Considering how divisions in society seem to be the main reason why we're in this mess in the first place, I could do without another one between the young and old. I've seen some pretty disgusting articles like this one being written because of data like this being shoved in our faces.
The UK votes to leave the European Union
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Considering how divisions in society seem to be the main reason why we're in this mess in the first place, I could do without another one between the young and old. I've seen some pretty disgusting articles like this one being written because of data like this being shoved in our faces.
Red Arremer
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The EU actually deterred Scottish independence by telling Scotland that they'd face some sort of consequence if they were to go independent while the UK is a member of the EU.
Now that this isn't the case, the deterrent is no longer there. It's in fact in the EU's best interest to roll out the red carpet for the Scots.
BXL/Germany are currently investigating the legal grounds on which they can invoke on tuesday. They argue that by organising and ratifying the poll, they might legally trigger article 50.
If theUK doesn't manage to get specific trade deals with countries before leaving the EU, they'll have to fall back on the WTO deals.
Basically every country member of the WTO already has trade deals with all the others. It's jsut that they're far more limiting than specific negociated deals.
Neko Mimi Mode
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Mr.Fletcher
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I wouldn't feel too sorry for us English.
Other than London, which heavily distorts the figures, almost every area voted to Leave.
Agree, it is the classic, lets keep going until we get the result we want, and if Leave vote 60% they will start another petition
The remain camp need to accept they lost, they had everything on their side to win and still lost, time to stop the salt
I really sincerely feel like London should secede from the rest of the England and join the EU independently. I don't feel like I have any more in common with people in the North East than I do with people in Scotland or Ireland. The UK is dissolving, why stop at Scottish independence?
Starwolf_UK
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Bolded has nothing to do with membership of the EU (which is a big problem in this kind of debate though with Farage emulating Nazi propaganda you could think otherwise). If you are refereeing to the Syria, Iraq and Afganistan those are refugees or asylum seekers which don't count (while they should register asylum in the first safe country they enter in I think the EU is right to try and tackle this better than Greece and Italy getting them all...as those are the first EU countries in the typical routes).
The immigration matter was a prime minster made a daft "no ifs no buts I'll get it down to tens of thousands by 2015" which isn't possible even without free movement (as even the non-EU migration far exceeded that ridiculous target). I don't blame Eastern Europe coming here to take advantage of employment opportunities in the lower end (there are record numbers of people in employment now). Sadly the media wanted to paint a myth of they get here then bring their families to leech on our benefits and steal our jobs (and yes it is true some warehouse jobs were conducted entirely in Polish and only advertised in Poland). The myth of public services can't take the numbers was furthered by the fact remain didn't want to answer that with the hard truth that "yeah this your prime minster speaking, actually that is the governments fault, 6 years of spending cuts leaves things like a shambles, huh?".
As for what happens next. That is all to be negotiated. Given vote leave were fond of a Norway style deal that would mean free movement is unchanged and we probably be expected to make contributions to the EU still (that kind of outcome would be all this for a worse deal and completely disillusion people even more). In terms of what we were getting for our membership, some sectors were heavily reliant on it (agriculture) while others really pushed above their weight (like research) and minus these rebates the membership fee still costs mores but it granted a lot of intangible benefits like visa free travel.
nature boy
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Outside of a few outliers, the polls were close and weren't far off from the final results.
I didn't vote for it either. Where do I get off?
jimbobsmells
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No it really isn't. The EU isn't going to recognise a country unilaterally declaring itself independent like that in any way, shape or form - very few countries on earth will do. I'm absolutely positive that the EU would love Scotland to join, and if a legally binding referendum were held that voted for independence would absolutely roll out the red carpet - but that just won't happen. There's no appetite from any party ion Westminster apart from the SNP to agree to another referendum. So unless something weird happens where a minority government needs to pass something so desperately that they let Scotland become independent, then Scotland's hands are tied.
Heckler456
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I get what you mean, and you're right to a degree. But what's so weird about asking "are you sure"? a significant portion of the voting populace didn't vote, perhaps out of complacency. Maybe some other people changed their mind when seeing the ramifications. If the majority is really interested in leaving the EU, then why wouldn't we end up with the same result after a second vote?
It's weird to think about on a national scale, but it's not as if it isn't a sound idea, theoretically speaking.
Relaxed Muscle
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You don't get a second vote. You are part of UK and UK as a whole choose to leave Europe.
Is ironic, but if Scotland would have voted for independence 1+ year ago, they would be in a much better possition to enter in the EU in a few years, rather than being dragged off the EU with UK.
Audioboxer
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Well for those on NeoGAF then. Not so much feeling sorry, just empathy cause if us Scots can hit eject and remain in the EU it makes things even more depressing for Remain-England.
Pagusas
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It would be nice if they put turnout numbers in this also. I'd like to know if the younger generation actually fucked them selves over by not showing up to vote. If thats the case they have no one but themselves to blame.
tfur
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I guess that other data point that is missing is... what percentage of each age group actually went out to vote.
Could this simply be a case of older people are more likely to vote?
My point exactly, look at the map, if Scotland was not voting it was a fucking landslide, the whole country apart from a few London suburbs want out...
If the media was not so London centric would not be seeing this reaction on TV.... come to a Yorkshire town and see if they feel they have been robbed
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Don't really see how any of this is true
Scotland is was 100% remain region-wise
And the primary topic of contention for Leave voters was immigration, not the EU itself
Calamari41
41 > 38
I'm not sure I understand the analogy.
Isn't the issue not that Britain has voted to become a dictatorship, but rather that it has voted to become independent? And the concern is that Britain is not strong enough to survive independently? Isn't it almost the opposite of this gif?
Clear
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Don't forget those old people you are spitting on, were once young and idealistic too.
Then life happened and forced them to revise and reevaluate their perspective.
Pilgrimzero
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We can hold a vote regardless if they recognise it or not. They'll have poll tax riots x10 if they don't accept a yes.
ClosingADoor
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Words are fine, remains the be seen what is going to happen. The EU-Canada trade deal for example. Years of negotiations between the two. Not Britain will not be part of it anymore and has to go at it alone after they leave and start the process again.
No it wasn't. FFS why do you persist in this strange view of just looking at the size of a district to compare figures?
The vote in England was 53.4% leave, 46.6% remain. That's a close result, and indicates vast swathes of England that don't want to leave.
Why do you not understand that a simple map of the country tells you absolutely fuck all about how many people voted for something? That population density exists?
Heckler456
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Leaving the EU to "become independent again and reclaiming what was once ours" seems like a far more idealistic idea than sticking with the EU and working on your issues.
Relaxed Muscle
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The EU wasn't going to recognize a country declaring itself independent...if it was from an EU state member.
UK not being a EU member anymore and that becomes a non-problem. Scotland can become independent, start doing the preparations and in a few years fully become an EU member easily.
Red Arremer
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More like that the EU and its "evil regulations" were the only thing that kept the Tories from tearing down things like workers rights or consumer protection.
maquiladora
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Can't blame her to be honest, everyone is really down in work today, my wife who works for the NHS says the same, really down a depressed mood. One of the girls here was really passionate about it and has totally kicked off today. A few of the out voters have also said they didn't expect it to kick off so much or to have had such a dramatic effect, I'm really not sure what the remain side have been doing for the last few months.
Really worried about my job, lads
and as a bonus
https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...ltdown-how-brexit-may-affect-the-british-film
and as a bonus
https://www.theguardian.com/film/20...ltdown-how-brexit-may-affect-the-british-film
Ether_Snake
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Spain says: no it shouldn't.
UpDownLeftRight
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And every one of those was filled with thousands of people who don't want to be dragged into it either though.
Audioboxer
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Just ignore it. The next weeks will be full of "the SNP can't do this/London won't give you a vote anyway" coming from I presume, Leave-England/Wales voters not wanting us to get our way. Ironically they should really be saying GTFO Scotland you idiots all voting Remain. They just can't let us go.
Calamari41
41 > 38
So change my statement to "not strong or intelligent enough to survive independently." Isn't the situation still pretty much the opposite of the gif?
Losers/winners is all that matters here, ofc
The vote was very close. Is there a hard-and-fast rule about how close it has to be for re-votes?
PdotMichael
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Crazy talk. USA and Canada will use the opportunity to provide the UK with very favourable trading deals.
Screaming Meat
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I know, right?
Ahahaha holy shit
But...I love the British Films...
ClosingADoor
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We'll bribe Spain by backing their Gibraltar claim of course
Favorable for the US and Canada, since Britain has a lot less leverage then the EU has when it comes to this now.
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