Pete Hines already left.I think instead of planning their next gen console they should plan a change of leadership, firing people like Phil, Matt Booty, Sarah Bond, Aaron Greenberg and Pete Hines, stopping the "day one on GP" idea for AAA games, to transition to a full multiplatform 3rd party role leaving behind their own hardware, and to go back to focus on selling games instead of in their game sub, which should be something secondary.
No, please not. That's literary the best thing for PC to happen.They should consider releasing mid+ games. And also drop the release time parity with pc.
I just dont get how these games for previous ps4 owners are omg must have a ps5 with ps plus and ps having weaker bc being like omg I need a ps5.
it is extremely subjective. Eg. I rate AoE much higher than any Sony exclusive. Play almost all sony games in ps4 generation (now we have got sequels, and remasters galore), and Xbox offering with Halo, Forza etc. was/is more suitable for me.
was just saying if you owned a ps4 you cant play 2 of those games listed?It’s not that difficult, PS5 is the only place to play these big sellers below (regardless of whatever you personally think of them, they are way more popular than MS exclusives):
Spider-Man Miles Morales
Horizon Forbidden West
God of War Ragnarok
Gran Turismo 7
Spider-Man 2
Final Fantasy XVI
Plus they get to play third party games like:
CoD
Madden
MLB
FIFA
Elden Ring
Hogwarts
Etc
Only one platform can claim all of that. With Xbox the only differentiator is GamePass, which doesn’t feature any of those massive exclusives, and none of the biggest third party ones are on GamePass.
So unless you’re a hyper fan of Halo and a bunch of lower tier AA games (which are still good, but far less popular), there’s simply not a compelling value on Xbox for most consumers in comparison to a ps5
was just saying if you owned a ps4 you cant play 2 of those games listed?
I don’t talk about the customers and their benefits, I am talking about the XBOX division benefits.I don't see how shutting down Gamepass would archive anything aside of forcing millions of consumers to pay $70 on games.
Maybe I’m in the minority but no way I’d want to play a upgraded version of a single player game I grinded though esp something as long and bloated as horizon death stranding or ghostsCross Gen games are irrelevant. They want an upgraded way to play those cross gen titles
Maybe I’m in the minority but no way I’d want to play a upgraded version of a single player game I grinded though esp something as long and bloated as horizon death stranding or ghosts
They have to be carefully not to burn fans they have still, so they have to wait 2 more years.
Then, I think they should take thier cash and buy next gen.
Release an xbox ultimate. 30 tf. Dual boots windows and xbox on seperate hard drives.
Sells for $299. Includes elite controller, Cod 2025 and forza for free. 12 months of gamepass free too.
Alternatively, releaae a switch like hybrid that plays series s profile games, oled screen, and comes with a wireless hdmi receiver. 12 free months of gamepass, 2 free games. $299.
Sure ms would lose 10 billion or so on either, but they would get market penetration......
There is. I only have a mini pc with a integrated weak gpu thats good enough for browsing the net and Office.The Xbox is a cheap option to play games i would otherwise need a more expensive gaming pc for.There's no reason to own an Xbox anymore - all their games are on Steam. And they don't have any good exclusives anymore anyway so I don't even buy those.
I think that Phil has had his chance and now it's time for someone else to have a turn.
Exactly, only Spiderman 2 and Returnal are appealing here for me, thats it.I just dont get how these games for previous ps4 owners are omg must have a ps5 with ps plus and ps having weaker bc being like omg I need a ps5.
Astro's Playroom
Demon's Souls
Final Fantasy 7 Remake: Intergrade
Returnal
Marvel's Spider-Man Remastered
Ghostwire: Tokyo
The Last of Us Part 1
Forspoken
Uncharted: Legacy of Thieves Collection
honestly, though, this is BS. He has had enough time. In 2006, sonys immediate course correct meant Ken stepped down and Kaz took over PlayStation, in the 7 years that was the PS3, he had completely righted the ship and laid the groundwork for what became the PS4, sonys 1st party cinematic experiences and e collaborative nature of sony with regards to their IPs today.Phil took over in 2014, he needs more time.
I think Phil is clutching at straws, swinging in a wild direction hoping to gain some traction and hoping it works And it isn't. Microsoft being Microsoft can throw money at the problem, but I believe that an ultimatum has been been given and Phil only has so much time left before the plug is pulled.honestly, though, this is BS. He has had enough time. In 2006, sonys immediate course correct meant Ken stepped down and Kaz took over PlayStation, in the 7 years that was the PS3, he had completely righted the ship and laid the groundwork for what became the PS4, sonys 1st party cinematic experiences and e collaborative nature of sony with regards to their IPs today.
Phil has had 6 years leading up to the release of a new console, and another 3 years since said console released.
Yeah, kill the 1 thing that is actually keeping the platform alive. Good move........... NOT!!From a realistic standpoint, Microsoft should become a third party publisher because they will make a ton of money instead of losing money. I think, shutting down gamepass is also a step to the right way.
Kill the 1 thing that is sucking money without making any profits and kills the Studios that make games exclusively for MS because they sell it for almost free on GamePass.Yeah, kill the 1 thing that is actually keeping the platform alive. Good move........... NOT!!
That's not the point. Gamepass is a system seller. Not the current games. Kill that and the Xbox brand is done for. (And maybe for the better)Kill the 1 thing that is sucking money without making any profits and kills the Studios that make games exclusively for MS because they sell it for almost free on GamePass.
Then it is not the correct system seller, they should come up with better solutions. PlayStation Portal (which is an accessory, not even a console) sells better than Xbox consoles in some regions, plus, console systems are not making a lot of money, software makes a lot of money and MS is killing its software with GamePass.That's not the point. Gamepass is a system seller. Not the current games. Kill that and the Xbox brand is done for. (And maybe for the better)
Do you really think, actually fuck thinking... do you believe, gamepass is keeping the Xbox platform alive?Yeah, kill the 1 thing that is actually keeping the platform alive. Good move........... NOT!!
When people bring this up, they completely ignore that the experience on PS5 is drastically better experience than PS4. You get a MUCH better game on PS5.was just saying if you owned a ps4 you cant play 2 of those games listed?
A system seller? Then why is Xbox systems selling down….That's not the point. Gamepass is a system seller. Not the current games. Kill that and the Xbox brand is done for. (And maybe for the better)
Maybe I’m in the minority but no way I’d want to play a upgraded version of a single player game I grinded though esp something as long and bloated as horizon death stranding or ghosts
They dont need to restart the generation. Hardware is not the problem. They just need to start making movie games that get 90+ Metacritics. It’s unfortunate because Microsoft is one of the few companies that support creativity and innovation with their games (Hifi Rush, Pentiment, etc etc)
That's not the point. Gamepass is a system seller. Not the current games. Kill that and the Xbox brand is done for. (And maybe for the better)
They need games??......still??? LMAOThey need fucking games. They launched the Series X with 0 first party games…
Outside of here nobody cares about gamepassThat's not the point. Gamepass is a system seller. Not the current games. Kill that and the Xbox brand is done for. (And maybe for the better)
Outside of here nobody cares about gamepass
20+ million people beg to differ.Other way around. Games are the system seller. Game Pass doesn't exist for the sake of Game Pass.
20+ million people beg to differ.
Like, we KNOW their entire initiative with all these studios has BARELY even started, right? All this blah, blah, Microsoft should go 3rd party, blah, blah, is gonna hurt when all the developers are churning out games like intended; 4 AAA games per year. They accomplished the start of that initiative THIS year, all ready.Find out why their 30+ studios (not counting ABK) have such a hard time consistently making quality AAA games.
They should have started 3 years ago.Like, we KNOW their entire initiative with all these studios has BARELY even started, right? All this blah, blah, Microsoft should go 3rd party, blah, blah, is gonna hurt when all the developers are churning out games like intended; 4 AAA games per year. They accomplished the start of that initiative THIS year, all ready.
There are some MASSIVE heavy hitters on the way. CoD 2024 will be a day one Gamepass release. And there's a slew more on the horizon. No one's thinking about when the next Doom, ES6, FH, Gears, HBII, Fable, ( there's a bunch more i can't remember) that will be Xbox exclusives. I can guarantee NO ONE on GaF will be singing this tune in the very near future. We arent even going to mention ABK and CoD games hitting Gamepass next year.
Everyone is talking about how Microsoft should leave the business. Hell, they're just getting started. This thread is......over zealous, to put it lightly.
The world is bigger than Gaf only. Explore it.Outside of here nobody cares about gamepass
2018 was the start. I'd say it's going pretty well. I've got plenty to play. In fact, I have so many games I don't even sub to GP anymore. I resub when there's a game I really want to play but aren't sure if i want to make am investment. Still a great service.They should have started 3 years ago.
And MS is........FUCKING LTTP to put it lightly. They done fucked up, bet on the wrong horse and now they are trying to reduce loss by buying up big studios.Like, we KNOW their entire initiative with all these studios has BARELY even started, right? All this blah, blah, Microsoft should go 3rd party, blah, blah, is gonna hurt when all the developers are churning out games like intended; 4 AAA games per year. They accomplished the start of that initiative THIS year, all ready.
There are some MASSIVE heavy hitters on the way. CoD 2024 will be a day one Gamepass release. And there's a slew more on the horizon. No one's thinking about when the next Doom, ES6, FH, Gears, HBII, Fable, ( there's a bunch more i can't remember) that will be Xbox exclusives. I can guarantee NO ONE on GaF will be singing this tune in the very near future. We arent even going to mention ABK and CoD games hitting Gamepass next year.
Everyone is talking about how Microsoft should leave the business. Hell, they're just getting started. This thread is......over zealous, to put it lightly.
That's why the casual consumer doesn't even know that gamepass existsThe world is bigger than Gaf only. Explore it.
They don't need to sell as many consoles as Sony or Nintendo to be successful. GaF is literally in it's echo chamber right now.I'm no expert and I'm sure Microsoft would love to sell as many as they can but do they need to sell as many as Sony and Nintendo to be successful?
Toyota sold many more cars than Mitsubishi this year but both are successful.
I get it's a completely different market, and consoles only really have 3 companies compared to vehicles and it's probably comparing apples to oranges.
I dunno, ya know. Like I'm a good runner, but I'm never catching Usain Bolt.
Except, they haven't. Again, consoles aren't the end - all - be - all for Xbox. Even for a Sony centric forum like GaF, that's been a well known fact for years.And MS is........FUCKING LTTP to put it lightly. They done fucked up, bet on the wrong horse and now they are trying to reduce loss by buying up big studios.
It's an act of desperation my man.
I got it for free with my broadband and never use it...20+ million people beg to differ.
Like, we KNOW their entire initiative with all these studios has BARELY even started, right?