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The UK votes to leave the European Union
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Lying vs calling everyone racists.
It was an awesome uplifting campaign by all involved, must be why things feel so positive today.
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No, they will tear themselves apart. This wasn't a left/right issue, both main parties are bitterly divided.
Stumpokapow
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Okay, I shouldn't have to highlight this but a century is a very long time ago. You think being "subservient" to a bureaucracy where Britain had a seat at the head of the table is bad. I wonder how you will feel about being bullied by US, China and probably the EU too for trade deals and pretty much anything.
Merkel will have to bring down fire and lightning on the UK, or at least appear to, otherwise showing how easy and potentially even beneficial leaving the EU is would make her weak against our own party of EU haters, the rightwing populist AfD party.
We won't give you candy for behaving like spoiled kids. The UK threatened to leave the EU for so long to get their way, no way that'll work after actually picking the ball up and turning around. UK isn't Europe's special snowflake overlord.
Flintty
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Apologies if this has already been posted. Something for the Remain voters.
Keep smiling, GAF; things will work out for the best.
Keep smiling, GAF; things will work out for the best.
A general election where an MP stands on the platform of staying in the EU is definitely more of a mandate than a referendum, and I am positive we will have a general election before article 50's two years are up.
What... ??? Utilise ta tête plutôt que d'écouter les conneries du FN...
They're currently in the - possibly unsuccessful - process of removing their own leader, so probably not.
wild wild rice
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Forgive my possibly ignorant American perspective: Who is the dictator? Did the EU dictate (maybe that's the dictatorship you're referencing) how the various countries' borders and immigration policies work? And, last but not least, how did the Euro currency fuck stuff up?
In all sincerity I'm unaware of how the EU was an invasive thing.
I don't think we are last in the queue, more take it or leave it from US which is so much worse on our own. All the nations will have us over a barrel now.
Bits N Pieces
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I don't think Remain expected to lose and I don't think Leave expected to win, that's why were in this twilight zone feeling of like - fuck, what do we do now?!
A few people in my office who voted for leave now want a 2nd referendum as they think they made the wrong choice. When you bamboozle people with stats and half facts and you base your motives on scaremongering and propaganda then of course it's difficult for people to make an informed decision. As someone who went through the Indy ref not too long ago I could see this a mile off.
It's really sad, actually.
A few people in my office who voted for leave now want a 2nd referendum as they think they made the wrong choice. When you bamboozle people with stats and half facts and you base your motives on scaremongering and propaganda then of course it's difficult for people to make an informed decision. As someone who went through the Indy ref not too long ago I could see this a mile off.
It's really sad, actually.
Best thing I've read all day
In theory maybe. In practice they're having a nice internal battle themselves, with several MPs pushing for a no-confidence motion against the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn.
R_thanatos
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But we know
History speak for itself
You can't stop paying your membership fee to be into a club and act like you have a place to say anything about the club.
UK was a powerhouse financially Because it was in the EU, their major attractiveness is GONE.
Being out of the EU means that any external financement after the next 2 years is seriously stopped or halted
Uk imports will be taxed as heck since it's a massive exchange of goods from a market to another , we all know how that turns out.
Even if a trade agreement is made to prevent this , the terms will NOT be in Uk favor , since their money power will drop.
We have decades of knowledge on how economy works , saying " how do you know" is nonsense since we know how things go bad in many scenarios
SmoothOperator
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If that means no more terrorism flowing the borders, no more stupid laws and norms preventing our own firms from being competitive and no more unelected pricks dictating how we should behave then go ahead Brits.
Labour are a fucking shambles right now. They've got no real leadership contenders and anyone that replaces Corbyn will like move back towards the right and their party is already fractured both due to Corbyn and the Labour MP's wanting out.
If a snap GE was called right now, I could see them losing seats.
Congrats on putting the smile on Boris and Farage instead. Labour are really going to need to work for my vote once Corbyn goes after this shitshow.
Gurgelhals
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...and all he got out of it was roughly another year as PM and his legacy in tatters. Utterly pitiful. This is Anthony Eden / Suez Crisis levels of fail.
Not sure if this was posted already, but:
https://twitter.com/BBCBenThompson/status/746323563561500672
@bbcbenthompson said:
https://twitter.com/BBCBenThompson/status/746323563561500672
geordiemp
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But the 9 % is a bigger number than the 57 %, so if a 20 % tariff was applied, it would cost EU more. Wont happen anyway, of that 9 %, most of that is Germany export, you know where this is going dont you.
Nobody knows if it will be a better or worse deal. True, now we are being truthful.
Would not be surprised if Uk chipped in still but less to show solidarity, could control its own border with a trade agreement and was called something like associate member.
They will find a way, or its bad for everyone. If the election had asked if UK wanted to be in Europe and be a trade partner without being in EU, it would of been 100 % remain. There is a difference.
Good lord, another mindset that seems to have time-traveled from the 19th Century. Tell me, how goes the conquest of Indochina?
It was denied but probably temporary to avoid a meltdown.
Yeah the final irony that he did this because he was spooked about losing party support to UKIP and ended up handing them their dream ticket on a silver platter. What a moron.
It turns out that uniting countries with wildly different costs of living, working conditions, pay and so on under a common currency, isn't a winning formula for all.
Red Arremer
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The real question is, now that they've caused so much damage playing in Westminster, when is Gibraltar taking its monkeys back?
the opposite, some MPS have already called for Corbyn to resign, it's not going to be a pretty year for labour (like the last few)
RedSparrows
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The rhetoric about 'independence' equates Britain leaving the EU with anti-colonialism and/or freedom from totalitarianism.
They are demonstrably light years apart.
QuicheFontaine
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No. Point 2 refers back to point 1:
It's predicated on the decision to withdraw having been made by the member state. That hasn't happened in the UK.
Look I know that Juncker, Schultz and Tusk are probably fuming right now, and that there are plenty of European citizens licking their lips at the idea of the UK "being made an example", but they're all going to have to sit their arses back down and wait. Nothing is going to happen for a while.
Not surprising. London is a financial powerhouse that was very attractive as it covered all of EU. Now some of the work will have to split to inside EU. In finance and many other fields.
Dictatorship? lol
I'm not surprised at all. If there is another european country as xenophobic as the UK that is France. Their sense of superiority is really something,
Turns out if you keep accusing people of this they'll vote in retaliation too, which isn't good for anyone.
SmoothOperator
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Euro is crap, prices have been multiplied by 10 in 10 years, it's preventing our firms from being competitive on the international siege, I needn't even expend on that.How can you even adjust your economy when you can't even control your own currency ?
France is a far cry from Greece and yet we share the same currency which is a fucking nonsense and we have to bail them every fucking year for the sake of this false idol.
Regarding Immigrations and border : Most terrorists from the November attacks came from Belgium and took advantage of the no border policy to commit those terrors,let alone the thousand of refugees and illegals that have been flooding the past year.
I don't want some extra-national organization dictating the way my country or my politicians should be have : Vive la France et vive le Roi.
Carl2291
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British Left is non existent in the UK right now.
Labour has been decimated by the rise of the SNP and Corbyn doesn't have a clue.
They're being hit hard by a growing UKIP vote in working class areas and the Tories have enough of a hold on England that they're not going to get in again any time soon without a resurgence of the Lib Dems, who are also dead because they fucked students.
Chronospherics
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Most of the people on /r/anarchism were actually voting stay, interestingly enough. While a UK without the EU provides us with authority, it does not escape us from it, and many Anarchist simply prefer the legislation the EU provided, to our own.
In addition our presence in the EU places less significance on or borders with European nations, which is closer to anarchistic ideals. They're both pretty bad options I guess. Some from /r/anarchy were saying they were just putting smiley faces and other nonsense onto their ballots *sigh*.
Air Zombie Meat
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Just spoke to my parents. Both leave voters, both over 60. They're delighted because they think the immigrant hordes have been stopped and the NHS will have more money now. Had to bite my tongue, no point in arguing over it now.
Aye. Darkjedi seems to have missed large swathes of the world also getting in on that industrialisation malarkey too, including them ex-colonies across the Atlantic.
Stumpokapow
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I feel it is immoral that 73 UK MEPs plan on drawing 14 million Euro of salary from hard-working European tax payers. The chamber should expel them without pay or else they should resign and refuse to accept pay. Anyone who doesn't is a self-serving welfare leech.
The only possible argument against this is that sometimes it is worth paying money into a shared institution in order to guarantee future stability and a space to work together for mutually beneficial outcomes, and lord knows that argument has been soundly rejected by the British people
gross.
Audioboxer
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Team Scotland checking in again ~ https://twitter.com/The45Storm/status/746407201057681408
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How so? The UK has never been in the Eurozone monetarily, and my impression is that London grew in importance largely off the back of English being the most widely used language of finance and big business.
Anyone watching channel 4 news? Asking ppl why they voted leave - "stop Muslims coming here", "get all foreigners out". Can't help but feel most people who voted leave did so because of some nostalgic desire for an all white England.
Heard about an Asian woman copping abuse from an elderly man in a supermarket on the radio today. He said "we've got our country back and now we can get ppl like you out". It's fucked up. It really is all about foreigners for leavers.
Heard about an Asian woman copping abuse from an elderly man in a supermarket on the radio today. He said "we've got our country back and now we can get ppl like you out". It's fucked up. It really is all about foreigners for leavers.
CitizenVectron
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I call bollocks on prices increasing 10x in 10 years!
BlazingDarkness
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Don't bite your tongue, tell them what their vote means.
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