Bits N Pieces
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Its all going down at Freedom Square, lol
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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Its all going down at Freedom Square, lol
Carl2291
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Hahaha that's right. Straight to it.
Someone doesn't like the EU, the first order of the day is to shout xenophobia.
Jesus fucking Christ. It's like you've literally learned fuck all from this referendum. Stop calling people names for having different opinions.
LoL coming from a french this is really something
You do know we live in the year 2016, right?
Not happening thankfully.
Show them the video where one of the guys behind Leave backpedaled the NHS option hours after it passed.
Let them realize they were bamboozled.
geordiemp
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And these guys dont make the big decisions anyway, thats Merkel and probably France. The rest can huff and puff all they want...so what ?
They got a significantly rough deal from their ex supporters. They used a minority vote to get some of their policies through and block others (people forget this so easily) by forming a coalition government,
Their supporters were angry with having been given more of a democratic voice than they otherwise would, and punished them for it.
Logic. How does it work? I voted for them again /because/ they'd done a good job in coalition.
SmoothOperator
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I'm french with African roots and would glady leave the EU in a heartbeat : Does that make an ignorant racist xenophobic bigot ?
Things are not that simple : I bet you wouldn't said the same if some kind of obscur organization was dictating every do's and don'ts of your country beyond what the people has voted and elected people for.
wild wild rice
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OK, thank you for your perspective. I know it's a complex situation and I'm trying to get a better understanding of all angles. It's interesting to watch this from an American perspective since we have Trump and the situations echo each other in certain ways.
Heckler456
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Listen, I'm not the most super knowledgeable guy, but this sounds like some hot baloney to me. What does this have to do with anything? The fact of the matter is that the EU is the second biggest economy in the world, and they vote as a bloc. The UK is now entirely on its own. The UK is dependent on its income from the EU. The EU on the other and, not so much, bigger number or not. From where I'm sitting, I doubt the UK has as much bargaining power as you're implying it having.
They were part of the bloc that negotiated trade deals, though. From effectively biggest or second biggest economy, to what? Tenth? That's a LOT of negotiatory power lost.
R_thanatos
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Agreed
There is no dictatorship, the french right wing movement, the FN is always attacking "l'europe" as a scapegoat. They also believe that going from "the franc" the french money to the euro led to a rise of 40% of the prices when everyone know that the price have gone up thanks to other factors. ( every study done in france have proven this so far )
in short , that's nonsense
Complete nonsense like the rest of his post.
uncleniccius
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The EMU isn't such a great issue - the advantage that we had in being in the free market was huge.
Supposedly 60% of non EU companies have their EU headquarters in the UK. This will end up hurting us a lot.
Perfect Blue
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call_kotaku
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Aren't the financial sector and research/R&D big industries for the UK? Even if new trade deals get sorted out and they're broadly similar to the deals they had before, how can those industries recover since they're so tied into the EU?
I agree with this. If we've learned anything from this year of a Tory majority, it's fairly clear that the Lib Dems were actually doing something right to stop the worst shit getting passed.
Goddamn.
I dunno, seems like then we'd be rid of a lot of crazy politicians... I'm not sure I'm against Texit.
dealer-
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Everything I've seen on the news today from leave voters has been the same. I haven't heard any rational, well-thought out reasons sadly just talk about "getting our England back".
This is what's wrong with the EU right now. You are talking about Greece like there aren't actual people living there.
"We are so much better than them". Fucking infuriating.
massivekettle
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UK has recently been cozying up with China. Don't think this will be a huge deal.
Come on mate. We DO know that the UK will not be getting a better deal than it had within the EU. There's not a single realistic reason why we'd be able to have our cake and eat it too.
Dude, those all are FN arguments. Le Pen father would be proud of him
Britain shall finally be free from the oppressive yoke of Sweden and the Netherlands.
At least the 10,000 pounds I lost betting on Remain arent worth much anymore.
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If I were a betting man, I would put my 401k on them moving.
Sure, we could just have continual votes on the matter, through referenda and general elections, until we arrive at the correct decision.
The UK actually joined the EC in 1973 because it was trailing behind economically...
Labour have been unelectable since the day they put the wrong Milliband in charge, just give me a reason to vote for you over the tories, it shouldn't be that fucking hard!
jakonovski
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The EU has huge problems, but:
Have you ever voted in EU parliamentary elections?
I'm confused about this angle. Presumably you have a lot of boomers retiring or coming up on retirement. How is stopping the flow of young immigrant workers going to help that? The NHS isn't free to non-citizens as far as I know. What's the logic here?
Audioboxer
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We're going to show off our immense vocabulary now on a global social media scale with plenty of "fucks and cunts".
I hope Merkel rains fire on this country. Give the Brexiteers what they want.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Donc "fraternité" n'est pas une fraternité des hommes, mais seulment une fraternité des Français? Je ne suis pas convaincu. Nous sommes tous un. Liberté pour tous; equalité pour tous; fraternité pour tous. Vive la France, vive une Europe unie, et vive la paix entre les hommes.
Nous sommes un forum international--un témoignage parmi tous les autres á la valeur de fraternité et de l'unité.
Yes. Having African roots doesn't change that a thing.
Air Zombie Meat
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I did leading up to the vote. It did no good at all. They didn't care about any issue other than stopping immigrants from flooding and overloading our system (welfare, nhs) That was the single perceived issue that made them vote the way they did. It's frustrating but it was their vote.
That is exactly the type of action hated by people who want to leave the EU will only enbolden them.
While I agree that it was the wrong Milliband, it really wasn't hard to vote for that Labour over the Tories still!
With the names being put around to replace Corbyn should he go (likely) and this whole referendum has made me think that maybe it will be harder to vote for them next time. Not the Tories either way
SmoothOperator
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Have nothing against Greeks even they should never have been part of the Euro consortium, they knew damn well they could not.
If they had the guts to do the same things as the British a few years ago maybe things would have been better now : As soon as Papandreou proposed a referendum, the EU threathened them : So much about democracy...
Alx
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That's just a silly argument, terrorists cross external and internal borders all the time without any trouble, and that's not because of Europe, that's because we're at peace and controls are light. It's not like old border controls would have solved the issue. Heck, Abdeslam was controlled the day after the attacks and let go, while everybody was on high alert and looking for him.
If anything, the best counter-measures against terrorism would come from more cooperation between countries. You would have had more chances to prevent the Paris attacks with a better cooperation between Belgian and French intelligence, rather than pretending to control all cars crossing the border all year long.
geordiemp
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If you have ever looked around brussels, that gravy train is everything thats wrong with Europe and its gross. It maybe not be the butter or milk mountain, but it needs changing.
I did not really want to leave, but I want to change the way Brussels is set up as its just gross. Maybe vote leave is the only way to change.
Nah mate, don't you know voting similarly to far right groups while using the same arguments doesn't make you xenophobic.
Plus, he has "african origins". Probably has a black friend too.
Kai Dracon
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Shit like this is a big reason we're so afraid of Trump winning here in the US. Many claim it wouldn't make a real difference, the broken government would stay the same and Trump would be "moderate". But aside from the Supreme Court damage, there would also be a nation full of nationalistic bigots taking it as their go-sign to attack everyone who isn't white. And this country is sick on guns.
Roland_Gunner
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Just as one example, my companies EU headquarters is in London because its English speaking and falls under EU data privacy regulations. Presumably the second won't apply in a couple of years, so we're going to have move jobs to Amsterdam and, its rumored, open an office in Prague. We're only talking 100 - 200 jobs but go across the IT sector its thousands of high-paying jobs leaving. I'm sure other industries will have similar challenges.
Yes? I don't think we should have another referendum, but if my local MP is elected on a platform that includes not leaving the EU then they should vote for that in parliament?
Surely it has to be a well paid position though, because you want the best people possible in those positions? If it was just an average paying job, the brightest would just go elsewhere.
This is what I was wondering too. Financial services are a huge part of UK exports.
R_thanatos
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The UK was attractive because many companies could use the money that was better than euro while being in a territory that was in the EU and invest massively as a result.
With that advantage gone , other places might be more attractive
No we don't need to do the same.
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Steve.1981
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I never spoke to my mother today as this is the exact bullshit she believes. Normally after one or two glasses of wine. I've tried reasoning with her but she's dug in. It depresses me to no end. It's absolutely tragic.
My dad, bless his heart, believes that people of their age (over 65) don't have the right to make these decisions that the younger generations will have to deal with. So he voted remain to cancel out my mum's vote.
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