Tabris, are you Canadian? GSP's performances are why wrestling is no longer an Olympic sport.
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Tabris, are you Canadian? GSP's performances are why wrestling is no longer an Olympic sport.
Impeccable
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That's what matters, obviously.
That is patently false. Say what you want about Gsp's style but there is not a single fighter out there with a more impressive resume of fighters than him. 170 has always been one of the deepest divisions and Gsp keeps cleaning out the contenders.
Wow the "kid" is a mess. I feel bad for Nate too....
Phat Michael
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well I predicted GSP by UD. like I did the last 4 or 5 of his fights. same old shit every time.
promises of "dont blink" or beat downs. then jab jab jab takedown, half guard gnp, no sub attempts and as soon as he gets lit up, takedown again. rinse and repeat.
they need to change his nickname ffs. its been about 4 years since his last finish right? BJ Penn?
promises of "dont blink" or beat downs. then jab jab jab takedown, half guard gnp, no sub attempts and as soon as he gets lit up, takedown again. rinse and repeat.
they need to change his nickname ffs. its been about 4 years since his last finish right? BJ Penn?
I couldn't agree more.
His poorly hidden nationalism and GSP fandom would go a long way to explaining his rationalization of GSP's clearly boring game planning.
There's something wrong with this sport when your corner is actively telling you to "hold his legs". Jon Fitch, Clay Guida and the like are the bane of this sport and I don't know how it can be argued. Wrestling and grappling can be entertaining, but it shouldn't be an end-game. It should lead to active, damaging ground and pound and submissions. If not, stand them up to fight.
This is ridiculous. It's not a modern gladiator, no matter what the branding / intro tells you. It's a sport. Evolve your thinking a bit
Until you do, MMA won't be recognized as a serious sport.
How about I change your nickname, playboy? Instead of Phat Michael, you can be Salty Michael. HUH?!
Phat Michael
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do you actually like watching GSP fight? im not saying hes not a great athlete..but firas sahabi and greg jackson have just ruined his killer instinct. its all game plans and minimising risk now. is it smart? sure. is it exciting? hell no.
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Not sure how anyone not trying to make a point can say GSP has been exceedingly boring in his last two fights. Condit fight was great and the Diaz fight was okay.
Also not sure how you can "stand 'em up" when GSP and Diaz were scrambling for most of the fight. Makes the whole argument against GSP being boring moot.
Almost half of the fight took place on the feet where GSP picked apart "the superior" boxer at all times except the brief flurry in round three.
You can't be upset, mad or angry when the vast majority of fighters are active. If you come up with a list of all the fighters who are entertaining and line them up against this fictional(large) list of "wrestlers and grapplers" ruining the sport the proof will be in the list.
The only fight of his I was bored by was the Shields fight. Georges is a technician and I like seeing him go to work. The Condit fight was excellent and only recently became boring in hindsight. What can you do, playboy?
Modern GSP fans have rationalized and apologized for his performances to the point where they actually pretend that stifling a guy for 25 minutes is entertaining. Quit bullshitting yourselves. I know you wish GSP would get in a dudes guard and blast away with power shots and try to put a dude's head through the canvas. I know deep down you wish GSP was half as entertaining as he used to be.
Ask Chamber, I used to actually like GSP. Then I got tired of apologizing. The thrill is gone for GSP. His budo spirit has been broken.
GSP's fights are only exciting as his opponents these days.
Condit fight was only "great" because GSP got hit with one kick, Diaz fight was only "okay" because he was actively trying to roll for submissions while GSP would be content to lay there and hold on for dear life. There's actually a point in the fight where Diaz is on all fours attempting to climb away while GSP attempts to drag him down and shuck him to the canvas. Enough said.
It's like saying Jon Fitch had an exciting fight with Erick Silva. No, Erick Silva is an exciting fighter.
B For Bendetta
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Someone needs to put together a GSP highlight reel of him laying on dudes
There is a reason that all promo vids for his last few fights have only had highlights from his pre-2008 fights.
Like I said earlier, it's not like I don't think GSP couldn't beat Nick under a different rule set. It's just that he is allowed to exploit the current one and be boring. At the end of the day we're here to be entertained.
It's bigger than Nick Diaz. His opinions on the current unified rule set are prophetic. One day we'll all look back and say, "Nick was right all along."
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I would personally argue that GSP's opponents are so focused on training how to survive on the ground that they are able to. Honestly, the top of the pack at welter weight is fucking loaded beyond belief. There is no questioning the strength of the division.
When you're constantly fighting the best of the best things are going to nullify and make it difficult for fighters who don't have that one hit knock out power to finish anyone.
Give GSP the kind of competition some of his equals in the P4P list have had and I personally think we see a different story all together.
I guess I'm not surprised people can't look at things objectively when it comes to sports. Allegedly we have wrestlers and grapplers ruining the sport of MMA but only see three listed and I'd argue GSP certainly doesn't belong on the list. I don't get it. Between here and Sherdog I don't even understand.
Edit: Also, Hendricks needs to get some cardio quick if he thinks he can beat GSP. He's already lucky as fuck Condit wasn't a five rounder.
Great breakdown of the 3 main fights last night. Diaz couldn't 'andle the riddum
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1570615-ufc-158-st-pierre-vs-diaz-the-jack-slack-breakdown
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1570615-ufc-158-st-pierre-vs-diaz-the-jack-slack-breakdown
I remember this happening several times, but then again GSP fights become a blur in my mind before they're even finished these days.
I like watching GSP too. What makes him boring is that you can see he's superior to his opponent, but doesn't try to finish. That makes him zzzSP. He has no intention ever finishing a fight, ever.
You don't pay attention when he fights do you? The only thing him and Kos have in common is their wrestling base. Hendricks has much better footwork than Kos and brings the fight instead of trying to counter punch because Hendricks is confident in his striking. He beat Condit to the punch a lot in the first 2 rounds to start engagements and that's with a height and reach disadvantage.
Bingo. Watch his older fights and he outclasses his opponents and goes in for the finish.
Now that Fitch is gone, GSP is the only top 10 WW who's consistently involved in decisions. He's the top dog, shouldn't he be having an easier time finishing opponents than the other guys?
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No, because by the time contenders get weeded out he's always fighting the cream of the crop who then go on to learn 'how not to get stopped by GSP' and pull off that strategy really well?
GSP doesn't have one hit KO power. He's going to have a harder time finishing the best of the best on that fact alone.
Exactly. I believe GSP could finish fights if he wanted to. He would rather just play it safe and smart to rake in the dough and prevent brain damage. It makes his fights predictable, which in turn makes them boring. I don't blame the guy at all. I'll still watch his fights but for my own personal entertainment I'd rather watch Condit or somebody else more willing to take risks for big rewards.
grosvenor_92
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I'm watching a video of the fight right now and I know some people don't like GSP not knocking guys out but he doesn't really need to. Also the guys he fought the last couple fights aren't known for being knocked out really so why try to knock a dude out when you can take him down and ground and pound your way to victory.
It may not be as entertaining to watch but he's getting the job done.
Also Diaz hasn't really done much, mind you he's been fighting off his back for most of the fight. So far he's only landed a few shots and most of those were close to the end of the third round.
It may not be as entertaining to watch but he's getting the job done.
Also Diaz hasn't really done much, mind you he's been fighting off his back for most of the fight. So far he's only landed a few shots and most of those were close to the end of the third round.
GSP's cream of the crop mysteriously gets finished after he's done dryhumping them: Alves 1x, Hardy 2x, Kos 1x, Shields 1x...only 1 of those stoppages resulted from punches by guy with one hit KO power btw. The excessive humping must break the budo spirit..
I'm not one of these guys who thought the Condit fight was "same old GSP". In fact I thought that was the best GSP performances in years, and I said as much on the night of the fight. He came out looking different, it looked like he had a fire that we hadn't seen in a while.
My problem with the Nick fight is similar to what Dana has said about boxing. "I'd get all fired up for the fight Saturday night and when the fight starts the two guys would chase each other around. They did it to me again."
In this fight there was clearly pre-fight animosity and GSP SHOULD have been looking to make a statement and win the fight big. But it became quite clear to me yesterday that he was content to win on the scorecards, even when they were striking he wouldn't throw more than one strike at a time it seems.
My problem with the Nick fight is similar to what Dana has said about boxing. "I'd get all fired up for the fight Saturday night and when the fight starts the two guys would chase each other around. They did it to me again."
In this fight there was clearly pre-fight animosity and GSP SHOULD have been looking to make a statement and win the fight big. But it became quite clear to me yesterday that he was content to win on the scorecards, even when they were striking he wouldn't throw more than one strike at a time it seems.
dream
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Good thing there are many other ways to finish a fight in Ultimate Fighting, I guess.
Remember the time Rush sprinted from the cage and started drilling armbars right after the Outlaw Dan fight? I wonder why he hasn't shown us the fruits of his labor.
Condit got popped in the jaw multiple times by Hendricks and did not go down, indeed did not flinch really yet people give GSP shit about not finishing him.
In this fight, he also did not "lay" on Diaz, he was moving constantly and working constantly and he completely owned Diaz in every way.
Again I am not a big GSP fan, but some of the comments are kind of just unfounded
In this fight, he also did not "lay" on Diaz, he was moving constantly and working constantly and he completely owned Diaz in every way.
Again I am not a big GSP fan, but some of the comments are kind of just unfounded
Master Thespian
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This is why looking at current GSP hurts so much.
Ninja Scooter
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Gaze into the eyes of the man who changed the course of MMA history forever
Yes, "laying" is definitely underselling GSP's performance. Sometimes he rode him from the left, sometimes from the right...he might've even performed an oil check at some stage. Diaz got completely owned and yet George was humble enough to apologize for is pirformance, what a sportsman.
Impeccable
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GSP opponents train to be on the ground and therefore train hard on submission defensive and work on scrambling to their feet and not leaving openings.
It's not like because you say "Working on my armbars" means he's going to come over and blast out 5 submission wins in a row, it means that if the opportunity presents itself he'll have better technique.
Jaladinozozo
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So there's talk that Ceaser Gracia is putting Diaz in a Mike Tyson/Don King type situation and that is why Diaz is always talking about money problems. He should really gtfo out of Stockton and find a new camp plus mindset. If he had been stuffing take downs in the first few rounds the way he was in the later ones it could have been a different fight.
Technosteve
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when the fighters get to that level, they aren't there to tko the guy. they are there to win.
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Tell that to Anderson and Bones. Johnny especially, has a similar size/strength advantage over his division that Georges has, and could wrestle his way to easy decisions but almost always (other than the Shad fight) looks to go for the kill.
Jest Chillin
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Categorically untrue. While a lot of the fighters doen't bear any ill will towards their opponents.. this isn't light contact point fighting. They are trying to swell, bruise, cut, and break their opponent to stop them. GSP likes to play this good guy role where he doesn't want to hurt his opponent and that's fine for him but it's bad for the sport because it's not entertaining. In combat sports you have to strike with conviction and put your opponent in as much pain as possible to sub them. If fighters would rather play patty cake with striking and lay on guys to win the decision they're in the wrong sport.
Well he and his brother have about three IQ points split between them, so I can imagine that they are very easy to manipulate.
It definitely is shitty if true because they also do not strike me as the types that have alot of fallback options. (Which could explain the quick turn around in mentality last night)
Ninja Scooter
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I am thinking that they have put all of their eggs in one basket and taken alot of advice from alot of people and not all of it was good and probably did not focus alot on degrees and 401k
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