dolabla
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How did you get that out of that?
Again, there are always two sides of the story. I know some of you have never been able to grasp that fact. I've read the OT plenty of times to know.
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How did you get that out of that?
Again, there are always two sides of the story. I know some of you have never been able to grasp that fact. I've read the OT plenty of times to know.
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
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Again I hope evilore has learned a few lessons from all of this. Be humble and realise your mistakes then hopefully this place will become good and while I can only speak for myself, I would stay if that happened. Also mods needs to behave and respect that what they do is janitorial not building a cult of personal worship around themselves.
So here's my stance: I was completely unaware of who owned / ran NeoGAF, or their history. This accusation and explosion of communication (from other people) exposed me to Evilore's history, and the pattern of his abuse, of women and of power. This single accusation would not have garnered much of a response from me unless it led somewhere, but there's a lot of previous history that this pulled to light (for me), including Evilore admitting to assaulting someone sexually. That doesn't even get into the "revenge" stuff and other issues.
Yes, you should not take a single accusation and run someone into the ground over it. However, this is not a single accusation, this is the culmination of years of accusations and shady behavior.
Elfstar
Member
This is everything that needed to be said. Period.
eBay Huckster
Member
posting this for page 22 (and also because i didn't actually have DMs open oops)
Compsiox
Banned
I'm afraid that the people who made OT unbearable will make up the majority. I don't know what I'm going to do.
Exactly.
Also more than half of the idiots nuking their accounts didnt even bothered to read and analyze this girl statements. They are fishy and weird as fuck.
I'm glad OT is being refocused, I've come to GAF for the past 15 or so years because it is the best video games news aggregator on the Internet and I hope it stays this way since I can't be bothered going to different outlets to check on news, screenshots and whatnot.
I'm staying for the videogames.
I'm staying for the videogames.
Jack The Nipper
Banned
Getting back it as soon as possible will help. Yes it's work but stalling it only prolongs another huge problem.. Consider getting it back asap
I come here only for the gaming forum so the new focus of the site is perfectly fine. I choose to give T.M. the benefit of the doubt on this matter. I think that while people are perfectly legitimate to criticize his attitude with how this whole mess had been dealt, they have absolutely no right at all to crucify someone like that. Judging without context and declaring culprit someone without evidence is unacceptable imho. Now, back to games.
DaytimeWhiskey
Banned
Fucking THIS. This is not an isolated incident
prag16
Banned
Yep, that post is likely the best one in the thread. The fact that it was met with any significant resistance is telling. But as you said a lot of the bad seeds seem to be leaving on their own. That's a good thing.
This on the other hand is a bad thing.
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
Yep. Apparently that made him a terrible person who needed to be destroyed.
Just one of many examples of the insanity that was the OT and its members.
TLZ
Banned
Because these types of people are immature hypocrites. It is sad.
Even in this post you act like a saviour by helping out your friends when things get them down. Your suggestion that you couldn't release a statement until now after finding out about this accusation 6 days ago is laughable, especially when you spoke to certain members of the press and note yourself that you had 2 days before GAF "went down" and had it up yesterday. Take some damn responsibility for your actions for once. Some of the goings-on with certain moderators in the last year particularly should have at least helped open your (and other people's) eyes, but once again you brushed it under the rug and got a chokehold on everyone and anyone's attempts at understanding what had happened and who is accountable, the one thing you do very well here unerringly.
Accept that people don't want you here, you've overstayed your time here and your attempts at managing an authoritarian hold over discussion and the life of the community has always threatened the site. You obviously think otherwise so I will spell it out for you: you didn't make the good parts of the NeoGAF community and site what they were, everyone else did that in spite of you. For the moderators that genuinely were oblivious to these latest events and that did good work on the site you have my thanks. Evilore, if you care so much about this site you will understand that your time is up, but your unwillingness to accept anything ranging from something as small as simple criticism up to the reality of your actions over the years and the impact they have on those your inflict yourself upon unwanted means you won't. Instead you are attempting to cling on with as tight a grip as ever.
If you thought the community of GAF was bad before you don't know what's coming. But, perhaps you do and that pleases you. I might miss certain communities and people here, but regardless of whether migrations or new forums work or not, I'm not sticking around to endure more of your shit.
Ciao.
Accept that people don't want you here, you've overstayed your time here and your attempts at managing an authoritarian hold over discussion and the life of the community has always threatened the site. You obviously think otherwise so I will spell it out for you: you didn't make the good parts of the NeoGAF community and site what they were, everyone else did that in spite of you. For the moderators that genuinely were oblivious to these latest events and that did good work on the site you have my thanks. Evilore, if you care so much about this site you will understand that your time is up, but your unwillingness to accept anything ranging from something as small as simple criticism up to the reality of your actions over the years and the impact they have on those your inflict yourself upon unwanted means you won't. Instead you are attempting to cling on with as tight a grip as ever.
If you thought the community of GAF was bad before you don't know what's coming. But, perhaps you do and that pleases you. I might miss certain communities and people here, but regardless of whether migrations or new forums work or not, I'm not sticking around to endure more of your shit.
Ciao.
DeviatePanda
Neo Member
Oh fuck off. This whole situation makes me regret ever joining.
Sgt. Kabukiman
Banned
This is a great post and it sums up my thoughts perfectly. Thank you man.
Mr. Mister
Member
Kind of scary how many subtle MAGA folks are here. But they just wanted to be able to freely talk - keep it real. Yall are so disgustingly happy now.
Obviously that psycho lied about what actually happened in her hotel room. All the Bill Cosby and Harvey Weinstein accusers are liars too. Theyre just looking for hush money. Women are truly dishonest and greedy. Thanks for giving this issue the attention it needs Tyler.
jk fuck off rapist scum
jk fuck off rapist scum
DiscoJer
Member
Well, that's the thing about sexual harassment. People tend to believe accusations when it fits their political or personal agenda, and disbelieve when they don't.
Like right now you have conservatives upset about Hollywood and Harvey Weinstein, yet ignoring or downplaying the various shady stuff at Fox News, like the story about how Bill O'Reilly settled a case for $32 million.
And then in the tabletop RPG community, you have some recent accusations that the head of one company sexually harassed a woman at a convention, but then the company that ran the convention hushed it up and pressured the employee to not say anything about it.
Mushroomer25
Member
Is your entire schick just acting like an idiot, or is there more to this bit?
EvilLore would be expected to resign because when this accusation came out, it was pretty obvious nobody was surprised. His reputation was already scarred. This was just enough to push people over the edge.
holy shit....
onadesertedisland
Member
What is your opinion on the male's statements? Are they also 'fishy and weird as fuck', or do they ring true?
Same. NFL Gaf had become the place I used the most, so would be great if someone can hook me up. Much appreciated
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No political or social discussion.
On off-topic
So just sports and tv. But not all sports and not all tv (can't talk about the nfl what with that whole kneeling thing, oh and some tv shows won't be appropriate cause they'll make too much of a statement on current events or society in general)
Great
On off-topic
So just sports and tv. But not all sports and not all tv (can't talk about the nfl what with that whole kneeling thing, oh and some tv shows won't be appropriate cause they'll make too much of a statement on current events or society in general)
Great
loli pantsu
Member
The Vice podcast goes into a lot more detail. The gist is she worked it out with him that it was a 'I got drunk and did something stupid moment' and they moved on from there.
I'd highly recommend that everyone give it a listen. There's a lot more stuff mentioned in there than available in Kotaku and Vice's published articles.
These two statements seem at odds with each other. Mods running around managing people and threads with zero transparency or accountability seems like a disastrous idea.
Please bring back the stock and investing for retirement threads. Yes its weird to want those things ina gaming forum but the nature of gaf when someone is always on means there is way more discussion than in actual invest purposed websites. That and I can go over and sometimes find some snes vs genesis music threads on the gaming side.
Thats probably why OT is so popular. You can bring up any topic and someone somewhere will most likely respond within a few minutes.
OT is the only reason Im here anymore. Its a fantastic resource, dont dump it now because of some political stuff please.
Thats probably why OT is so popular. You can bring up any topic and someone somewhere will most likely respond within a few minutes.
OT is the only reason Im here anymore. Its a fantastic resource, dont dump it now because of some political stuff please.
TLZ
Banned
Years of accusations sounds like a continuous stream, yet you only mentioned 2, obe of which he admitted, and the other is just silly.
C'mon.
Nekketsu Kõha
Banned
It is great actually.
If you need to talk politics there are far bigger forums and social network sites for you to use. If you feel your latest thought about domestic policy is so important then you shouldn't share it on a gaming forum anyway because you would be talking to a bunch of people playing games.
minusman2029
Neo Member
yo evilore dudebro, if you really cared about the community and the principles behind this site (inclusivity and an eclectic love of games), you'd just step down and hand over the reins to a more responsible individual
even if the allegations are not as bad as many make them out to be, based on your past reputation as a blowhard and history of mismanagement there's just simply too much bad blood at this point for things to return to the status quo.
if your record was spotless and clean, maybe you would deserve the benefit of the doubt and I would stick around, but I'm afraid you haven't earned that credibility.
do the right thing and step down. otherwise you'll never shed the label of being a skeevy little twat
even if the allegations are not as bad as many make them out to be, based on your past reputation as a blowhard and history of mismanagement there's just simply too much bad blood at this point for things to return to the status quo.
if your record was spotless and clean, maybe you would deserve the benefit of the doubt and I would stick around, but I'm afraid you haven't earned that credibility.
do the right thing and step down. otherwise you'll never shed the label of being a skeevy little twat
Just going to reiterate, if you are only looking at this single, most recent accusation, then sure it seems a bit much. But it's super easy to dig up the larger story here, especially since it's all over other gaming networks now. It's impossible to know who is freaking out over 1 accusation and who went to go find out the bigger, problematic history, but either way, at this point the evidence is pretty damning.
I mention 2 because I am not going to write a news article here. I pulled out the two most important (to me) and even ONE of those would be enough to lose my respect, two starts to show a pattern, and throw on top the rest of the history? There's no way it's all wrong.
People are being so political, it's incredible. I come here to read some news about gaming and various things, not see people complaining about misconducts and things like that.
There's going to be a painful few days of shitposting and bans before we can talk normally like we used to do. It's pitiful, but people who can't respect that just really need to go find another community.
There's going to be a painful few days of shitposting and bans before we can talk normally like we used to do. It's pitiful, but people who can't respect that just really need to go find another community.
Slayer-33
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Exactly what I'm saying, this is insane. It's an e-lynching vigilante style.
No one deserves to have their lives tarnished forever no questions asked just because of some "public" accusation that no one can verify.
Step back a bit and think about it for a sec.
Have ya never known an abused person who'd keep going back to their abuser? I haven't a cluse if thats the case here or not but its certainly a very real thing that I'm sadly super familiar with myself. Emotions and logics are often at odds when it comes to "love".
You need help.
I think the point is that NeoGAF wants to welcome more light-hearted discussion and shy away from the heavy stuff that generally causes the most friction. Even if you're in support of political discussion, you have to admit that the nastiest posts on the site are the ones found in those threads.
If you want to have intense debates about that sort of things, there are plenty of other places that have been created solely for that purpose. It's not necessary or fitting that there's so much political discussion on a gaming forum.
In fact, the way heated political arguments find their way into so many topics here is possibly one of the reasons NeoGAF is reviled by almost everyone besides a section of its own userbase. It's not about winning or losing, it's about creating an environment that the primary audience (gamers) actually wants to be a part of.
Atom Heart Mother
Banned
despite all of my rage i'm still just a rat in the gaming age forums
Peter Sjöstrand
Member
I'm glad it's back, with that I'd like to request to have my account banned/removed. I no longer wish to be associated with NeoGAF.
Zelmardonpoktendo
Banned
and this is what im saying!!!!!!!!
but no apparently because I say this, I am a predator as well.
idiots
Always innocent until proven guilty. Always. Whoever's jumping off the boat prematurely are being immature and we're better off without.
*sigh* I feel too many of you do not understand what brings about the belief in an accuser's story and why people do so. It is not the belief that one is guilty automatically, it is the knowledge that in the vast majority of accusations of this nature most are not false, by lie or mistake.
The accuser is the one that is at a disadvantage almost all the time (except in racist, sexist, etc cases.) and everyone knows this, so it is difficult for them to come out about it. Not only that, but people like you guys tout "innocent until proven guilty" and take the side of the accused, leaving the accuser with very little support to carry on.
This is why many rapes and other sexual crimes (indeed it is speculated that majority of rapes) are not reported. Sure, the left's way of dealing with it is not the best, but that "innocent until proven guilty" approach also have consequences for the accuser.
Besides this, majority of GAF were and are not "hive-minded" in that they call for the accused's head either. You have some posts saying it and people calling out some of those posts as if it is majority opinion because people say they will back the accuser more.
The idea that OT was a place where you had to tread thin-ice or avoid it like the plague is simply not true. I have voiced minority opinion (including support of death penalty) and yet I have not been banned, though I have been called out by some.
The issue is with the current climate and even somewhat before, a certain party in the U.S sticks with backwards belief which harms minority groups. In order to come out as a Republican or right-wing, you must defend the fact that you are fully willing to sacrifice these groups of people (which are dying. being killed, and being persecuted) for whatever you are voting right-wing people in for. It is not easy to do that, without seeming like a terrible person and yet many have done this as some vote Republicans in for tax reasons and yet they were not banned.
It was a simple common-sense rule and usually there are many signs that you are treading thin-ice before you actually get banned and can "correct" your behavior or apologize and leave the tread. Many simply didn't, dug deeper and were banned. I can't say I am sure banning such people is the right approach, but I sure as hell do not like having to argue with a person who is being obtuse, arguing semantics, or strawmen as they dance around my words. How else can such people be dealt with if not a ban?
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