The state of NeoGAF
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A lot of them are automatically censored if you post them.
After a couple of days, I need to speak up. I wanted to gather my thoughts and write this without being angered or confused by the chaos on this website. Everything in this post is probably already said, theres probably nothing new, but I needed to say it myself. Not to wake the flame, not to troll or end with a blow, I need to say this because I dont want to stay silent.
I dont want to talk about NeoGAF as a website, the complaints about strict moderation, its culture or its future. Im aiming my comments at EviLore. First off, I want to say that Im generally a person that wants to hear all the facts before drawing to a conclusion, its something I learned throughout the years on NeoGAF, initially as a lurker, later as a poster, and Im happy about that! GAF brought me a lot, it taught me about social issues Id never heard of before, gave me windows into other peoples lives and views, in short: it broadened my spectrum.
Then came last week. The allegations came out and chaos ensued on this very forum. Honestly, most if not all- of the allegations and newly found information were completely new to me, so I was in shock. But like I said before, I want to hear all the facts, give everybody a chance to make statements and share information. This by no means is a nod to both sides, but rather a way to base my conclusion on all the available information. So I didnt grab my pitchfork, I waited. And waited.
EviLore, it took you three days to give a statement. Two, if you want to count your comments to Klepek for his Waypoint article. I cant even imagine what was going on in your head, no matter what the truth is. The panic of losing your life project, watching your team run off, the confusion, the possible anger. All this time I was waiting, and then you came with your statement, as seen on this first page.
That is your story. Im angry. I know that NeoGAF isnt synonymous with EviLore, but you are the leader, whether people like that or not. With that leadership comes a responsibility to keep your community together, because without a community there is no NeoGAF. You knew everybody in this community would read that statement, you had to anticipate their reaction. Maybe you did, but if you did, your view of your community might be different from what the community expected of you.
Nowhere in your statement do you refer to the recent allegations in detail. You dont mention the shower allegation, the way we were told you reacted, details about those nights, facts about your supposed relationship, counter stories, any way to prove that what is being said is incorrect. Even worse, you only choose to attack, instead of explain. Look back at your statement, only the first paragraph (2 lines) are dedicated to your side of the story. The other 26 lines are dedicated to behind the scenes information, damage control and future plans. In those two lines, you claim you have evidence, but you provide none.
So here we are. Ive been patient, I wanted to hear your story, but you didnt say anything. At all. Now, this is happening. People, including me, are drawing conclusions with the available information. Either way, I do blame you, because if and only if- you are in fact not guilty of anything, you do have yourself to blame for the consequences of your (in)actions and (lack of) statements.
Its been a really sad couple of days, watching this community fall apart. I dont know what will happen, if Im allowed to even say this without being banned, if the community will survive, but I can do one thing. After being approved, I started making gifs, because animating is my life. If this is my final message, I want it to end with one of my first animations, but updated to reflect this situation and how I feel it has been handled. Full circle. I do mean it when I say this: thanks for all the great years.
I dont want to talk about NeoGAF as a website, the complaints about strict moderation, its culture or its future. Im aiming my comments at EviLore. First off, I want to say that Im generally a person that wants to hear all the facts before drawing to a conclusion, its something I learned throughout the years on NeoGAF, initially as a lurker, later as a poster, and Im happy about that! GAF brought me a lot, it taught me about social issues Id never heard of before, gave me windows into other peoples lives and views, in short: it broadened my spectrum.
Then came last week. The allegations came out and chaos ensued on this very forum. Honestly, most if not all- of the allegations and newly found information were completely new to me, so I was in shock. But like I said before, I want to hear all the facts, give everybody a chance to make statements and share information. This by no means is a nod to both sides, but rather a way to base my conclusion on all the available information. So I didnt grab my pitchfork, I waited. And waited.
EviLore, it took you three days to give a statement. Two, if you want to count your comments to Klepek for his Waypoint article. I cant even imagine what was going on in your head, no matter what the truth is. The panic of losing your life project, watching your team run off, the confusion, the possible anger. All this time I was waiting, and then you came with your statement, as seen on this first page.
That is your story. Im angry. I know that NeoGAF isnt synonymous with EviLore, but you are the leader, whether people like that or not. With that leadership comes a responsibility to keep your community together, because without a community there is no NeoGAF. You knew everybody in this community would read that statement, you had to anticipate their reaction. Maybe you did, but if you did, your view of your community might be different from what the community expected of you.
Nowhere in your statement do you refer to the recent allegations in detail. You dont mention the shower allegation, the way we were told you reacted, details about those nights, facts about your supposed relationship, counter stories, any way to prove that what is being said is incorrect. Even worse, you only choose to attack, instead of explain. Look back at your statement, only the first paragraph (2 lines) are dedicated to your side of the story. The other 26 lines are dedicated to behind the scenes information, damage control and future plans. In those two lines, you claim you have evidence, but you provide none.
So here we are. Ive been patient, I wanted to hear your story, but you didnt say anything. At all. Now, this is happening. People, including me, are drawing conclusions with the available information. Either way, I do blame you, because if and only if- you are in fact not guilty of anything, you do have yourself to blame for the consequences of your (in)actions and (lack of) statements.
Its been a really sad couple of days, watching this community fall apart. I dont know what will happen, if Im allowed to even say this without being banned, if the community will survive, but I can do one thing. After being approved, I started making gifs, because animating is my life. If this is my final message, I want it to end with one of my first animations, but updated to reflect this situation and how I feel it has been handled. Full circle. I do mean it when I say this: thanks for all the great years.
NeoGAF has never filtered community Discords where people can organize, play together and chat, but now they do, which is ridiculous, to say the least.
blanchot
Member
im thinking we have our wires crossed here. i am talking about reset e r a, they are apparently banning any discussion of neogaf. and EL. the reasons for its existence.
Liquid-San
Member
evil-bore,evil-bore.com, ********, ********.com, *******, *******.com
Edit: I see. Had no idea this was a thing lol. I can understand the original comment I replied to now.
"Don't be a dick" is a good moderation tenet, and it should be consistent at any site. Unfortunately, removing all topical discussion removes tho need to even meet opposing viewpoints halfway. In time, this forum will become as much of an echo chamber as it purports others to be. There is no such thing as a pure gaming forum, especially now, because doing so is implicitly casting its lot with a certain viewpoint.
Rushersauce
Banned
Are you fucking kidding me???? I may never get that pm, now :/.why can you only send 1 PM every 10 minutes?
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
that would reflect poorly on the person who chooses to judge based on where you speak and not what you actually have to say. I have no qualms dismissing such attempts. And I am very much in control of who receives ad revenue and support from my browsing habits.
"I am the cat who walks by himself and all places are alike to me."
Clockwork
Member
Oh, I thought that was going on here. Either way I don't see an issue. I can understand the reasoning either way.
Wolfgunblood Garopa
Member
I suppose. At the rate things were going, I can understand how it could be too much to handle in the middle of that chaos.
Will you stop beating around the bush and say what you want to say?
I thought the altsite was this one?
Interfectum
Member
That's probably because the forum is littered with Discord requests now. So not that ridiculous when taken within context to the current state of GAF.
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
I don't need to try, I've done this with multiple businesses and spaces. I use yelp before ordering, I pull up Amazon while inside Best Buy, and compare prices at the farmers market with other locations.
Skullface
Member
I would actually like to see a social forum that is essentially what GAF's OT was. I disagree with the great majority of people's opinions on GAF, though I never thought it was my responsibility, nor was I ever interested in changing minds. With that being said, I always felt like the vast majority of users were respectful in their exchanges with one another, in a way you certainly wouldn't see on GFAQs, 4chan, or even Reddit.
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metalslimer
Member
Trying to block people from sending discord links won't stop people from talking about it. It's another stupid thing that just makes things worse. Let the people who want to join other communities leave. That's the very least he owes people after destroying like half of this website at the very least and fracturing almost every community
Didn't realize you can "litter" PM inboxes, that's quite interesting, that sure would take a tole on the servers, having a link on a PM.
equippedwithtowel
Member
Raptomex
Member
But nothing is stopping them from leaving.
I have no idea what you want me to say, or expect me to say. I am someone gravely disappointed with what has happened, how it was handled, and how things are playing out. But I'm not going to leave and cede GAF to GG types. Make up your mind about how you want to proceed and follow through, the same as everyone else.
mattiewheels
And then the LORD David Bowie saith to his Son, Jonny Depp: 'Go, and spread my image amongst the cosmos. For every living thing is in anguish and only the LIGHT shall give them reprieve.'
I dont understand how we lost OT and political discussion as a result of the scandal. What do they have to do with each other?
It's best to just ask a mod directly.
On top of that PM's no longer allow links & have a 10 min timer, assumedly to shut down discord information sharing so people can hook up with their old communities, disappointing to see it coming to this.
It's best to ask a mod directly, probably. Ban-related things might be more important at the moment though, so who knows how long it takes.
For the moment? Lack of moderation.
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Air Zombie Meat
Member
Can't talk about sexual harassment if theres only a gaming forum. A genius plan thats really worked out well!
metalslimer
Member
Absolutely nothing. He used it as a scapegoat to deflect criticism away from himself and unsurprisingly because people had a huge beef with poligaf it actually worked
What mods? They are all anonymous now. You can't ask anyone.
People want to leave and go to the communities they have helped built all these years, but they can't leave if they can't get into the communities because Evilore is supressing any and every talk about them in any way, in such a way that people can't even invite others for game groups to organize matches and use voice chat.
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
Youve not been reading gaf long enough.
Skullface
Member
The answer is nothing. From the word go it felt like a weak deflection tactic in my opinion
Mr. Largehands
Neo Member
psychowave
Member
god bless our Great Leader!
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
To clarify one thing, links have been banned from Private Messages for a while. This is potentially a security feature. Either way, nothing stopping users from sharing emails in PMs and then taking discussion off site.
That's probably the best way to go, so whoever decides to remain and put up with the shenanigans here can at least have room to breathe outside all the migration talk. Then maybe the forum can go back to focusing on the underpinning of what most of this drama was inspired by besides the actions of its leader: to reclaim gaming from all the minority groups and interests that have "invaded MY hobby" in the last few years.
That's about all I have to say about that. Peace.
That's probably the best way to go, so whoever decides to remain and put up with the shenanigans here can at least have room to breathe outside all the migration talk. Then maybe the forum can go back to focusing on the underpinning of what most of this drama was inspired by besides the actions of its leader: to reclaim gaming from all the minority groups and interests that have "invaded MY hobby" in the last few years.
That's about all I have to say about that. Peace.
Camper Van Beethoven
Banned
:lol:
Edit: I guess you are right
Have you looked at the first page of this thread?
Jackben
bitch I'm taking calls.
For a while meaning, at least a year ago. I noticed when trying to organize something completely unrelated.
Illuminati.gif
I don't post much anymore, so I can't say if this is something that is periodically deactivated or not. The last time I tried was probably at least a year ago.
MrPressStart
Member
I just want to know where to go to talk to all of my old friends. I feel like I have lost a ton, and have no way to get it back.
I've gotten links via PMs several times over the last year.
Any Questions
Member
That's Hawaii.
they can take our name, but they will never take...our FREEDOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Temeculan3000
Member
This would look bad for any forum, but it looks worse for GAF since we have a reputation of standing up for women and banning sexist speak. Where those discussions became most heated was in OT. OT allowed GAF to appear much more political. This is why so many other sites are having a field day with the news. Removing OT is an attempt to prevent discussion of this and other controversial topics and get the board back to some sense of normalcy. Of course, not everyone will agree that it is the best move.
Lovely Salsa
Banned
OT became a complete mess once it was known the mods left.
Meifu
Member
Okay maybe a dumb question but...
Like evillore or not, why is the knee jerk reaction to take the allegations as true from the get go?
Shouldn't there be a stage of investigation and getting to the bottom of things? Seems like in this day and age, a woman can accuse a man of sexual assault, and whether he did it or not doesn't matter, the accusation enough is to condemn him.
Not saying these women are lying, but it's possible that some are for a quick buck. Sexual assault is horrible, but just because someone is accused of something, no matter how horrible, doesn't mean they did it.
I don't know the details, just seems like a knee jerk reaction alot of the time, and people wanting to condemn someone regardless of the validity of the info being provided. Smells like a lot of confirmation bias and people just waiting for a crusade to jump on as long g as it fits a certain narrative...
My observation as a casual member. I have no stake in this.
Like evillore or not, why is the knee jerk reaction to take the allegations as true from the get go?
Shouldn't there be a stage of investigation and getting to the bottom of things? Seems like in this day and age, a woman can accuse a man of sexual assault, and whether he did it or not doesn't matter, the accusation enough is to condemn him.
Not saying these women are lying, but it's possible that some are for a quick buck. Sexual assault is horrible, but just because someone is accused of something, no matter how horrible, doesn't mean they did it.
I don't know the details, just seems like a knee jerk reaction alot of the time, and people wanting to condemn someone regardless of the validity of the info being provided. Smells like a lot of confirmation bias and people just waiting for a crusade to jump on as long g as it fits a certain narrative...
My observation as a casual member. I have no stake in this.
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