfortyfive]

Amazingly shocking and saddening how the weakest of external pressures was enough to topple our collective like that.

Perhaps it wasn't really a "community", no one even cared about or respected the investment thousands of people had in this site.

I was actually naive enough to think these people would a care a little more than that before sending this place to hell.

Thousands of hours,posts,moments of excitement,exchange or ideas,art,culture..all ready to be destroyed at a moment's notice ,at the slightest provocation.

None of this surprises me, honestly, based on how the most of the forum carried itself.

 

[munchie64]

I just... don't understand why you (referring to Evilore here) continuously act so above the site itself. Like I get it, it's yours but do you realise how easy this whole thing could've been dealt with if you were to act like a human being while talking to people over this all mighty thing you established?

Now any kind of mod and admin transparency seems to have gone down the drain and it's impossible to tell what's going too far and what isn't. Members cant talk to anyone cause the only upgront person is you.

I don't want my account banned at this point, but if this does it then... bye gaf I guess? This site was more than one person, but I'm not sure anymore.

 

[Bsigg12]

Does NFL-GAF have an discord? I was so lost yesterday.

Me too. I would like to hop into that as well.

 

[TLZ]

All I will say is that I believe in innocent until proven guilty and that intentions matter. Perhaps all the people running account suicide should think about that. But they won't. Luckily, I expect this site will survive. The community is better than this.

Always innocent until proven guilty. Always. Whoever's jumping off the boat prematurely are being immature and we're better off without.

 

[jiiikoo]

Look, I don't know what happened. Neither does anybody else. It's a he said she said thing. From what I've read so far about the story, I do think there are holes in this woman's story.

Ah, so the "he" part here is key, am i rite? The he is always right, am i rite.

 

[Neo C.]

Forbidding political discussions won't work, because everything is political (to a certain degree), even gaming.

And it would be a win for the right winger, that's what they want. No discussions about climate change, about how they want to fuck up the health care, about EPA, about China's censorship... we know their tactics, so don't fall for them.

 

[billeh]

Wanna talk about respecting women? Respect them by listening to them when they accuse a man of sexual assault.

This isn't the first time this dipshit has even assaulted a woman. He admitted it himself in a thread years ago on this very forum. And that's completely besides the fact that he covered up for one of his pedo mods for years.

 

[Fercho]

I for one I’m really disappointed in the actions taken and banning all political threads. It was refreshing to go to the internet and have a safe space where the slightest sign of an alt-right imbecile and their “let’s have a civil discussion” antics were not tolerated (some of them already came out under their rocks to post in this thread)

Eco chamber all you want, but a normal environment in these abnormal times was refreshing and felt right, sadly it feels now that they won.

And to evil lore, after reading the vice article , you can read some fishy stuff coming from the person making the allegations, you can tell some malicious behaviors from this person and you should fight it with everything you have , good luck.

 

[Wordstar]

Is this what the internet has come to? Condeming someone without evidence or a trial?
Im glad everyone doing this is leaving or getting banned. This way this can be a plattform wich is focuses soley around gaming. Bad things around the world happen every second of the day.
I still need a forum for gaming either way.

 

[metalslimer]

I never would have thought gaf would fully embrace the gators, but "get politics out of gaming" is such a clear way of pandering to them. I see them rejoicing all over the internet. The thing they hated has now become their home, and they will wear gaf's hollowed out corpse to mock progressives for years to come. Shame.

It's depressing, there is a place between promoting civil discourse and straight up caving. Pretending like the an art form like gaming doesn't have huge political parts to it is exactly what the gators wanted.

Every art form is someway social/political. You cannot separate the two as much as some people may want to.

 

[Krev]

What is it with all the "ban me" threads/posts? Comes across as very much "look at me". Just stop visiting

People want to voice their displeasure before they go. They're angry. A lot of people have visited here daily for a decade. There's a lot of memories tied up with this place. It's not so easy to just leave without saying anything.

 

[Upinsmoke]

I'm glad GAF is back online personally. I wanna talk video games with people.

 

[All Hail C-Webb]

It's a 'how much more evidence do we need that this guy is a piece of shit' mentality

How are people caping for this motherfucker

He got naked in front of a girl he was drinking with, in a hotel room, who he knew was in an open relationship. This is her version of the story. If he had posted a thread on GAF before the events, we would have probably advised him to get naked. This was a plot point on How I met Your Mother.

I think we're underestimating how many people have multiple accounts here, or have been banned and created aliases. I think that within a few months, many of the best posters will be back here posting like before.

You know that the outrage from some people is bullshit when they're posting some of the shit they're posting knowing full well that women and children are here.

 

[Mahadev]

looooooooooool only compared to fucking reddit or 4chan. this off-topic is center-left at best. we had countless threads shitting on bernie and his "white dudebro" supporters for daring to oppose hillary's coronation despite the fact that her faux-feminism and wokeness was bullshit opportunism to shore up her upper-class base who naively cares far more about racism/sexism/anti-LGBT than the capitalistic class system that these three things derive their power from in the first place.

off-topic was more for applauding some useless kneeling gesture that has had its meaning completely change by the corporate class and for totally epic anti-trump zingers from comedians brought to you by folks just like you at media conglomerates like The Walt Disney Company and Viacom, not for anything of actual substance.

People and especially Americans tend to confuse this corporate media sponsored faux leftism/activism/feminism with the actual left. Progressives, socialists and the rest have been busting our asses trying to explain that this isn't left but people just refuse to hear it. Newsflash guys, neoliberalism isn't left.

 

[Rewrite]

Whatever the outcome of all this is, one thing for sure is that GAF will never be the same. For better or for worse. I'll wait and see what happens as I've been a member for years and the communities I've participated in have been amazing.

 

[Grazzt]

What is it with all the "ban me" threads/posts? Comes across as very much "look at me". Just stop visiting

I can't understand those either. If you don't want to visit Neogaf anymore or don't want to be part of it, just stop coming, delete the browse history. What's the point begging for ban (attention)?

 

[Evileh]

This is the problem with society today... There are just some bad people out there that will do everything and anything to attack, flame, discredit and humiliate. Why do they do this? They are just hateful people who think they can do or say anything on the internet because it's a safe place... The internet is not a safe place. If you can argue with someone who you only know on the internet in a public space, you are being ridiculous. Would you be saying these things to their face? Do you say these things to not only internet people but is this how you act in public? WTF is wrong with you? Jesus grow up, it's the internet, it doesn't fucking matter what you say or think. Be respectful as if you were in front of the person you are talking to. I'm ashamed of people these days, they think they are entitled to certain aspects of life they think they are superior to all others and they think they can act however they want to act. There is no respect AT ALL! If every one would just mind their own business and quit acting out or trying to start shit just for the sake of starting shit this country would be much better off. Nope, everyone has to have a phone in their hands tweeting fbing or whatnot. It's not even intelligent conversation either, it is just people saying and doing whatever they want to do because they think the consequences of their actions don't apply to them. If you don't have anything nice to say.... SHUT THE FUCK UP AND KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. Sometimes I wish this type of technology wasn't around, things were much better and less tense back in those days.

 

[vonStirlitz]

[Redacted as the member no longer wishes to be associated with this website, and the reputational damage and distress caused by association with this website. In addition, the user considers that the action of the management, and the nature of the site and members of its community, renders the original terms and conditions of this site void, and it unconscionable for either side to be bound to them. The user reasserts their IP rights in all content and does not give any authority for its continued usage on this website. Despite requesting that the user's account be deleted, in accordance with data protection rules which apply to this website over multiple jurisdictions, the admin team have failed to delete this account, requiring the user to take its own steps to ensure the valid deletion of data.]

 

[DaytimeWhiskey]

Wanna talk about respecting women? Respect them by listening to them when they accuse a man of sexual assault.

This isn't the first time this dipshit has even assaulted a woman. He admitted it himself in a thread years ago on this very forum. And that's completely besides the fact that he covered up for one of his pedo mods for years.

Or the low key racism. It's not just about this incident, it's about the bigger picture. Dude is a fucking scum bag

 

[Mushroomer25]

if he is innocent he needs to step down...


WHAT THE FUCK?


so in other words, evilore get fucked both ways?

This is just how it works in the real world. Sometimes being in power means taking the bullet, if it means saving the thing you worked to create. Real organizations with less power and influence than GAF have protocols on how to handle a transition of power in a situation like this. Nobody's saying that he couldn't return after he regained the trust of the userbase.

EvilLore decided to not give up an inch of power. Which meant that when he went down, everything went down around him.

 

[The Mule]

What's the point begging for ban (attention)?

Some kind of twisted sense of validation.

 

[Zelmardonpoktendo]

Is this really what you want though? A site like this? How would you feel if someone told you to "fuck off"? You'd want them banned, right? Because that's a pretty rude thing to say. So why would you say this to anyone else? Is that really what you want NeoGAF to become? A site where you can say this, without any consequence? Because that certainly doesn't sound like a place, as the description on the main site goes, a "neutral ground where facts and evidence, presented within the confines of civil, inclusive discourse, prevail through careful moderation." That sounds like something quite different.

Or is it alright only to say that about certain people, the right people, the one's who "everyone hates anyway"? Because that certainly doesn't sound neutral. And that was apparently what the whole "problem" with the OT and political discussions were in the old NeoGAF--that that was only directed one way or whatever. So is it suddenly okay now that the shoes on the other foot? Because that's definitely not neutral. And either way, the golden rule still applies--treat others the way you want to be treated.

Is this really what people want to see this site become? Stuff like this post? Because I sure don't, but unfortunately it seems like that's what's going to happen if the site keeps on this current track.

No one should have to endure stuff like this. But unfortunately, the decision to blow up the OT promotes exactly this point of view--continued divisiveness and scapegoating. And I can't see how the site can possibly recover from such a thing. It just lets wounds fester and divisiveness grow and grow and grow, instead of tackling it head on. I just can't understand how anyone could consider that a good idea. It only makes problems worse, not better.

Its bigger than that
My issue is thousands of threads being open calling him a paedophile and sexual predator which is appalling, then people that decide to stick around, saying they consent to sexual abuse behaviour or paedophiler. Its disgusting, its wrong, and im no fucking sexual predator just because I want to stick around a gaming forum.
Its a joke! so many keyboard Nazis that have no idea what they are saying. He is saying he is innocent, if you don't believe it then everyone should delete their accounts and fuck off to another perfect gaming forum.

 

[EGOMON]

Man I can't wait for this shit to end so we could go back to discuss video games again

 

[Roland1979]

making moderators invisible (removing the little transparency this site had already) is, with great precision, the exact opposite of what needed to be done.

if you don't plan on making a strong, concerted effort to admit to and quash the left-leaning group thinks that absolutely ruined Gaf, then I'll be happy to give up my account and move on. No more hurt feelings and agenda pushing. No politics in OT is fine, but if there is a legitimate gaming related discussion we should absolutely be free to espouse conservative views and opinions without fear of the banhammer. Your move.

^This.

I have the feeling this site will never be the same again.

 

[Drain You]

I don't really want to comment on any of this shit for the time being but I am so Glad Gaf is back.

I kept typing Teamxbox.com into Chrome and wishing I'd magically go back I time to around 2005.

 

[eBay Huckster]

attn everyone sending me PMs about poligaf

the site is currently rate limiting to one reply every 10 minutes. i made a twitter account specifically for DMs related to this, so feel free to shoot me one if you wanna know what we're doing in the wake of the community getting banned

 

[3N16MA]

what are these hundreds of posts saying that GAF is now dead, yet a weak ago they considered GAF to be perfectly fine?

are these people saying that the site/community is now dead to justify leaving?

i'm a bit lost here...

One week ago I had no clue that a former mod was a fucking pedo and another seemed to sympathize with the scum that take part in that shit. I didn't find out until I tried figuring out what was going on with this place and that led me to the disturbing information.

So yeah, GAF is a different place in my eyes than it was a week ago. I really don't see the point in continuing to stick around.

 

[Ruff]

There are a lot of junior members who created their account in 2014 giving their input.

Could see less of your elitist ideology that having a junior tag makes their opinion any less valid tbh

 

[aBarreras]

This is just how it works in the real world. Sometimes being in power means taking the bullet, if it means saving the thing you worked to create. Real organizations with less power and influence than GAF have protocols on how to handle a transition of power in a situation like this. Nobody's saying that he couldn't return after he regained the trust of the userbase.

EvilLore decided to not give up an inch of power. Which meant that when he went down, everything went down around him.

so all i need to fuck over someone is to say he harrased me?

i can say that elon musk touched my penis? and he will need to resign? no need, HE MUST resign correct?

 

[The Red Viper]

Can one of the spineless mods do me a solid and nuke my account?

 

[rucury]

I liked NeoGAF because of the requirements to join, the moderation, and the ability to not just talk about video games but also talk about things like politics and other media.

Then the #MeToo event culminates in EviLore himself getting accused, and the response is victim blaming off-site and additional obfuscation on-site.

I'm not fond of the response and I'm not fond of how I find the site this evening when I decided to check in again.

Clearly this site has meant a lot to me because I've been checking it the last couple of nights, but after this response I'm not sure if I'll continue to visit.

I understand how difficult modding can be. I modded Off-Topic and Console Gaming for PurePwnage during it's heyday, and it took me from being a very nice and helpful member to being rather irritable and crass at times.

But, semi-anonymous moderation might serve to stifle discourse even more. I say semi because there's no way you can moderate completely anonymously, unless you're just not going to give any indications outside of the banned tag.

Speaking of stifling discourse, new Off-Topic sounds like it'll just be like talking to co-workers now and less like a community. Sticking to base level discussions and blatantly ignoring the real world outside of this website doesn't sound ideal to be honest.

Some streams can get away with it but a whole website may not be able to, especially with games media being so heavily steeped in GamerGate and other awful modern alt-right platforms.

Personally I think going "back to just gaming" is almost like admitting we'd all rather ignore the real life situations we just saw unfold this weekend and in general, and just pretend it all never happens.

Which is kind of hard for me to do, personally.

I know no one cares about what I post. I know Juniors and members alike will say something like "good, then be gone with ye." Hey, I may even catch a ban after three years of behaving due to this post. But I wanted to say something because I really enjoyed my time on GAF and I hate to see it come to this.

But, after such a massive unprofessional response to this past weekend I don't think I'll be back. Ironic, considering we've had numerous topics on these exact sorts of events happening and there's plenty of ways to see how not to respond to these sorts of accusations. But yet, here we are, and I'm out.

I read your post entirely and I thought it was very well put together. I agree with you, particularly when you mentioned how banning certain speech in OT is basically like talking to your coworkers now. Sticking our heads in the sand. Just wanted to let you know that at least someone read it and cared, if you ever read this. Take care.

 

[WildEagle18]

I'm glad GAF is back. Its my favorite past time reading threads in the gaming section during my work break and it felt like a hole today without it.

Also lol @ all the acc suicide.

 

[ptuck874]

Jesus christ.

I left for 5 days and come back to all this insanity.

No words.

lol, same here dude, well 3 days or so for me ...

 

[Aurongel]

Can one of the spineless mods do me a solid and nuke my account?

Do yourself a favor and log out. It'll save time.

 

[Mahadev]

Some kind of twisted sense of validation.

It's called virtue signalling and was also an import from the Offtopic. They really feel like martyrs when they're doing this.

 

[Wamb0wneD]

Evilore, you rapist fuck. I would like to formally challenge you to a halberd duel. Loser gets banned. From life.

Who did he rape? Who? Show me the receipts you freaking buffoon.
Even if the allegations are true, they don't mention rape in any shape or form.

I really hope everyone who says Evilore "raped" someone gets banned so we have these ridiculous clowns off the board. Not that they would have much to do without OT existing anyway.

It's called virtue signalling and was also an import from the Offtopic. They really feel like martyrs when they're doing this.

Yeah and calling Evliore a rapist is part of that as well. It's like the biggest OT toxic pitchfork moment ever.

Can one of the spineless mods do me a solid and nuke my account?

Why would they do that if you call them spineless in the same sentence. Use the logout function like normal people do that don't have attention issues.

 

[Nekketsu Kõha]

so all i need to fuck over someone is to say he harrased me?

i can say that elon musk touched my penis? and he will need to resign? no need, HE MUST resign correct?

Funnily enough we had a big thread in OT where people tried to destroy Elon Musk because he didn't value his secretary enough...

 

[Bsigg12]

GAF is currently NSFW as a whole as the account suicide threads are happening. I've already clicked into too much shit tonight.

 

[Vlade]

I heard the new other site the mods that bailed are starting has blackjack and hookers.

Quite the death frenzy up in here. Everybody was doing it.

 

[PigSpeakers]

Okay, let's be real Evilore. You created this. You fostered this toxic community that destroys people the minute they have the slightest whiff of them doing something they don't agree with. Even if you didn't do it, you deserve the outrage from the culture that you allowed to persist on your fucking message board for so many years. This didn't just happen recently. This shit has been going on for sooooo long now and it's become increasingly insufferable in the past several years.

So, if you're asking why there's a witch hunt, you don't need to look very hard. You had every opportunity to stop this outrage culture a long time ago. And you didn't. And it's come back to bite you in the ass so hard.

 

[ShogunX]

From Kotaku
In a phone conversation with Kotaku, Leupp said that even after the alleged shower incident, she'd continued her friendship and even had a brief physical relationship with Malka until they had a falling out at E3 2015.

People are losing their shit over the whole shower thing yet they both hooked up not long after....how the fuck has this managed to ruin GAF?

 

[Phrozenflame500]

Uh huh.

You know I kinda wish it didn't take sexual assault accusations to completely revamp the site's moderation. Guess I'll wait and see what happens with the majority of the community then.

 

[aBarreras]

Funnily enough we had a big thread in OT where people tried to destroy Elon Musk because he didn't value his secretary enough...

i remember that thread, he fired her because he could do her job himself.

 

[ZeoVGM]

Could see less of your elitist ideology that having a junior tag makes their opinion any less valid tbh

That wasn't what I was saying.

 

[Ticoman]

I like the OT. There were always a few great posters with critical thinking and open mindedness there. Something the internet mostly lacks.

I agree with some of the posters on here saying we should hear all the facts and investigate thoroughly before we lay down the sentence.

The truth will set us free.

 

[OptionalObjectives]

Political and social discourse will not be allowed in the new Off-Topic.

Wow. That's terrible. Some "Off-Topic" section that will be.

Think of how that sounds- an off-topic section where some of the most salient and regular topics of ordinary, everyday life are forbidden. Absurd. Ridiculous. As in, "worthy of ridicule."

Re-open these forums as they were or don't re-open them at all. You're blaming the GAF's issues on its users, but users are all that GAF has. And looking at the allegations against Evilore, as well as past misconduct (some outright illegal, and much immoral) of mods, I don't think that blame for the problems that GAF is having should be placed on its users.

Don't get it twisted, people.

 

[Mushroomer25]

so all i need to fuck over someone is to say he harrased me?

i can say that elon musk touched my penis? and he will need to resign? no need, HE MUST resign correct?

Are you a personal friend of Elon Musk?

Have you seen Elon Musk brag about touching penises in the past?

Are you ready to brace for a lawsuit and scandal that would cripple you both financially and socially?

Sure, go right ahead. If it gains traction, you might get a lesson on how an adult handles their public image.

 

[Takuan]

OT really needed a reset and I hope moderation is a bit more balanced when it returns.

Gaming side has always been pretty solid for news and I'm happy it's back.

 

[QuixoticNeutral]

You capture my thoughts about it perfectly.

I think its a societal thing, as we are all conditioned to comment immediately and have views on everything, and like/unlike everything, without thinking it through. So everything becomes kneejerk dogpiling. This thread being a case in hand.

That was one adv of the mods. They could be heavy handed, but the threat of banning kept some wayward shitty debates in check.

Lets see what happens and who is left. That will affect the character of the community more than anything.

All right, serious question: given your name and avatar, are you just sticking around to activate as a sleeper agent to rise up the command structure of a potential far-right takeover and destroy it from within?