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[Carton]

A yellow card for stalling, top or bottom, isn't a simple warning. It's a percentage off your purse and the equivalent of a mixed martial cattle prod. Problem solved.

I know. My argument was not against yellow cards, but rather stand ups.

I feel stand ups and poor judging result in bad ground fights. Stands up for the aforementioned reasons, and bad judging because active bottom fighters are often not rewarded, but rather the points are given to the guy playing it safe on top.

Stand ups => inactive bottom fighters
Bad judging => inactive top fighters

 

[Heel]

I know. My argument was not against yellow cards, but rather stand ups.

I feel stand ups and poor judging result in bad ground fights. Stands up for the aforementioned reasons, and bad judging because active bottom fighters are often not rewarded, but rather the points are given to the guy playing it safe on top.

Stand ups => inactive bottom fighters
Bad judging => inactive top fighters

Don't disagree with you. The unified rules and scoring are pretty broken and honed to reward a boring performance.

Nick is advocating a rule set that rewards damage over takedowns, requires action from the top and bottom, and most importantly promotes an exciting fight. I don't think anyone can say that's a bad thing.

 

[polyh3dron]

Don't disagree with you. The unified rules and scoring are pretty broken and honed to reward a boring performance.

Nick is advocating a rule set that rewards damage over takedowns, requires action from the top and bottom, and most importantly promotes an exciting fight. I don't think anyone can say that's a bad thing.

GSP fans can say its a bad thing

Athletes that take full advantage of the system can say "This is mixed martial arts, you want a toughman contest, this was never that except when it was, and what is PRIDE? go elsewhere"

Diaz doesn't hate the ground game, he hates when people are not trying to finish the fight on the ground and are stalling for points.

 

[Carton]

Don't disagree with you. The unified rules and scoring are pretty broken and honed to reward a boring performance.

Nick is advocating a rule set that rewards damage over takedowns, requires action from the top and bottom, and most importantly promotes an exciting fight. I don't think anyone can say that's a bad thing.

Yep, i certainly agree.

I also think the fights either need a global damage score, or the judges use a more sensitive point scale. Two very close rounds to fighter A, should be nullified by a solidly dominant 3rd round by fighter B, yet too often they are each scored 10-9, which only encourages a fighter to try and coast it out in the final round after they've presumably gotten the slight nod in the first two rounds.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Good night guys. And just in case, happy birthday.

 

[iLLmAtlc]

I don't know why people don't take Nick's arguments about the scoring more seriously. The judging right now IS favoured towards the wrestler which is generally less entertaining for fans. Having to change rules because athletes are getting too good at taking advantage of them while decreasing entertainment value is nothing new -- the NHL went after the clutching and grabbing in 2005 and the sport is much more entertaining now. The NFL also went after interference to add more passing, I don't watch the NFL as closely as the NHL so I can't say for certain whether it's been better.

 

[Heel]

Athletes that take full advantage of the system can say "This is mixed martial arts, you want a toughman contest, this was never that except when it was, and what is PRIDE? go elsewhere"

lol

Yep, i certainly agree.

I also think the fights either need a global damage score, or the judges use a more sensitive point scale. Two very close rounds to fighter A, should be nullified by a solidly dominant 3rd round by fighter B, yet too often they are each scored 10-9, which only encourages a fighter to try and coast it out the final round when they've presumably gotten the slight nod in the first two rounds.

Yeah...PRIDE scored the fight as a whole, not round to round. Makes sense to me. No coasting.

I'm not even saying GSP can't beat Nick under a better rule set, but GSP has mastered the current one and it has led to some snoozers. I'd love to see GSP in a fight where he's at risk of losing $100k to a yellow card and actually forced to do more than drag dudes around the mat.

If fighters commit the following actions, they shall be given a yellow card by officials: Stalling or failure to initiate any offensive attack, making no attempt to finalize the match or damage the opponent, and holding the opponent's body with the arms and legs to produce a stalemate.

 

[THRILLH0]

Tonight categorically proved that there isn't a ruleset or scoring system in existence under which Nick could beat GSP.

 

[Heel]

Tonight categorically proved that there isn't a ruleset or scoring system in existence under which Nick could beat GSP.

We can start with no time limits. That actually requires a finish.

 

[BigJonsson]

Fight to the death

 

[strobogo]

They need to get new judges that actually understand MMA first. Then they can work on getting the rules changed. Every show has one or two fights that have total wtf scores because they judges didn't actually know what was going on in the fight.

 

[polyh3dron]

The worst fallacy I get when I bring up this rule thing is they tell me I want to see Tank Abbott vs Scott Ferrozo or some shit and I don't like real MMA.

 

[TrumanBurbank]

I really hope Nick Diaz gets some help. Dude seems like his life is a complete mess. Not to mention I feel a lot of people must be taking advantage of him.

 

[polyh3dron]

Nick's next fight is vs. Irwin R. Shyster

 

[Ash_69]

Nick Diaz' famous last words "JOE ROGAN LADIES AND GENTLEMEN!"

Lmfao! The random awkwardness of this dude is hilarious. Against the grain of this thread, I thought Georges fought fairly aggressively. Diaz despite losing is a game mofo and never gave him a clear chance to finish and that's what Georges needs.

 

[Skunkers]

Nick Diaz needs help. No sane person admits to tax evasion at a press conference

Yeah, I think if the IRS catches wind of that, Nick Diaz will agree that that was one of the stupidest moves he has ever made...

 

[Haunted]

Hendricks bringing it! Awesome fight with him and Condit, definitely FotN.


Embarrassing main event, super boring for all five rounds, Diaz completely outclassed by GSP. What was Diaz even doing there, letting himself get dominated for 25 minutes like that.

 

[HEALTH_DISCO]

GSP is Quebecois isti, he could finish a poutine dans 5 minutes.

Ohh merci de m'avoir fait craché mon café par le nez !!

 

[JB1981]

Lmfao! The random awkwardness of this dude is hilarious. Against the grain of this thread, I thought Georges fought fairly aggressively. Diaz despite losing is a game mofo and never gave him a clear chance to finish and that's what Georges needs.

First time I have ever seen Nick backing up. Nick always presses forward and controls the center. That was not the case last night. And George outstriked him on his feet. Nick ate stiff lefts all night. George completely threw him off his game.

I was also surprised to see how tired George was by round 3. Never seen him look up at the clock so often. I think he blew his load first 2 rounds

 

[charsace]

knees to a downed fighter would make fights more exciting. no need for any other changes just add that.

 

[Midas]

I don't know why people don't take Nick's arguments about the scoring more seriously. The judging right now IS favoured towards the wrestler which is generally less entertaining for fans. Having to change rules because athletes are getting too good at taking advantage of them while decreasing entertainment value is nothing new -- the NHL went after the clutching and grabbing in 2005 and the sport is much more entertaining now. The NFL also went after interference to add more passing, I don't watch the NFL as closely as the NHL so I can't say for certain whether it's been better.

Interesting post!

 

[Hunter S.]

knees to a downed fighter would make fights more exciting. no need for any other changes just add that.

They are not changing a thing the popularity of the sport has been rising for a long time and wrestling is becoming more important for all fighters.

 

[Tabris]

I feel kind of bad for Nick Diaz. He's obviously gotta be mentally challenged in some way.

 

[Fersis]

mhmh i didnt watch the fight just read some post conference stuf so...
Did he retired, challenged Anderson Silva and asked for a rematch in 5 minutes of conference?

 

[Skeyser]

They are not changing a thing the popularity of the sport has been rising for a long time and wrestling is becoming more important for all fighters.

Pretty sure it'd be even more popular if there was a little less wrestle fucking

 

[Noirulus]

mhmh i didnt watch the fight just read some post conference stuf so...
Did he retired, challenged Anderson Silva and asked for a rematch in 5 minutes of conference?

Pretty much.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

They are not changing a thing the popularity of the sport has been rising for a long time and wrestling is becoming more important for all fighters.

The popularity of the sport has pretty much plateaued. It's not really growing. That's why Dana got desperate and jumped on the Ronda bandwagon.

 

[GungHo]

The popularity of the sport has pretty much plateaued. It's not really growing. That's why Dana got desperate and jumped on the Ronda bandwagon.

It's saturated to the point that I don't think adding shit like knees would help. Yellow Carding for wrestlefucking might make it better for some folks, but I really think they're going to get a significant rise in viewership with anything. The best they can hope for now is to break into markets where they're not already widely viewed overseas.

 

[charsace]

It's saturated to the point that I don't think adding shit like knees would help. Yellow Carding for wrestlefucking might make it better for some folks, but I really think they're going to get a significant rise in viewership with anything. The best they can hope for now is to break into markets where they're not already widely viewed overseas.

Knees to down opponents would make fights more exciting. Guys would open up more in the striking instead of hesitating because of the take down. On the ground there would be more action in positions where guys mostly stall. It just too easy for grapplers to grind you when there isn't a threat of knees.

 

[TheNatural]

The popularity of the sport has pretty much plateaued. It's not really growing. That's why Dana got desperate and jumped on the Ronda bandwagon.

Fighting is fighting. It's never going to become like a team sport, because your favorite fighter doesn't fight on a weekly basis. Boxing has been around a century and even then, Muhammad Ali and the Vietnam War stuff was the only time they had someone transcend it into the mainstream really. Maybe Tyson a little bit.

 

[dem]

Gsp may not be exciting... But he isn't the problem either.

If you can't stop him from taking you down you're gonna lose. He stays busy enough and he made Nick look like a bitch on the ground. End of story.
Georges looks like he's slowing down a bit though. Hendricks may have a shot of forcing Georges into trading with him.


BJJers... Where is your god now?

 

[Chamber]

lI'm not even saying GSP can't beat Nick under a better rule set, but GSP has mastered the current one and it has led to some snoozers. I'd love to see GSP in a fight where he's at risk of losing $100k to a yellow card and actually forced to do more than drag dudes around the mat.

GSP would never get stood up or yellow carded for inactivity. Ridiculous post and typical of sports entertainment-gaf.

 

[Maklershed]

Get your shit together, Heel!

 

[TheNatural]

GSP really is the Wladimir Klitschko of MMA. Kill you with a jab, throw in some takedowns and ground work, never put himself in a bad position to get hurt. I wouldn't put it on Fitch level or anything, but it's really not that entertaining to watch, because GSP never takes a risk to get a finish. He even said it after the fight, Diaz gave him his back several times and he refused to take it because of some chance Diaz could grab a leg or something.

 

[dem]

Btw anyone who bought Nicks wolf tickets going into this fight had to be a complete fucking mma noob.


There is a reason they don't let nick fight wrestlers.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

GSP really is the Wladimir Klitschko of MMA. Kill you with a jab, throw in some takedowns and ground work, never put himself in a bad position to get hurt. I wouldn't put it on Fitch level or anything, but it's really not that entertaining to watch, because GSP never takes a risk to get a finish. He even said it after the fight, Diaz gave him his back several times and he refused to take it because of some chance Diaz could grab a leg or something.

Klitchsko actually finishes fights every once in a while though.

 

[TheNatural]

Klitchsko actually finishes fights every once in a while though.

That's more of the fact Heavyweight boxing is on World Series of Fighting level challengers. I would give Diaz and Condit a little more respect than say, Tony Thompson and Jean-Marc Mormeck.

Maybe the UFC should feed GSP an old ass BJ and Hughes so he can get a couple of finishes.

 

[alr1ght]

Maybe the UFC should feed GSP an old ass BJ and Hughes so he can get a couple of finishes.

That's what Nick was.

 

[charsace]

That's more of the fact Heavyweight boxing is on World Series of Fighting level challengers. I would give Diaz and Condit a little more respect than say, Tony Thompson and Jean-Marc Mormeck.

Maybe the UFC should feed GSP an old ass BJ and Hughes so he can get a couple of finishes.

Nick was taylor made for zzzSP to finish. Nick was helpless unlike Condit who had him in danger. And GSP still couldn't finish. GSP is a great fighter, but no way should anyone rank him higher than Anderson or Bones.

 

[strikeselect]

Aside from Vitor and Hendo, who has Anderson really beaten? Travis Lutter? Patrick Cote? Chris Leben? Rich Franklin? Stephan Bonnar?

The thing with Anderson is that he finishes people so impressively you forget how mediocre the level of his competition is.

 

[charsace]

Aside from Vitor and Hendo, who has Anderson really beaten? Travis Lutter? Patrick Cote? Chris Leben? Rich Franklin? Stephan Bonnar?

The thing with Anderson is that he finishes people so impressively you forget how mediocre the level of his competition is.

lol you high?
Anderson beat Forrest, SonnenX2, Rich Franklin, and Maia. Say what you want but wins against those guys are impressive. Anderson broke Forrest who was a LHW champ at one point and was making his way back to another title shot when Anderson shattered his psyche.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Aside from Vitor and Hendo, who has Anderson really beaten? Travis Lutter? Patrick Cote? Chris Leben? Rich Franklin? Stephan Bonnar?

The thing with Anderson is that he finishes people so impressively you forget how mediocre the level of his competition is.

Everyone who hangs around as champ that long is eventually going to be fighting nothing but cans. The divisions are too top heavy to avoid that. It's not like GSP is fighting world beaters either.

 

[TheNatural]

Aside from Vitor and Hendo, who has Anderson really beaten? Travis Lutter? Patrick Cote? Chris Leben? Rich Franklin? Stephan Bonnar?

The thing with Anderson is that he finishes people so impressively you forget how mediocre the level of his competition is.

Everyone is a can when you break it down. Franklin, Griffin, Hendo, Vitor, and Sonnen tops most current champs resumes. I'm sure once Anderson beats Weidman, it will be considered a worthless win right after he does it as well.

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Everyone is a can when you break it down. Franklin, Griffin, Hendo, Vitor, and Sonnen tops most current champs resumes. I'm sure once Anderson beats Weidman, it will be considered a worthless win right after he does it as well.

Everyone is a can waiting to get crushed.

 

[TheNatural]

LOL @ this too:

MONTREAL -- American welterweight Nick Diaz says he has never paid taxes.

The revelation came after he talked about how poor his preparations were for UFC 158, a lopsided loss to champion Georges St-Pierre on Saturday night at the Bell Centre. Diaz was asked whether he was considering changing fight camps.

"I can't be jumping teams. I just have to invest a little bit more, now that I have a little bit more money," the 29-year-old from Stockton, Calif., said. "You know what? I've never paid taxes in my life. I'm probably going to go to jail.

"Nobody wants to hear about that, nobody wants to hear that kind of talk or what's really going on with me," he said. "I might as well as be a kid. I've had fight after fight after fight after fight. You don't know what that does to somebody that didn't graduate high school? You don't understand."

http://espn.go.com/mma/story/_/id/9062213/ufc-158-nick-diaz-loss-says-pay-taxes-jail-probable

Welp, GSP didn't finish him, but the IRS will.

 

[The Hermit]

I don't know what fight GAF was watching. Hendricks won that fight plain and simply. If it was a five rounder, Condit would have won.

That's pretty much how I see it... loved that fight though!

#teambeard

 

[JB1981]

Nick sounded so demoralized after that loss. I actually feel bad for the guy.

 

[Heel]

Gsp may not be exciting... But he isn't the problem either.

If you can't stop him from taking you down you're gonna lose. He stays busy enough and he made Nick look like a bitch on the ground. End of story.

This is victim blaming and I'm pretty sure that's bannable.

GSP would never get stood up or yellow carded for inactivity. Ridiculous post and typical of sports entertainment-gaf.

So wrong it hurts.

AKSHUN!

 

[Impeccable]

GSP under Pride rules would kick ass with knees to the ground.

Diaz had nothing, unsurprisingly.

 

[Tabris]

The simple fact of the matter, GSP doesn't need to finish fights.

He researches the fighters he's facing and presents them a challenge that they can't handle, and then just wears them out over 5 rounds. If they have a great boxer, he fights them at kick boxing range and takes them down to the ground to ground & pound with elbows. If they are amazing wrestlers, he works on his take down defence and keeps them against the cages so they can't shoot.

The only reason he got hurt today was in the 3rd round when Nick kept on calling him a pussy and he decided to stand up for a while. And even then, I don't think he was really hurt, he just bruises easily nowadays it seems.

Honestly, I think his fights are still really good to watch. I love a technical ground game though or how GSP presents a challenge for his opponents.

Also bad example Heel, that was 20 seconds left to go in the 5th round. Most people don't do anything at the end of a 5th round when you're in the lead.

What's wrong with a points victory if it's technical and active? This thinking is why Wrestling is no longer an olympic sport.