It's unreal that such people have decided the fate of this country's future. I don't even understand what they mean by "take back our country". Life's only going to get harder for them and future generations.
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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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It's unreal that such people have decided the fate of this country's future. I don't even understand what they mean by "take back our country". Life's only going to get harder for them and future generations.
China doesn't give a flying fuck about the UK if we aren't in Europe. Their state mouthpiece newspaper already called Britain a small country with no future after this vote.
You can be French with African descent, German, Chinese, American and still be Xenophobic, nationalistic and downright stupid.
My country is actually worse. Large well known organizations with nothing to do with the actual government dictate what my country does.
Greece couldn't survive on it's own. Nobody can.
This way they can. The elitism doesn't help anyone. It's only damaging.
France also can't survive on it's own.
I mean, we fucked over our entire steel industry to please them and stopped the EU from passing legislation that could have helped. But everyone wants China, they don't give that much of a fuck.
massivekettle
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Completely wrong. Nobody invests in GBP outside of the UK.
London is an attractive place because of lower regulations, which is not going to change anytime soon.
BlazingDarkness
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How does UK stand once Article 50 is invoked? Do we keep full benefits as a EU country still for the two years of negotiation?
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CliffyB's Cock Holster
What about the deregulation of the financial markets under Thatcher? That was always trumpeted as the "big bang" that suddenly escalated the LSE into a true world-leading financial center.
I'm no expert, but I kind of think that all it'll take to redress any losses is the imposition of tax/business incentives in the City favourable to the biggest international players. Capitalists like money more than politics.
geordiemp
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EU is a group of countries, it is not 1 economy. Germany mainly exports in Eu to UK, we are the biggest customer by far and away.
There is 2 ways to do trade, free trade or tarriffs. Either way, if we buy 100 and we sell 90, then if you add 20 % we are still fine. Its not that hard to understand.
We are not beggars at any table like you seem to think in your strange view on the world.
nature boy
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Yes, but no influence on future decisions.
Kai Dracon
Writing a dinosaur space opera symphony
They will turn those of color red.
Unreason seems to be the virus of 2016.
Unreason has been percolating within the organism for a very long time. All it takes is the right sequence of events for it to metastasize.
Should've clarified - if they find support somewhere such as the EU they could pull it off - the voting aspect they can easily but the gap between leaving the UK and joining the EU will be very tough. And if the EU breaks down after leaving the UK they're screwed.
They survive due to resources and their financial services. No EU = low amount of financial services = low revenues = doom.
None of this accounts for the cost of upkeeping their eventual military, bolstered customs, intelligence agencies, EU contributions etc. especially the military since Defence is a major part of employment and if Britian won't be paying the bills how will Scotland fund it all without borrowing money? And importantly they'd be using the Euro and not the Pound as was the case during the first referendum.
I doubt the UK would take them back unless extremely harsh terms were set. Ironically the UK would be the EU in this scenario but Scotland would be Greece xD
I'm working on it (again)
jakonovski
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Hell no. Considering the lack of transparency already, what interest do the power players have to appease a leaver that's just screwing about?
Audioboxer
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An interesting it point is the number of schools and local authorities who have moved to either Google or o365 for email provision. as long as the servers are in the eu there's no data protection issue but in 2 and a bit years time that cover will be gone requiring new legislation
R_thanatos
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i'm french with african roots and i really , really disagree with you.
I have no idea in what little word you live in , but i'm really advising you to learn a little more about both sides of the argument instead of spouting the ridiculous radical idea of marie le pen.
Tu te rends compte de ce que tu dis là ?Je sais que la majorité des français s'en foutent des élections européenes mais eduque toi , va chercher des infos , au lieu de dire des conneries
"obscure organisation" <-- what nonsense
Not to mention the huge draw to London of all the best talent from across the EU in multiple industries and that's in jeopardy now.
and I gagged a little bit.
Anecdotal and all, but...
I get that there are non-racial/non-immigrant reasons for voting leave. I'm not saying there aren't, and I'm not arguing that 100 percent of Leave voters are driven by xenophobia and anti-immigrant sentiment. What I am saying, though, is that it's the centerpiece.
Not really. It has been quite clear these protections will be gone.
Totally, I imagine there being a fairly significant brain drain as people leave the country for other opportunities.
Quite true. But it seems this year, the worldwide meme virus isn't flies or mosquitos, but unreason. A mental virus, much like how Alzheimer's might be.
The bacteria in this case is fear, division, isolationism, and nationalism.
Bits N Pieces
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Haha, a no exactly whit yer talkin aboot. Cunts il be tunin in an seein us aw gettin cunted on live TV.
Not sure why the leave sentiment in the post thinks they are going to renegotiate and things are going to go back to being the same.
1)Like its been mentioned before, the negotiations must be tough because an example must be made and you're dealing with other strong economies in Germany/France
2)While the UK was a powerhouse economy within the EU, its now by its lonesome. That tough guy talk goes away when you're no longer in a gang
Like, as an American thinking globally, one of the benefits the UK has is its seat at the EU. Them walking away makes them a less important power to our national interest because their normally powerful sway in the EU has gone to nil.
1)Like its been mentioned before, the negotiations must be tough because an example must be made and you're dealing with other strong economies in Germany/France
2)While the UK was a powerhouse economy within the EU, its now by its lonesome. That tough guy talk goes away when you're no longer in a gang
Like, as an American thinking globally, one of the benefits the UK has is its seat at the EU. Them walking away makes them a less important power to our national interest because their normally powerful sway in the EU has gone to nil.
UpDownLeftRight
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I think there's legitimately a fairly large portion of misinformed people who are under the impression there will be a mass deporting and full lockdown of the border, since I've also seen a lot of arguments today that result in similar thought processes. I have no idea what the hell some of these people are expecting, but they sure won't be getting what they thought they signed up for.
What kind of deal do you think can possibly get from Beijing? Do you actually see the terms as being favorable to the UK? What leverage does London have?
PJV3
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I still believe the wording is too open to interpretation... If, at the eyes of the EU
1. the constitutional requirement was merely to hold a referendum (regardless of it being non-binding in the UK Parliament), and
2. the will of the people (which themselves are the Member State) being ratified itself counts a decision by the Member State
they can argue (not sure how feeble that argument will be though) the Member State has decided and notified them.
I don't think they'll have a strong argument though. And it depends on which laws are applied and where (UK is still bound by supremacy of EU laws). It'll be interesting to watch, either way.
Thank you fellow Britains! Don't worry you've made really a ballsy move, merci.
I hope that YOU not get fucked like us the FRENCH in 2005
Please stay strong, this isn't about immigrants, it's about our salary.
Can I live?
Let's not kid ourselves here. A lot of it had to do with immigrants.
GoldenEye 007
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No, the data clearly shows immigration was a major factor. Saying otherwise is lying and ignoring basic facts.
jakonovski
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To those saying Brexit is not about racism or xenophobia:
Who do you think you're fooling with that?
Who do you think you're fooling with that?
Thornton Reed
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That's what it sounded like on the news before
Buba Big Guns
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Pretty much. I cant seem to understand why some people thinking cutting connections is the way to go. This world is so interconnected and becoming more so by the day. More dialogue and deeper relationships are needed to solve today's problems, not the other way around. Even if the UK leaves the EU, they will be back one day eventually out of sheer necessity. All this vote did, if they go through with it, is cement Scottish sovereignty and possibly Irish unification. Pretty much the UK fucked itself over for pretty much no reason.
Thank you fellow Britains! Don't worry you've made really a ballsy move, merci.
I hope that YOU not get fucked like us the FRENCH in 2005
Please stay strong, this isn't about immigrants, it's about our salary.
Can I live?
what here?
sorry m8, no immigrants, its like you havent been paying attention
Also thinking that salaries will somehow improve now that the UK will bend over for the right is laughable.
"Nonsense". What a powerful argumentation! Ever heard of TAFTA? Just an example.
Well, the Big Bang was a while ago and it did have a big part in propelling London to a leading position in finance. But the world has changed since the Big Bang and there are many places dying to take the City's place. They have great tax/business incentives too. London maintained the lead from the Big Bang due to a number of reason and many of them are tied to being part of the EU. There's not going to be another Big Bang in the City.
whyamihere
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What if the Queen denied ascent.
What if.
What if.
R_thanatos
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Nobody ......If you say so , it must be true , then !
i'm talking from personnal experience and knowledge , but you must be right , of course /s
No investment in GBP ? really ? What dimension are you living in ?
jakonovski
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Where was that Tory paper about making hiring and firing completely arbitrary?
geordiemp
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I am Scottish. I think when they people the numbers with the oil price and Euro adoption, Scotland will probably be even worse off.....It will be interesting to see if opinions change. when the net benefit becomes a net cost..
'i don't like the idea of the UK being involved with some undemocratic, autocratic bureaucracy we should stick to china instead'
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