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I'm a big fan of Seinfeld. I've been watching it regularly for over 25 years, so for better or worse, it's played a part in shaping my worldview. That said, I think I can recognize and sympathize with some of EviLore's questionable behavior.

1. He was looking for tips on how to shower more effectively.

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2. He wanted to protect his female guest from the unusually powerful showerhead; taking a bullet, so to speak, like a true gentleman!

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3. He installed a garbage disposal in his shower to be more efficient, and needed urgent access to it to prepare a meal for a group of scientology spinoff cultists (or risk being roofied if they were unsatisfied).

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Because seriously, do you expect him to take a bath or something? And sit there in a tepid pool of his own filth? It's disgusting.

i almost reached 20,000 posts you dick
 
Tried to post a new thread in Gaming but couldn't. I guess my privileges were restricted after asking for a Discord invite in the Media Create thread, as I've never had issues creating threads in the past. Way to treat your legacy members.

I can't either, but I never asked for a discord and can't think of any other rules I've broken.
 
What is extreme leftism, like being overly solicitous about the well being of marginalized groups of people? Oh no, how awful.

You are incorrect. I have visited OT every day for the last 4 years. I log in first thing and read the new threads. On breaks, lunch, evening, I saw it constantly. You are either being disingenuous or completely naive.
Youre absolutely being the one who is being disingenuous with that post. Youre using such hyperbole to try and paint most of those discussions in a light that very rarely happened without merit. But back it up if you think I'm off base, I'd like to see the people calling gary johnson voters actual white supremacists.
 
I have yet to read a single one of these posts where the person complaining about an unjust ban wasn't 100% in the wrong and deserved a ban. Its unbelievable how disillusioned they are.
I caught a 72 hour ban for "predicting a ban" on myself. In a meta thread about GAF I said I'd probably eventually say something not "in-line" enough and get banned. So they banned me for it...
 
I'm a big fan of Seinfeld. I've been watching it regularly for over 25 years, so for better or worse, it's played a part in shaping my worldview. That said, I think I can recognize and sympathize with some of EviLore's questionable behavior.

1. He was looking for tips on how to shower more effectively.

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2. He wanted to protect his female guest from the unusually powerful showerhead; taking a bullet, so to speak, like a true gentleman!

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3. He installed a garbage disposal in his shower to be more efficient, and needed urgent access to it to prepare a meal for a group of scientology spinoff cultists (or risk being roofied if they were unsatisfied).

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Because seriously, do you expect him to take a bath or something? And sit there in a tepid pool of his own filth? It's disgusting.

i almost reached 20,000 posts you dick
But the Seinfeld characters were awful sociopaths.
 
Aeolist can't defend his position well. That's it. You were only banned if you became a toxic poster posting lies, misogyny, racism, bigotry, etc. You could be banned for repeatedly being obnoxious by not listening to other view points.

Lots of people couldn't defend positions well, not sure why Aeolist got singled out from all of everyone.
 
You grew resentment over rules established by the admin and hated them because it was censorship (your definition). However, you like it now that the admin is censoring political and social discourse because it fits your agenda?

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"Extremist left". Calling out racists and what not makes me an extremist? SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT


First of all, A+ shitposting. Second, I have to laugh at the implication that the mods here ever followed the TOS the last few years. Absolutely hilarious. Third, I already replied on the part about Evilore banning politics, I guess you didn't read it.
 
and there's plenty of evidence and witnesses to corroborate that.

25 hours later...

Nothing.

I thought there was plenty of evidence and witnesses. I think witnesses would be eager to come out and defend him if he was innocent right? And I'm sure evidence is easy to obtain. What? Is it in some fucking vault somewhere and he's busy trying to plan the heist to get it out of there?
 
this fucking post lmao

I fucking can't

As I said, members who had political views aligned directly with the mods found them to be a group of wonderful and courageous and blameless ethical compasses, as you apparently do. Finally, someone with opinions you agree with and the power to silence everyone else.

But everyone else who wasn't towing a strong liberal lean to literally every possible conversation or debate in OT found them insufferable during those years. That's not to say it didn't change. I posted a few things this past year or so that were pushing back against things I thought might likely get me banned due to the politics of it, but was happy to find the debate was allowed.
 
I caught a 72 hour ban for "predicting a ban" on myself. In a meta thread about GAF I said I'd probably eventually say something not "in-line" enough and get banned. So they banned me for it...

So you basically challenged the way mods banned people and not so subtly called them out for holding a particular way of upholding the rules of this place and then got surprised when they banned you for it? I'm pretty sure there is a rule about taking up grievances with modes through forum posts vs pms.


None of those posts called them white supremacists. Its worrying that you don't see the difference between people being concerned with apathy towards it vs saying they embody it.
 
What is extreme leftism, like being overly solicitous about the well being of marginalized groups of people? Oh no, how awful.


Youre absolutely being the one who is being disingenuous with that post. Youre using such hyperbole to try and paint most of those discussions in a light that very rarely happened without merit. But back it up if you think I'm off base, I'd like to see the people calling gary johnson voters actual white supremacists.

Just stop. I am not blind nor stupid and know what I read on a daily basis. Did you go to any of the most inauguration threads? It was a shit show of anyone who didn't vote or didn't vote Hillary was just as bad as a Trump supporter. Any thread made on a news feed from a police harassment was single line posts of all cops are evil and if you tried to talk about it you got hit with the stupid "whataboutism" or both sides bullshit.
 
Come on, there were unspoken rules in the political threads. Things that were not to be said. Mention open borders is an issue for security, or Hillary is a crook and it was immediate racist! Nazi! I read so many posts from people that said if you voted third party, or didn't vote at all that you were JUST AS BAD AS A WHITE SUPREMACIST. It's total horseshit. There was no room for discussion and to the notion "well, come prepared to back up all your words" is fine if you are given a few posts to do that. Most people make a comment or thought and if it's asked about would then reply and have a discussion. In those threads, you could one-line ALL COPS ARE FUCKS all day and all you would get is posters saying, "TRUTH!" but if you said, I voted Johnson because Hillary does NOT have the country's best interests then you had better have had 1000 words and 10 links to support your claim in the same post.

Most people on this site (that remain) are not GGers, racists, homophobes or Islamophobes. Most on here believe in having the right to live the life you want if it doesn't cause harm to others. But, a lot of people disagree on the finer points. These are the areas for discussion that will hopefully be allowed to occur. Two opposite minded people need to be able to talk candidly, even if one view might not be so hot. This is how minds can be changed, how people can become aware of things they might not have considered before. Expecting people to already be "on board" with the left leaning stances shuts out those who are open to have an honest discussion about them.

Wow. Both sides should come together and talk?

Like, you get what you're saying right?

People of worth don't disagree on the finer points. We already know police brutality is wrong. We know racism is bad. We know saying the N word even by yourself is bad. We know telling racist jokes with your friends who give you a pass is bad. We know all these finer points.

Y'all just don't care.

Y'all just want to keep having this discussion like it will go anywhere.

Like, how come all these discussions of right vs left, the right never budges? They never say, "hey, police brutality is bad" or "maybe we should treat women with respect?", or "it's their body", or "wearing provocative clothing isn't a reason to touch a woman".

Like, what finer points should still be discussed? They were already discussed and decent human beings decided to err on the side of caution and, ya know, treat people with respect.

Don't be on board with left leaning stances, that's 100% fine. Don't get upset when left leaning people call y'all racist, bigoted, prejudiced, misogynistic, etc when you say shady ass things.

First of all, A+ shitposting. Second, I have to laugh at the implication that the mods here ever followed the TOS the last few years. Absolutely hilarious. Third, I already replied on the part about Evilore banning politics, I guess you didn't read it.

I read it. It's bullshit. We know. We're just doing this dance where you try to waste my time but I don't care. Been here all day so my day is already wasted. In fact, I think I'm wasting your time since you don't seem to be targeting your hate else where. Seems like a win for me.
 
So you basically challenged the way mods banned people and not so subtly called them out for holding a particular way of upholding the rules of this place and then got surprised when they banned you for it? I'm pretty sure there is a rule about taking up grievances with modes through forum posts vs pms.
As I said, it was a meta thread about GAF and how it operates. It wasn't an out of line or off-topic thing to discuss. It felt like a mod (they hid behind modbot btw) was taking the piss.
 
Tried to post a new thread in Gaming but couldn't. I guess my privileges were restricted after asking for a Discord invite in the Media Create thread, as I've never had issues creating threads in the past. Way to treat your legacy members.

There was a problem with some inherit permissions, that is fixed.
 
Wow, I haven't been on here in almost a week thanks to my phone being sent back for repairs, and the whole site almost collapses. I'm just glad things didn't get TOO crazy.....

As long as we have gaming forums, I'm okay.
 
I read it. It's bullshit. We know. We're just doing this dance where you try to waste my time but I don't care. Been here all day so my day is already wasted. In fact, I think I'm wasting your time since you don't seem to be targeting your hate else where. Seems like a win for me.

This reply literally has no arguments in it.
 
Just stop. I am not blind nor stupid and know what I read on a daily basis. Did you go to any of the most inauguration threads? It was a shit show of anyone who didn't vote or didn't vote Hillary was just as bad as a Trump supporter. Any thread made on a news feed from a police harassment was single line posts of all cops are evil and if you tried to talk about it you got hit with the stupid "whataboutism" or both sides bullshit.

Good for you, but I come on this board everyday as well. Anecdotal evidence means nothing to me. When you back it up, I'll walk it back.
 
Wow, I haven't been on here in almost a week thanks to my phone being sent back for repairs, and the whole site almost collapses. I'm just glad things didn't get TOO crazy.....

As long as we have gaming forums, I'm okay.

See? You're gone for a week and the site goes bat-shit crazy. It's your fault.
 
Oh no! Some random person on the Internet doesn't like me anymore! FYI, that happens in real life if you spew hateful stuff out loud.

Chilling effect? Oh come on. Plenty of folks didn't get banned for expressing divergent perspectives. You gotta do better than this. Not buying your rhetoric. :3

What a cute tiny sidestepping flippant non-response.

Oh no! Some random person on the Internet doesn't like me anymore! FYI, that happens in real life if you spew hateful stuff out loud.
Where exactly did I spout hate when I experienced a chilling effect in conversations I was in??? That is a wonderfully amazing claim to make. That people who had problems here on NeoGAF with the toxicity of the admins/mods or the progressive groupthink circlejerk were actually dealing with people not liking them because they "spew hateful stuff out loud". ALL OF THEM? Broad statement without any foundation beyond your own apparent vicious twisted assumptions, and dare I say, projections. You literally have no logical way of proving this statement, it is fallacious on its face and quite ridiculous. Quite indicative of the general willfully disingenuous false nature of your appraisal and assumptions of those you disagree with.

I say projection because, quite frankly, what kind of spite filled person actually has the gall to go around pretending at holier-than-thou moral superiority while making denigrating false unfounded claims about the supposed hate based speech of others as the supposed cause of all of their problems. You dismissed out of hand clear statements which disproved your ridiculous assertions, instead you claim to know the REAL reason behind any issues that they had, which is their own supposed inner hate, which they supposedly spewed out loud.

Wow. You are really a waste of a conversation. No wonder you so desperately need a progressive echo chamber bubble to defend and protect you against the savagery of reasonable logic based arguments.


Oh geez.

Nobody is calling you racist if you're not racist.

If you say something racist then you will be called a racist.

You're just reinforcing the idea that you should be allowed to say bad shit without being held accountable.

Ohhh. Except...


Complete strawman.

If you're a Republican you are either completely uninformed, ok with racism, or supportive of racism. It's just facts... :/

Doesn't make you a nazi, but no need to cuddle your views.

Explain how a Republican is not one of three above and we can discuss.

Because there are NO witch hunts. There is NO chilling effect. ALL claims that people are racist are based ENTIRELY on FACTS. Because "Nobody is calling you racist if you're not racist.". Just because Subpar Spatula says so.

Subpar Logic is more like it.


Chilling effect? Oh come on. Plenty of folks didn't get banned for expressing divergent perspectives. You gotta do better than this. Not buying your rhetoric. :3
hahah. "Not buying your rhetoric" You have literally zero to say in response.

You can't explain why there is a large group of silent users. Why they have remained silent? Why they are speaking up now, if there was no chilling effect or witch hunt? "You gotta do better than this. Not buying your rhetoric." The burden of proof is on YOU. YOU are the one who said there was no witch hunts, YOU are the one who then claimed there is some "silent group" out that for some strange reason, is apparently only willing to speak NOW that the admins/mods have left a thread opened, and the progressive masses have left in protest. You can't even come to a basic logical conclusion explaining that away, so you pretend my points are so weak that I need to "do better than this". I guess you need some kind of remedial help with basic logic and reading comprehension or something. I doubt that anyone reasonable is buying your little sidestepping attempts.

A tacitly or officially condoned group of really high level low thinking disingenuous posters like yourself, dogpiling opposing viewpoints and the posters, labeling them as being hate filled and hate based. Making them have to prove their innocence all while telling them that they don't REALLY understand their own supposed inner hate based motivations. Standards are conveniently applied, and never to you. You are the forever hypocrite, annointing himself with robes of progressive virtue, and like virtually everything progressively virtuous, it is something to be heard but never seen.

Witch hunts? Where? Chilling effect? Never seen it. Numerous personal anecdotal evidence to the contrary? Lies, all lies. Hear no evil, see no evil. Funny how there are so MANY of them, and how you seem to fear a mirrored type of forum for THEIR viewpoints. Which you assume will be exactly like yours has been, which is horrible as long as it doesn't benefit you, but a welcome relief when it does.

What a waste of a conversation. You are so obviously oblivious to criticism or anything well-reasoned. You ARE NeoGAF.

Let it burn.
 
None of this ever happened.

The last Star Wars thread I checked out in OT (about a week ago?) basically devolved into people shouting "sexist!" at anyone who thought Rey was a somewhat poorly-written Mary Sue, regardless of nuance or context presented. That's the sort of thing I look at and think, "nope, I don't need this today" and just bounce when I see it.

That's one anecdote, but it's not a terribly inaccurate snapshot of what OT turned into.
 
So you basically challenged the way mods banned people and not so subtly called them out for holding a particular way of upholding the rules of this place and then got surprised when they banned you for it? I'm pretty sure there is a rule about taking up grievances with modes through forum posts vs pms.



None of those posts called them white supremacists. Its worrying that you don't see the difference between people being concerned with apathy towards it vs saying they embody it.
Accusing them of being ok with or supporting white supremacy is more than accusing them of apathy. Those are just the first ones I could find. Go through pigeons post history and he makes it pretty explicit.
 
Wow. Both sides should come together and talk?

Like, you get what you're saying right?

People of worth don't disagree on the finer points. We already know police brutality is wrong. We know racism is bad. We know saying the N word even by yourself is bad. We know telling racist jokes with your friends who give you a pass is bad. We know all these finer points.

Y'all just don't care.

Y'all just want to keep having this discussion like it will go anywhere.

Like, how come all these discussions of right vs left, the right never budges? They never say, "hey, police brutality is bad" or "maybe we should treat women with respect?", or "it's their body", or "wearing provocative clothing isn't a reason to touch a woman".

Like, what finer points should still be discussed? They were already discussed and decent human beings decided to err on the side of caution and, ya know, treat people with respect.

Don't be on board with left leaning stances, that's 100% fine. Don't get upset when left leaning people call y'all racist, bigoted, prejudiced, misogynistic, etc when you say shady ass things.



I read it. It's bullshit. We know. We're just doing this dance where you try to waste my time but I don't care. Been here all day so my day is already wasted. In fact, I think I'm wasting your time since you don't seem to be targeting your hate else where. Seems like a win for me.

This is the you're either this or that BS. It is possible to have social liberal views and also moderate or gasp conservative ones that are nowhere near hate, racism, white supremacy, and bigotry. Finer points are things like maybe there is one police officer in the world that is not an asshole so throwing them all under the bus servers no one. Or, maybe welfare in it's current state is not working . People that need it should get it but not if you're on drugs, maybe? These are open points that your "both sides" could actually talk about. What is alt-right or racist about trying to fix the deficit? Left says more social programs, cut the military! Maybe that is not the right answer but neither is spending a shit ton on defense or cutting welfare and medicaid to piddly amounts. There are tons of talking points about the state of the country we could discuss without having to draw race, religion or sexual orientation into it.
 
What a cute tiny sidestepping flippant non-response.


Where exactly did I spout hate when I experienced a chilling effect in conversations I was in??? That is a wonderfully amazing claim to make. That people who had problems here on NeoGAF with the toxicity of the admins/mods or the progressive groupthink circlejerk were actually dealing with people not liking them because they "spew hateful stuff out loud". ALL OF THEM? Broad statement without any foundation beyond your own apparent vicious twisted assumptions, and dare I say, projections. You literally have no logical way of proving this statement, it is fallacious on its face and quite ridiculous. Quite indicative of the general willfully disingenuous false nature of your appraisal and assumptions of those you disagree with.

I say projection because, quite frankly, what kind of spite filled person actually has the gall to go around pretending at holier-than-thou moral superiority while making denigrating false unfounded claims about the supposed hate based speech of others as the supposed cause of all of their problems. You dismissed out of hand clear statements which disproved your ridiculous assertions, instead you claim to know the REAL reason behind any issues that they had, which is their own supposed inner hate, which they supposedly spewed out loud.

Wow. You are really a waste of a conversation. No wonder you so desperately need a progressive echo chamber bubble to defend and protect you against the savagery of reasonable logic based arguments.




Ohhh. Except...




Because there are NO witch hunts. There is NO chilling effect. ALL claims that people are racist are based ENTIRELY on FACTS. Because "Nobody is calling you racist if you're not racist.". Just because Subpar Spatula says so.

Subpar Logic is more like it.



hahah. "Not buying your rhetoric" You have literally zero to say in response.

You can't explain why there is a large group of silent users. Why they have remained silent? Why they are speaking up now, if there was no chilling effect or witch hunt? "You gotta do better than this. Not buying your rhetoric." The burden of proof is on YOU. YOU are the one who said there was no witch hunts, YOU are the one who then claimed there is some "silent group" out that for some strange reason, is apparently only willing to speak NOW that the admins/mods have left a thread opened, and the progressive masses have left in protest. You can't even come to a basic logical conclusion explaining that away, so you pretend my points are so weak that I need to "do better than this". I guess you need some kind of remedial help with basic logic and reading comprehension or something. I doubt that anyone reasonable is buying your little sidestepping attempts.

A tacitly or officially condoned group of really high level low thinking disingenuous posters like yourself, dogpiling opposing viewpoints and the posters, labeling them as being hate filled and hate based. Making them have to prove their innocence all while telling them that they don't REALLY understand their own supposed inner hate based motivations. Standards are conveniently applied, and never to you. You are the forever hypocrite, annointing himself with robes of progressive virtue, and like virtually everything progressively virtuous, it is something to be heard but never seen.

Witch hunts? Where? Chilling effect? Never seen it. Numerous personal anecdotal evidence to the contrary? Lies, all lies. Hear no evil, see no evil. Funny how there are so MANY of them, and how you seem to fear a mirrored type of forum for THEIR viewpoints. Which you assume will be exactly like yours has been, which is horrible as long as it doesn't benefit you, but a welcome relief when it does.

What a waste of a conversation. You are so obviously oblivious to criticism or anything well-reasoned. You ARE NeoGAF.

Let it burn.

At a point all the folks complaining about dog-piling, witch hunts, and chilling effects clearly have an agenda.

See, y'all say we never listen to reason but y'all never listen to us. Y'all except us just to listen to guys and accept your word. Every ban story brought up has been refuted. Y'all can't fool us.

Like, at this point who are you trying to convince? I've been on GAF long enough to post 9k+ times and participated many different types of threads to know a lot of what you guys are saying is BS. Like, why can't a lot of you actually accept you said some hateful stuff and were banned / hated by members of the community for it? Grow up and accept your issues or else you won't have the respect of the people who you truly admire and chase after.

There's a reason y'all came out of the woodwork recently: the people who held you accountable left. You feel emboldened now because everyone who you despised left now you can convince whoever is left to believe you were oppressed. Those who you are trying to convince don't buy it.

The last Star Wars thread I checked out in OT (about a week ago?) basically devolved into people shouting "sexist!" at anyone who thought Rey was a somewhat poorly-written Mary Sue, regardless of nuance or context presented. That's the sort of thing I look at and think, "nope, I don't need this today" and just bounce when I see it.

That's one anecdote, but it's not a terribly inaccurate snapshot of what OT turned into.

Plenty of arguments showed she wasn't. The arguments for her being a Mary Sue were simple like, "she beat a seasoned force user so quickly!".

It's been disproved.

You're not trying to rewrite history and make the idiots who kept pushing the envelopes as victims.
 
Wow, I haven't been on here in almost a week thanks to my phone being sent back for repairs, and the whole site almost collapses. I'm just glad things didn't get TOO crazy.....

As long as we have gaming forums, I'm okay.

I would say it went pretty...crazy, and pretty wild.
 
Aeolist can't defend his position well. That's it. You were only banned if you became a toxic poster posting lies, misogyny, racism, bigotry, etc. You could be banned for repeatedly being obnoxious by not listening to other view points.

Speaking of bans, now that OT is back up (albeit read only), I can link the exchange that led to my most recent ban. It starts here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=196049813#post196049813

I go back and forth with Bobby Roberts (a known privileged favorite with the mods). He acts a bit pompous in post 699 (as he so often does when it relates to Star Wars) and dismisses me basically because I was drawing from discussion that occurred in different threads on a similar topic... apparently I was only allowed to consider THAT thread for some reason; I say in post 704 that he's being pedantic (which he was), and then BOOM one month ban for being "unnecessarily condescending", courtesy GhaleonEB (surprisingly he's not banned, but must have been demodded at some point). Bobby uses post 711 to quote me and call attention to my post for the mods apparently outraged that I said he was being pedantic; pretty transparent what he was doing, while failing to address the rest of the post.

Just one small example of fairly petty mod abuse, coupled with the 'protection' of one of the 'favorite son' posters here.
 
Come on, there were unspoken rules in the political threads. Things that were not to be said. Mention open borders is an issue for security, or Hillary is a crook and it was immediate racist! Nazi! I read so many posts from people that said if you voted third party, or didn't vote at all that you were JUST AS BAD AS A WHITE SUPREMACIST. It's total horseshit. There was no room for discussion and to the notion "well, come prepared to back up all your words" is fine if you are given a few posts to do that. Most people make a comment or thought and if it's asked about would then reply and have a discussion. In those threads, you could one-line ALL COPS ARE FUCKS all day and all you would get is posters saying, "TRUTH!" but if you said, I voted Johnson because Hillary does NOT have the country's best interests then you had better have had 1000 words and 10 links to support your claim in the same post.

Most people on this site (that remain) are not GGers, racists, homophobes or Islamophobes. Most on here believe in having the right to live the life you want if it doesn't cause harm to others. But, a lot of people disagree on the finer points. These are the areas for discussion that will hopefully be allowed to occur. Two opposite minded people need to be able to talk candidly, even if one view might not be so hot. This is how minds can be changed, how people can become aware of things they might not have considered before. Expecting people to already be "on board" with the left leaning stances shuts out those who are open to have an honest discussion about them.

Your entire premise is based on your feelings and not data. Immigrants are actually less likely to commit crimes than Americans. No one should give your whataboutism that paints immigrants as somehow more deserving of greater scrutiny because it doesn't line up with the facts. Frankly such rhetoric has the same effect as those groups in othering people who weren't blessed with the happenstance of being born here as somehow less safe. When reality shows they are less likely to commit crime than regular old ignorant Americans. You may not be a member of any of those groups but you're still spreading their stink and ideology with these "concerns", "opinions", or "views" or whatever you'd like to call them. If you can divorce your feelings from the equation you might be able to see how functionally, especially to groups like immigrants if you are the same. I don't blame them for not giving a shit about your intentions. They are busy trying to make a better life for themselves.

Why should there be room for shit that's so clearly wrong without facts to back it up. What finer points does that add to the discussion?
 
Your entire premise is based on your feelings and not data. Immigrants are actually less likely to commit crimes than Americans. No one should give your whataboutism that paints immigrants and somehow more deserving of greater scrutiny because it doesn't line up with the facts. Frankly such rhetoric has the same effect as those groups in othering people who weren't blessed with the happenstance of being born here as somehow less safe. When reality shows they are less likely to commit crime than regular old ignorant Americans. You may not be a member of any of those groups but you're still spreading their stink and ideology with these "concerns", "opinions", or "views" or whatever you'd like to call them. If you can divorce your feelings from the equation you might be able to see how functionally especially to groups like immigrants if you are functionally the same. I don't blame them for not giving a shit about your intentions. They are busy trying to make a better life for themselves.

I’m sorry but I’ve lost the thread. What does the quotes post above have to do with some dude approaching a subordinate in the shower with his turgid tube steak? I’m confused.
 
At a point all the folks complaining about dog-piling, witch hunts, and chilling effects clearly have an agenda.

See, y'all say we never listen to reason but y'all never listen to us. Y'all except us just to listen to guys and accept your word. Every ban story brought up has been refuted. Y'all can't fool us.

Like, at this point who are you trying to convince? I've been on GAF long enough to post 9k+ times and participated many different types of threads to know a lot of what you guys are saying is BS. Like, why can't a lot of you actually accept you said some hateful stuff and were banned / hated by members of the community for it? Grow up and accept your issues or else you won't have the respect of the people who you truly admire and chase after.

There's a reason y'all came out of the woodwork recently: the people who held you accountable left. You feel emboldened now because everyone who you despised left now you can convince whoever is left to believe you were oppressed. Those who you are trying to convince don't buy it.


I like how you deflect the SHIITLOAD of accusations against the former mods of selectively banning people who disagreed with their political views by accusing them of agenda pushing in the same thread where there are screenshots of besada admitting he's looking for reasons to ban posters that disagree with his political views. Like cicero said, it's no coincidence that people who are are terrible at debating want a forum that bans dissent.

Also what agenda are these people pushing? Please be specific.
 
Speaking of bans, now that OT is back up (albeit read only), I can link the exchange that led to my most recent ban. It starts here:

http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?p=196049813#post196049813

I go back and forth with Bobby Roberts (a known privileged favorite with the mods). He acts a bit pompous in post 699 (as he so often does when it relates to Star Wars) and dismisses me basically because I was drawing from discussion that occurred in different threads on a similar topic... apparently I was only allowed to consider THAT thread for some reason; I say in post 704 that he's being pedantic (which he was), and then BOOM one month ban for being "unnecessarily condescending", courtesy GhaleonEB (surprisingly he's not banned, but must have been demodded at some point). Bobby uses post 711 to quote me and call attention to my post for the mods apparently outraged that I said he was being pedantic; pretty transparent what he was doing, while failing to address the rest of the post.

Just one small example of fairly petty mod abuse, coupled with the 'protection' of one of the 'favorite son' posters here.

Considering yourself the last 24 hours, I don't doubt them. I wouldn't be surprised you were marked as someone to watch for being condescending or suspect for a while. I'm pretty sure I was too given my track record in the MCU.

You live by the sword, you die by it.

But hey, the system is 100% broken.

I like how you deflect the SHIITLOAD of accusations against the former mods of selectively banning people who disagreed with their political views by accusing them of agenda pushing in the same thread where there are screenshots of besada admitting he's looking for reasons to ban posters that disagree with his political views. Like cicero said, it's no coincidence that people who are are terrible at debating want a forum that bans dissent.

Also what agenda are these people pushing? Please be specific.

You can't fool me Mr. I Only Like Censorship When It Benefits Me.
 
"Extremist left". Calling out racists and what not makes me an extremist? SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

But you're an admitted racist. That's gotta suck. It must suck the people who you want to talk to only hold dislike for you. Damn, must be lonely.

No, dismissing arguments out of hand while simultaneously claiming the moral high ground is what partisan extremists do all the time. Since you are using these tactics I can't help but view you as one.

Also, I spent the past 12 years working in high poverty minority communities in education and outreach programs, so you fuck right off with your "huh you disagree with me on Michael Brown, you must be a racist!" line of complete idiocy. You exemplify the exact partisan hivemind purity-test garbage that Gaf, and the internet at large, has been awash in for the past few years and I can't help but think there's no actual escape from it other than cutting all ties to social media.
 
I'm sorry but I've lost the thread. What does the quotes post above have to do with some dude approaching a subordinate in the shower with his turgid tube steak? I'm confused.

This thread is also about the state of NeoGAF. The discourse has quite a bit to do with that as a discussion forum. Or you can try reading the post of the user being quoted to give you a bit of context to my statement's relevance.
 
To be fair most of the people reading Neogaf are "listening" to y'all. It's not like there are a lot of right leaning threads here. But in the end most don't want a conversation but rather hold a lecture and that's not how a message board works.

Personally sjw and racist are labeles thrown around too quickly to invalidate what a person is saying without actually engaging in what they said. It's intellectually lazy and a major tactic used often here. "Oh if you look at the posters other threads you'll know what's up."

And for those saying this forum isn't too left leaning I have one word to for you.


Lime
 
Moral of the story for me: anyone in a position of authority is reposible for how they wield power. Power is neutral. It assumes the character of the one wielding it. So if this alleged case is true, then the guy who runs this forum (sorry I don’t know his name even though I’ve been posting on GAF since 2002) will always be a lecherous horn dog parading his penis around for all to behold. Trust me on this. I’m speaking from experience. Men seek to dominate others. That’s the male drive. Most of us can keep it in check. But some cannot and then we end up with alleged situations like this one. We like to think that we’re a modern society that has advanced from the days of the cave man but frankly we’re really not. Like it or not, in our culture stems from the phallus.
 
Wow, I haven't been on here in almost a week thanks to my phone being sent back for repairs, and the whole site almost collapses. I'm just glad things didn't get TOO crazy.....

As long as we have gaming forums, I'm okay.

They did... ☹ and "Crazy" is an understatement, this place is fucking nuts right now.
 
No, dismissing arguments out of hand while simultaneously claiming the moral high ground is what partisan extremists do all the time. Since you are using these tactics I can't help but view you as one.

Also, I spent the past 12 years working in high poverty minority communities in education and outreach programs, so you fuck right off with your "huh you disagree with me on Michael Brown, you must be a racist!" line of complete idiocy. You exemplify the exact partisan hivemind purity-test garbage that Gaf, and the internet at large, has been awash in for the past few years and I can't help but think there's no actual escape from it other than cutting all ties to social media.

Dude you're an admitted perma-banned person who has said dubious things about Michael Brown and joining the gamer gate hostility. You did this to yourself by making terrible decisions and claiming you were trolling.

You kind of invalidated your own opinions.

Like, you're now saying, "I worked in minority areas" just like Colin who said he grew up in minority areas. You're not fooling a god damn person. lol

Wait, how does it benefit me? What is my agenda? Please tell us.

I already know you know. ;) T'is fun.
 
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