Seeing as there are millions of phones out there and a few reports, I would say its either stupid or super unlucky.
"The thing about the iPhone 6 is that it just doesn't have problems"
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Seeing as there are millions of phones out there and a few reports, I would say its either stupid or super unlucky.
You're one of these people without a job who sits at home and pretends to have a job when really you just browsing reddit?
I know its hard for you to understand but I'm gonna make this really simple for you.
Money = good
Company making money = good
Company losing money = bad
You want to be the company that makes money, i.e. Apple.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
He's made the assumption that a thick layer of seething rage adds to his argument... rather than takes away all power from his argument and makes him an amusing figure suitable for our enjoyment.
You ever just read the Internet and think man, this shit is bananas
TekGryphon
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Oh. My. God.
You are not Apple. I am not Apple. No one here is Apple.
You are Apple's CUSTOMER.
You are not Company B. You are the CUSTOMER of Company B.
Do you not get this?
Oh shit sorry, I thought we were discussing the companies here and not the costumers. You can see how that's confusing seeing as you talked about company profits and so on.
TekGryphon
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It's amazing, but after all the consumer psychology courses, I never really had it click for me until now.
Watching an Apple users equate themselves with their company, to the point that Apple making huge profits by price-gouging them is somehow a good thing, just made everything click.
I need to email my old marketing professor and let him know I finally got it.
Why would that matter? This is a tech forum full of consumers, not a shareholder meeting. As a rational consumer you should have been FURIOUS to learn that Apple was making over 75% of the market's profits despite only selling 15% of the phones.
It made you HAPPY.
Watching an Apple users equate themselves with their company, to the point that Apple making huge profits by price-gouging them is somehow a good thing, just made everything click.
I need to email my old marketing professor and let him know I finally got it.
Why would that matter? This is a tech forum full of consumers, not a shareholder meeting. As a rational consumer you should have been FURIOUS to learn that Apple was making over 75% of the market's profits despite only selling 15% of the phones.
It made you HAPPY.
freenudemacusers
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ah it's been so long since we've had a good platform war
This is one of the greatest things I've ever seen in these fanboy wars. Kudos.
And this is a great second place!
Boombloxer
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Same here. The battery life is god tier.
I'll be here all week!
I'm not even sure what we're "discussing" at this point.
OP, buy an Android if you like to customize. If you just want a vanilla experience that works well, get the iPhone.
TekGryphon
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Messofanego
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I'll be here all week!
I'm not even sure what we're "discussing" at this point.
OP, buy an Android if you like to customize. If you just want a vanilla experience that works well, get the iPhone.
Hmm yeah leaning towards former. I'll test iPhone 6, HTC One M8, Note 4, Moto X at a shop and then make my decision.
adamsappel
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I'm firmly rooted in the Apple ecosystem. I don't care for Windows (I have it bootcamped on a couple of macs and I find it a pain to use), and my latest-and-greatest iPhone will get passed down to my wife and daughter, so I'm very unlikely to change. I have no major complaints with the 6+. I used to jailbreak, but the latest iOS meets my needs. I do think other phones can be cool, but have little desire to switch.
AstroNut325
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I've owned the following since the dawn of the smartphone age:
BlackBerry Storm
IPhone 3GS
Nokia Lumia 720
IPhone 5
LG Optimus F6
Moto X
After experiencing all the OSes and ecosystems... the iPhone wins hands down every time. The iPhone experience has been the most trouble free experience out of all the devices listed above.
The iPhone is worth the praise and the price.
BlackBerry Storm
IPhone 3GS
Nokia Lumia 720
IPhone 5
LG Optimus F6
Moto X
After experiencing all the OSes and ecosystems... the iPhone wins hands down every time. The iPhone experience has been the most trouble free experience out of all the devices listed above.
The iPhone is worth the praise and the price.
Of course. I'm just happy with the outcome. I'll discount my experience with the iPhone 5 since the battery was deemed faulty under the replacement program, but with the 5s, I'd probably average 24 hours on one charge and I'd be pretty worried to go out for a few hours with less than 35% battery left.
The 6 Plus has comfortably gotten me an average of 48 hours on a charge, ranging from 36 to 60 hours. I can go out with less than 20% left on the battery and I don't need to worry about it dying on me.
I disagree with you on it losing 10% battery with each major iOS update though. It's really heard to measure that on the most part, but my general impression is that it loses capacity as the charge cycles rack up, which is to be expected.
Apple sells their phones at a high margin and people buy it, the competition wish could get those type of margins. You can say that Apple's phones are overpriced (I think they are), but they are running a business and any business would want to have high margins that they can maintain. The android OEM's have limited avenues of differentiation between each other and that's why the margins are so low, Samsung was the only one to be able to command decent margins with their S and Note phones but that's disappearing now. There are a lot of Android phones that are steals at unlocked prices, but this is ultimately bad for the ecosystem of hardware companies. If larger OEM's can't make a decent profit in this market, they will eventually just leave it and all you'll be left with is smaller Chinese OEM's with low cost structures that can live off small margins.
TekGryphon
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All of this is true, but maintaining over 75% of the market's profits while selling only 15% of the units isn't just "high margins". It's the type of absurdity that completely changes the way we think of marketing and consumer psychology.
Guy LeDouche
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These cellphones are making me thirsty!
RandyBobandy
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Not having a micro SD slot is a major problem imo
NinjaMouse
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I've had iPhone since the first and certainly enjoy them, but I'll say that the iPhone really is fantastic, but it's iOS that's a POS. Ever since iOS 7, it's done nothing but turn into a buggy mess. iOS use to be as close to stable as one could expect.
Aquamarine
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i agree
screw apple's proprietary cables and lack of an expandable memory slot / removable battery
Well, the problem is that you're arguing two points at once:
- That Apple price gouges customers the only people who buy their products are clueless morons. (Customer-oriented)
- That's it's absurd that Apple makes the majority of the profits in the industry when they only have a fraction of the marketshare. (Business-oriented)
When people present a counter argument for one, you claim that you're talking about the other point.
On the first point, you fail to take into account the inherent value of software, easy of use and cohesiveness of a product and its accompanying ecosystems as a whole. You make hardware the the profit margin a company makes on hardware the be-all and end-all of the argument. Believe it or not, companies spend money making all that stuff work together for a good user experience as it adds value to the end product. A company who succeeds in doing so can have the luxury of charging customers more for that experience because consumers judge that it's worth paying more for it.
The smartphone industry is incredibly competitive and fierce and the moment, if consumers don't see the value of one product over other, they'll vote with their wallets. As I've said before, people are not stupid as you take them for. Most of them make reasonably informed decisions based on their needs and their previous experience with a particular company's products. Apple would not have the high attach rate of return customers that it currently enjoys if it's products were substandard.
On the second point, you make it sound as if having 15% of the smartphone market means Apple should reasonably expect only 15% of the industry's profits. Sorry, it doesn't work that way. Apple primarily targets the high end of the market, and the profit margins are higher there for all manufacturers. If there was a graph of Samsung's profits on low end devices vs the high end compared to the amount of units sold in each segment, you'll find a huge discrepancy on the profits per unit on the low end vs the high end. That should be obvious.
Apple doesn't competes on the low end at all, so naturally they only have a fraction of the marketshare of units sold. It's not what the segment they target because they don't see the value in it, so I can't really say how much their marketshare would change if they were to target the low-end segment. A more fitting comparison is to compare Apple's marketshare in the high-end segment only. You'll probably see that Apple has a much larger marketshare more in line with their lion's share of industry profits, while Samsung comes in second with everyone else trailing far behind.
You make it sound like it's Apple's fault that the majority of the players in the industry are making a loss, let along barely turning a profit. if you analyse each of those player's products, marketing, etc it becomes clear that why their strategies are failing and Apple and Samsung are control industry profits.
TLDR: I don't the expect you to last long in business school if your paper on why Apple has been successful is basically "People are morons who happily give Apple money for substandard products."
Mammoth Jones
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Yep.
TekGryphon
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I graduated years ago.
But here's a neat experiment for you. Take a glance at the case studies used in any MBA course. You'll see numerous Apple cases.
None of them are used in Finance. None of them are used in Operations. None of them are used in Organizational Tactics. None of them are used in Strategic Management.
The one place you'll find Apple case studies being used in MBA programs is in the Consumer Psychology courses.
Because Apple isn't interesting for its management, its production, its products, or its supply chains. It's interesting because of its consumers.
The Faceless Master
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what the hell is going on in this thread?
OP, get the Note 4.
buuuuuut, if you REALLY ABSOLUTELY MUST have every single mobile game ever available to you on day 1, get the iPhone. just know that sea salt tastes better, but is less healthy. something something iodone.
OP, get the Note 4.
buuuuuut, if you REALLY ABSOLUTELY MUST have every single mobile game ever available to you on day 1, get the iPhone. just know that sea salt tastes better, but is less healthy. something something iodone.
Has it ever crossed your mind that the consumers you so nonchalantly call idiots have access to and understand the same information you do, but instead of demonizing Apple have arrived at the conclusion that their products are actually worth the price?
Junior Mint
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If it doesn't exist in an MBA business case, it's not true!!!!!!
Messofanego
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I don't know, I'm just scrolling past all that fighting since it's completely unrelated to what I'm interested in but thanks for the recommendation on Note 4.
Nope, I got an Apple case studies in Innovation and e-commerce, and Value Creation and Management. Granted I didn't feel the need to continue my studies and move on to an MBA, But I'd wager that Apple isn't a focus of operations, strategic management, etc because they are incredibly secretive and don't really let out that sort of information for there to be much to make a case study upon. But they are known to be excellent at managing supply chain and inventory and guess what, that helps with turning a profit.
Have an iPhone 6+ (128 GB).
GREAT phone. Was worried that I wouldn't have the ability to use it with one hand but the "double tap for reachability" feature makes it possible. Great screen and the battery life is amazing -- Can easily go two days without charging; Can sometimes reach three days.
Overall, I think the iPhone 6+ perfects the iOS experience mainly due to its great battery life. The bigger screen doesn't hurt either though.
GREAT phone. Was worried that I wouldn't have the ability to use it with one hand but the "double tap for reachability" feature makes it possible. Great screen and the battery life is amazing -- Can easily go two days without charging; Can sometimes reach three days.
Overall, I think the iPhone 6+ perfects the iOS experience mainly due to its great battery life. The bigger screen doesn't hurt either though.
Bitmap Frogs
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It's always amusing how this kind of thread derailing and massive aggression gets you banned on gaming side really fast but in off topic it's fine to call other gaf'ers morons.
TekGryphon
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iTunes? I seem to remember that one.
I should have clarified I was speaking specifically about the smartphone environment. Apple did some amazing things getting the music industry online, even if they did hold onto the model for too long.
There's insults from all sides, precious. At least in this discussion we're mixing it with actual data.
If it's offending you, there's an iOS community thread you can retreat to.
No phone is without problems. The iPhone 6 is, by all accounts, a great phone, but it's still an iPhone. That in itself can be viewed as a flaw, depending on what you want out of your phone. I ditched Apple because I wanted to do things that my iPhone couldn't do. And yeah, my new phone has problems, too, despite being at or near the top of practically all of the "best phones you can buy" lists around the 'net.
adamsappel
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It's always fun to make a post at the end of page one before reading to the end of the thread. Boy, that escalated quickly.
It's worth $5 to me to have a charging cord that is reversible and I never, ever have to check its orientation when I plug it in. In fact, it would be worth $37 to me, if that were the only option.
It's worth $5 to me to have a charging cord that is reversible and I never, ever have to check its orientation when I plug it in. In fact, it would be worth $37 to me, if that were the only option.
I can't really compare mine to Android phones, I only have one Android device, the Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5, it's supposed to be a recent version of Android with a powerful CPU but the OS is jankier than my crusty old iPad 3. Rotating the screen takes too long and it's all just a bit janky.
Can you make a single post without being condescending? Someone doesn't have to be an iOS user to get irritated by your constant attacks on people who buy things you don't like.
Wow.
Salt shaker example is terrible since there's nothing in the comparison that you can use for OS preference. The difference in salt shakers is strictly the way they are built.
Someone's invested in the phone warz -- hilarious sense of superiority you have there (i.e.: "art majors..." & "absolute moron"). Pitiful.
Don't really think it's offending anyone. People simply find it surprising that you lack the ability to have a discussion about smartphones/smartphone preference without sounding like a jerk.
No, because that's not what he believes. He's just as thoroughly brainwashed as the Apple Faithful, just in the opposite direction.
Jazzy Network
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Man I love phone wars. People get so serious.
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The iPhone 6 Plus running the latest version of iOS 8 has bugs every step of the way.
I am still confident its the best experience available right now but whoa boy its a little underbaked.
I am still confident its the best experience available right now but whoa boy its a little underbaked.
TekGryphon
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This is an Apple thread. Where 500 ppi is less than 330 ppi, a fixed battery is preferable to a removable battery, double-price peripherals are fine, limited storage is great, and where we identify with the company to the point that Apple making 75%+ of the profits with less than 15% of the unit sales is good.
Condescending is the only way to cut through the religious-tier bullshit. My posts aren't mean to convince brand zealots to do basic technical comparisons. They're for observers who've heard Apple's hype but aren't certain if its real or not.
Plenty of others are using the same insults and same attitude. You don't see me whining about them, do you? It's always the guys without a platform to stand on that cry the loudest about the debate style.
What problems are you coming across?
iOS 8 has a few problems on my iPad 4 but I haven't had any problems with it on my 6+.
freenudemacusers
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Stop making Android users look bad.
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