ShadyAcshuns
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I don't keep up with sales, scores and trends, but as a gamer I've enjoyed my Series X and S this year so I don't see what the "problem" is. *goes back to enjoying gaming*
Do you mean if they exit gaming altogether? If they feel generous maybe they will let you re-download for a year, maybe 2? But they will pull the plug altogether eventually. And your console is going to Heaven sooner or later.If the brand goes down, and Series X is their last console, I sincerely hope they at least keep the ability to redownload purchased content. I really love Gears (specially the OG trilogy) and I don't want to play on PC.
"why not make Xbox like ABK"? I fully get how he's respected in terms of business acumen. But would you really like Xbox to be like ABK? Just pause for a moment and think about how Diablo IV was designed with monetization in mind. And how CoD now is. Do you want Xbox to be solely commercially more successful or would you like Xbox to be a better place for gamers to enjoy games....All memes and joking aside, I really do think Bobby would right the ship or at least point them on a better direction.
If you're right, which I don't know that you are, then I don't see how Microsoft competes moving forward. I don't think there's a Game Pass game library in the world that's going to be compelling enough to convince massive swaths of consumers to leave Playstation and come to Xbox.
Phil & Co are in a hole without a shovel. I just don't think there's an answer to right this ship any time soon.
"They couldn't afford to fail this year but they did"After a decent start, this has been an unmitigated disaster. This year was supposed to be a big ne for them as Sony only had a single first-party release whereas Microsoft had 4 but 3 out of them fell short and the only one that met and even exceeded expectations was Hi-Fi Rush which is a smaller game. Redfall was a colossal failure. Forza Motorsport was poorly received and reviled by fans. Starfield has become a meme and is now the lowest-rated Bethesda game on Steam. They couldn't afford to fail this year but they did.
Their numbers in Europe make the Wii U seem like a runaway success and they have made absolutely no progress in Japan. Even in the US, their strongest market, the competition is demolishing them. Their sales figures have become so embarrassing for so long that they refuse to disclose them, instead covering them up with "engagement metrics". What is players having shot 1,000,000,000 bullet in Halo finite supposed to tell me?
People should be calling for Phil's head. He took over in what, 2016? And he somehow managed to sink the brand further. The only good thing he did is Game Pass.
The experiment with the current brass has been a failure. Time to regroup, sack everyone (especially Booty, Geeenberg, and Phil) and rethink their strategy.
30 million people say differentGamePass is dead.
Even if they could replicate EA Play Pro not EA Play, they wouldn't want to do it for 10 dollars and EA Play Pro is 15 a month.
But people on forums want you to care about sales and if you didn't buy their plastic box you are a dumb dumb headI don't keep up with sales, scores and trends, but as a gamer I've enjoyed my Series X and S this year so I don't see what the "problem" is. *goes back to enjoying gaming*
My goodness though, how much will Gamepass cost to make it profitable? My guess was that they would keep raising prices on it every other year until it reached 50 bucks a month in about a decade. But if it is their only means of gaming income it certainly will become worse than that even sooner.I don’t see a future where Microsoft doesn’t have Xbox hardware on the market. However, I do think their vision, investment, and projections will change significantly.
Ultimately, I don’t think Microsoft has any desire to compete with Sony’s hardware 1:1 anymore. We are already seeing this hold true to some degree since Phil Spencer already confirmed no “Pro” console will be coming. I expect even more deviations like this to happen in contrast to Sony’s strategy.
My guess is that Microsoft will continue to position Game Pass as their true platform, go mostly all-digital to force people to subscribe, and relegate future Xbox hardware as an optional native avenue of enjoying Game Pass among others to come (including cloud/streaming).
Whether that will be successful or not is another story.
Nadella was said to be close to shutting Xbox down. Its reported that Phil came to him with a plan that changed his mind on that.The plan consisted of cloud gaming and subscriptions. Microsoft investors dont give two shits about xbox, you can watch the stock go up and down based on the performance of A.I. and their cloud infrastructure. The income from a large subscription base is the icing on top.
The general market is not sold on either of those things. Phil can not pivot away from these things. This was his plan he pitched and unfortunately it didn't work. I think you will see that Xbox pivots to a more traditional service which comes with new leadership, or Xbox gets shut down for not delivering on its promises. It can't continue on much longer the way its going now.
I don't keep up with sales, scores and trends, but as a gamer I've enjoyed my Series X and S this year so I don't see what the "problem" is. *goes back to enjoying gaming*
I mean, it is like a cult - dancing around sale charts in hope that Sony will generate more money. But the truth is that no matter how many consoles Sony sell, the platform won't get future titles (aside certain ones) from all the publishers Microsoft will acquire.What's the definition of madness again......doing the same thing over and over expecting different results.
I don't game on PC, so Xbox is the only way I can play some games. I agree Xbox needs to step it up with their first party titles, but if they don't I always have Switch and PS5 as well.Yeah I had an Xbox Series S. Only bought it because PS5 consoles were sold out everywhere for months.
Sold the Series S because I bought a PC.
No need to have the Xbox hardware and there's nothing that interests me on the Xbox platform in terms of software. Forza, Halo, Gears all went stale and these were the games i bought an Xbox 360 for back in the day.
There's nothing out there that I can say I need to buy a Series X for. This won't apply to everyone but there's an obvious decline in people wanting to experience what Xbox has to offer. Hopefully their first party studios have some killer games cooking becuase they need it. We all need them to step up their efforts.
The possibility of what I said could be possible mistaken for something serious is really fucked up and telling about xbox/phil spencer fanbaseIts impossible to say if its sacasm or not.
I'm not saying they were the gods of video games before but you can clearly see a difference before and after 2016 as a result of Phil's policy.Hey! It is my turn to post this tomorrow!
As much as I am happy to not be an Xbox gamer right now, maybe they will turn it around. Maybe the Indiana Jones game will come out and blow us all away. Maybe Activision or Blizzard will deliver some pretty fresh exclusive IP for MS, maybe Bethesda will remake New Vegas or something like that. Maybe Avowed knocks it out of the park immediately at launch unlike Sea Of Thieves.
Time will tell. People in NeoGAF assure me every day that GamePass is their favorite way to consume games, their Series S is a small beast in their bedroom and HiFi Rush is their favorite game of the year. Who am I to tell them different?
Video games are works of art. They are audio visual entertainment. They are also consumer products. Unfortunately Microsoft is really awful at creating art, providing entertainment or designing high quality consumer products. It is not in their DNA. They have more in common with Amazon than they have with either Nintendo, Sony or even Sega. It almost seems like they got lucky with the first Xbox, and even luckier with the 360. But for the past 10 years or so they have been irrelevant in the conversation because they do not have the slightest clue what gamers want. Series X might a pretty good piece of hardware, but specs are not worth anything if they are not being utilized.
I wonder if people will open these threads everyday.
Xbox will generate more money than Sony - and all in a single ecosystem with a handful of games available on other platforms, while Sony is struggling to maintain their margins above 10% despite selling a lot of consoles...And people are worrying about Xbox People should be worrying more in regards of what Microsoft will acquire next and what developers and publishers Sony will lose
I mean, it is like a cult - dancing around sale charts in hope that Sony will generate more money. But the truth is that no matter how many consoles Sony sell, the platform won't get future titles (aside certain ones) from all the publishers Microsoft will acquire.
Post ABK, Xbox is secured as never before so it does not matter how much would it sell. Considering that Satya regrets cancelling Windows Phone, the idea that Microsoft will do that with Xbox is laughable.
* Psychonauts 2 - lame
Well it's the Sega strategy. It goes like thisWhat's the point of releasing another Xbox, if this one has no traction?
It's not like it was in the early 2000s when every console was a fresh start and a way to wipe the slate clean (more or less). Nowadays with digital libraries and BC, each one builds off the next. The far more likely path for them now is just to fall farther and farther behind.
At least in my case I get games in Game Pass. So the god gives his graceEh.....just as cultish "dancing around" hoping Microsoft acquires more publishers.
This is not the way to go, and Gaming do not need to be saved by MS. Competition is always a good thing, but acquiring everything will probably bring to a even worse situation in Gaming, and thanks God it will never happen.Obviously bethesda and Activision were not enough to allow Xbox to compete in a fair way, so I think EA and UBISOFT should be their next acquisition, we must have competition, this is the only way, is good for us, MS have to save gaming from Sony and be allowed to buy at least more 02 big publishers.
Come on, we have all seen the leaked Xbox that looks like an ashtray. Or a trashcan.People need to start getting used to the idea that there may not be another xbox console
Fuck yeah. And stop being that asshole that's third place on the podium !Straight to second place.
Obviously bethesda and Activision were not enough to allow Xbox to compete in a fair way, so I think EA and UBISOFT should be their next acquisition, we must have competition, this is the only way, is good for us, MS have to save gaming from Sony and be allowed to buy at least more 02 big publishers.
He's a hobbit though, not a man.Only one man can save them
People here are experts and they are telling everyone it's dead. Game Pass is dead. Console sales are dead. Game sales are dead. 75 billion dollars is going to be wasted again. It's just like PC is dead back in the 360 PS3 days. I remember people discussing 600-dollar console in 2006 and how Sony is doomed. I doubt we will see Microsoft closing down its gaming business anytime soon. They have the biggest money chest out there and can sustain longer than the other two.I don't keep up with sales, scores and trends, but as a gamer I've enjoyed my Series X and S this year so I don't see what the "problem" is. *goes back to enjoying gaming*
Lets hope he can find him.Only one man can save them
Wii U and Vita actually are dead, but I still enjoy them like I did when they were new. Sales, scores, trends, threads, fans, popularity etc. all are meaningless to me. My PS5 has only been turned on a few times this year for FFXVI and a few other PS+ titles, so being popular hasn't helped it become more useful for me.People here are experts and they are telling everyone it's dead. Game Pass is dead. Console sales are dead. Game sales are dead. 75 billion dollars is going to be wasted again. It's just like PC is dead back in the 360 PS3 days. I remember people discussing 600-dollar console in 2006 and how Sony is doomed. I doubt we will see Microsoft closing down its gaming business anytime soon. They have the biggest money chest out there and can sustain longer than the other two.
Weird you say 20, Todd says 7 yearsLike Starfield, it gets really good after 20 years.
You just wait.
Would going third party even help?Time for them to go full third party. Their strategy isn't working and I don't think there is any room for them in the console space.
What difference does it make? Them making hardware doesn't change their prowess as a publisher. The games are coming regardless, unless you're specifically talking about supporting PS hardware? All that would achieve is more sales but that would mean giving people less of a reason to sub to Gamepass. No chance Sony would have Gamepass on their system as it would cannibalise their subscription model.Remove the word "console" from the thread and I agree.
They could be a truly powerful publisher if they would drop the hardware, focus on first party, some version of Gamepass on other platforms, etc.
The answers are right there, and have nothing to do with hardware.
PlayStation having monopoly on console market would be pretty sad, especially considering how anti-consumer Sony is.Or go 3rd party publishing and get access to Playstation and Nintendo installbase.
They dont need to restart the generation. Hardware is not the problem. They just need to start making movie games that get 90+ Metacritics. It’s unfortunate because Microsoft is one of the few companies that support creativity and innovation with their games (Hifi Rush, Pentiment, etc etc)
Yeah, imagine a console market dominated by a company who doesn't even allow consumers to refund their games. Stuff of nightmares, especially considering the next-gen will probably be 100% digital.I kinda wanna see what happens if MS exits the console game and people here get what they want. I doubt anyone else would step up to the plate. Apple already makes obscene revenue from gaming without bothering with a console.
Sony vs Nintendo solo match. Let’s see how pricing goes. They just arbitrarily raised the price of Ps+ with 0 improvements. A Sony with 0 competitors in the “high end” console space will be hilarious.