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Tite Kubo's Bleach Manga Nears Ending

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So uhm.

Why couldn't Yhwach see the arrow coming with Almighty?

Also, why can't he just like, regenerate from Ichigo's Shikai slash with Lille/Gerard's insane abilities? Heck, why is he tangible at all? He absorbed Lille, meaning he also has the Schrift to render himself literally untouchable.

This is one of the biggest damn plot holes. He should be able to use all the Quinices shit, but doesn't/can't for whatever reason. What a copout.

Back a decade ago when Bleach was still coherent, the Quincies were rivals to the Shinigami. Instead of saving souls and sending them to Soul Society, they'd eradicate them. IIRC, Uryu was the only Quincy left.

But then somehow, for this arc, there were suddenly a whole shit ton of them.

He was the only Quincy that he knew of. Ywach made his own elite group after he did the culling thing.

The plot hole comes from whether or not he made some and skipped over them during the culling, or made them afterwards. They just kind of..exist?

I really don't get the timelines for this, and neither does Kubo.
 
Then ending was rushed so that they can publish Bleach 2 as soon as possible and attract sales for a few months.

You heard it here first
 

RalchAC

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A while ago I read most of the Quincy arc. I've read the last 20 chapters or so today after knowing the series was about to end.

What a trainwreck.

And I complained about how bad the last few years of Naruto were.

I can't believe Bleach has been running for so many years
 

Jonnax

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Problem with Bleach is that nobody seems to care anymore.
I don't think he can get anyone to make an anime film like Naruto.

Maybe some less popular magazine will pick up Bleach. And he'll just add 100 new jobbers for Ichigo to beat.
 

Takuan

Member
Latest chapter is pure, unadulterated fuckery. Par for the course, I suppose.

I'm still hoping we get to see Gin's shifty-looking ass one last time.
 

aBarreras

Member
So uhm.

Why couldn't Yhwach see the arrow coming with Almighty?

Also, why can't he just like, regenerate from Ichigo's Shikai slash with Lille/Gerard's insane abilities? Heck, why is he tangible at all? He absorbed Lille, meaning he also has the Schrift to render himself literally untouchable.

Almighty itself was weakened by Aizen bankai, also, on that very moment, on that instant, Yhwach, was just a human, because thats what the silver arrow does, it separates quincys from their powers, so like a human, being cut in half by a giant sword, kills you.

or thats what i understood
 

Astral

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Almighty itself was weakened by Aizen bankai, also, on that very moment, on that instant, Yhwach, was just a human, because thats what the silver arrow does, it separates quincys from their powers, so like a human, being cut in half by a giant sword, kills you.

or thats what i understood

Fuck if that's the case then he really is dead. What a boring battle. This is how you kill off the big bad of your manga? I don't care how rushed he was, he couldn't kill Yhwach with something a little more flashy? Not even an Ultimate this Really is the Final Getsuga Tensho? Nothing? Ichigo just cuts through him like paper? So fucking boring.
 

aBarreras

Member
Fuck if that's the case then he really is dead. What a boring battle. This is how you kill off the big bad of your manga? I don't care how rushed he was, he couldn't kill Yhwach with something a little more flashy? Not even an Ultimate this Really is the Final Getsuga Tensho? Nothing? Ichigo just cuts through him like paper? So fucking boring.

well this is Bleach, Ichigo has only had one fucking attack these whole, what? 15 16 years?

the only thing he uses is fucking getsuga tensho here, getsuga tensho there.
 
This chapter felt like just another chapter, had the next one not been the last Bach would have come up with some shit to counter being cut in half. Shit he just might.
 

Paltheos

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I won't be able to read the chapter until I get home but... I'm not optimistic. I haven't seen this brought up, surprisingly, but I've been wondering... exactly when was Yhwach put under the effects of Kyouka Suigetsu? The condition for the hypnosis is that you witness Aizen release the blade. Exactly when did that happen? And how could Yhwach be caught by it with the Almighty?

I thought about this for a few minutes, and the conclusion I reached is that Yhwach must have been caught by it by virtue of the Almighty being all-seeing. Being physically present isn't necessary to fall under the hypnosis - Seeing it via future-sight is sufficient to entrap you.
 

Sixfortyfive

He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
I won't be able to read the chapter until I get home but... I'm not optimistic. I haven't seen this brought up, surprisingly, but I've been wondering... exactly when was Yhwach put under the effects of Kyouka Suigetsu? The condition for the hypnosis is that you witness Aizen release the blade. Exactly when did that happen? And how could Yhwach be caught by it with the Almighty?

I thought about this for a few minutes, and the conclusion I reached is that Yhwach must have been caught by it by virtue of the Almighty being all-seeing. Being physically present isn't necessary to fall under the hypnosis - Seeing it via future-sight is sufficient to entrap you.

It's been implied that Aizen has had him under some level of illusion ever since he first stopped by Aizen's cell, although they never once explained how that could be.
 

Mael

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I won't be able to read the chapter until I get home but... I'm not optimistic. I haven't seen this brought up, surprisingly, but I've been wondering... exactly when was Yhwach put under the effects of Kyouka Suigetsu? The condition for the hypnosis is that you witness Aizen release the blade. Exactly when did that happen? And how could Yhwach be caught by it with the Almighty?

I thought about this for a few minutes, and the conclusion I reached is that Yhwach must have been caught by it by virtue of the Almighty being all-seeing. Being physically present isn't necessary to fall under the hypnosis - Seeing it via future-sight is sufficient to entrap you.

Actually that part is probably the one that makes the most sense but it's purely by accident.
The Quincy were always observing SS from the other side of the shadow, Aizen put everyone under the spell of Kyouka suigetsu when he showed it to everyone.
That included everyone who was at the ceremony... yes all the Quincies were there too.
You can actually explain that...by accident really.

In any other contexts the paragraph I just wrote would be one of a madman.
e: except that wasn't that the power of his sword? Can every character use their powers without their sword?
Kubo openned a wealth of plotholes with that one.
 
So now that it's the end, I wanted to see if I could go back and try to edit this series in a way that makes it better. I tried to keep to the rule that I would cut nothing entirely so as to keep to Kubo's outline. Arc by arc, this is what I'd do:

Substitute Shinigami Arc is great, I wouldn't change a thing. Good set-up for characters.

SS Arc: I'd start by axing like 4 squads. Komamura, Gin, Tousen, and Hitsugaya are no longer captains. I'd completely delete Komamura, Gin, and Tousen. Koma does nothing except bitch at Tousen, and Tousen does nothing either, so cut that out. Gin is wasted as well, so ax him too. (Note: whenever I cut minority characters, I'd try to replace them elsewhere). Hitsugaya gets moved to Yamamoto's lieutenant instead of Sasakibe (who also did nothing). This lets him keep his "probably going to be head captain someday" schtick in a way that makes more sense. He also never feels strong enough to be a captain. You also don't need more than 1 traitor to get the point across, so Gin and Tousen are superfluous. Just let Aizen do it. By cutting this down, you get less characters to deal with unresolved powers later. And I think 9 is still enough numerology for Kubo's thing.

Hueco Mundo/Fake Karakura: First, there are no Vizards as a group. I love them, but they do nothing as a whole, so I'd just create Shinji, who shows up and trains Ichigo in his Hollow powers. You still get the "Aizen betrayed me and got me kicked out and I have a mask etc..." stuff, but with less fluff characters. I'd change Ichigo's power level to match Ulquiorra's instead of Grimmjow's. Then Ichigo pretty well handles Grimmjow, so you still get Grimmjow's "Damnit I'm not strong enough" thing. The main reason I'm buffing Ichigo is to indirectly buff his human friends. At no point should anyone from the Squads (other than Rukia and Renji) show up in Hueco Mundo. Renji and Uryu should be able to beat Szayelapporo, and I'd give Chad a good fight with Nnoitra. I'd make all of the Espada stronger so as to require Captains to work with their lieutenants to defeat each one. I'd make it so that most bankais are revealed here, including Yamamoto, Kyouraku, Ukitake (whatever it is), and Shinji (whatever it is). Add in bankais from Kira and Hisagi too if you want them to have those at all. Aizen ends up saving his and proceeds as normal. He beats Yamamoto without his cheap trick (establishing more power for himself), and then gets beaten by Ichigo. Done.

Fullbringers: I'd scrap Tsukishima or tweak him in a way that makes it so that he can't take out Ichigo's human friends. Then I'd stretch this arc out a bit to allow for longer fights at the end. Like Hueco Mundo, the Shinigami should not bail out Ichigo here. This should be the final showcase for the humans. Let Chad, Uryu, Orihime do some work here, and maybe toss in some of Ichigo's school friends. When it's all over, kill the bad Fullbringers (so they don't show up later), and I'd do something so that Ginjou's old badge goes over to Karin, who can then become the Shinigami dealing with minor Hollows in Karakura Town. This wraps up that thread. I know a lot of folks would probably cut this arc, but again, I'm trying to outright cut as little as possible. I think this does a good job of helping out the humans with their screentime and deals with several lose ends. Also, name Ichigo's damn Fullbring!

Quincy War: Cut out all of them but 4 Sternritters and Yhwach. Since we took care of most bankais earlier (this is why!), we can leave most Captains out of this. Let the Royal Guard do more against the 4 Sternritters. Change Yhwach's story from a stupid "It was always me" thing into a war survivor from the past genocide out for blood. These 5 (plus Uryu and Ryuken) are legit the last Quincies. No bankai theft ever happens. Yama gets beaten in a more fitting manner, and replaced by Unohana (who then reveals her past) instead of Kyouraku. I like that Ichigo is actually a Quincy, so keep that, but Yhwach doesn't know it (e.g. Ichigo almost dies, but activates Blut Vene accidentally, which surprises everyone but Isshin). Aizen needs bankai (whatever it is) to help beat Yhwach. Proceed to epilogue as you were.

General changes: Mainly, Ichigo's moveset should grow. He's already got like 4 bloodlines in him, so keep that and use it to improve his fights. He should use Cero waaaaaay sooner than against freaking Yhwach, and honestly, I'd make it so that he works arrows in there as well (for instance, take that chain on the back of his true bankai that he has now and make it a bow string. He can then use the giant blade as a bow as well). Let his Fullbring do more (since it was his most interesting power. I'll remind everyone that it wasn't a straight fighting thing; his Fullbring was the power to bring inner power out, so play with that wording!). Also, pace the fights better.

I'd love some comments on things, but I think this would salvage Kubo's work without cutting too much of it.
 

Mael

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AntraxSuicide I would read that.
Someone like you should have been behind Kubo to edit his mess.
And people claim editors aren't needed!
 

kmax

Member
It seems Shounen Jump really dropped the ax hard on this. Kubo rarely gets shit done in an effecient manner, and I haven't seen him rush things like this in years. Filler chapters have had more plot development than this crap.

It's actually being put out of its misery and I feel...nothing.
 

Mael

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It seems Shounen Jump really dropped the ax hard on this. Kubo rarely gets shit done in an effecient manner, and I haven't seen him rush things like this in years. Filler chapters have had more plot development than this crap.

It's actually being put out of its misery and I feel...nothing.

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It's honestly hilarious how much time was wasted on Gerard only for him to be unceremoniously taken out by his own leader in the middle of his fight

And we still have no real clue why he would even want to reabsorb the powers of the other quincies.

It's not like it appeared to make him any stronger, nor did he even try and use any of those powers he took back, so fuck knows why he did it.
 

Haruko

Member
I am gonna be a bit salty if this rush job is in fact on Jump's order.

I know this final arc has been going since... 2012?!

but still. This doesn't feel right. And for crying out loud, it's the OTHER manga ending next issue that gets the extended chapter? :/

Anyways, in memory of the good times, here's one of my favorite Bleach memes:

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AntraxSuicide I would read that.
Someone like you should have been behind Kubo to edit his mess.
And people claim editors aren't needed!

Thanks! And honestly, I lay a lot of blame for how this series went on bad editors. Because...


...holy hell, this should never have taken up a page. Waaaay too much of that shit happens here. Maybe Bleach should've been a seinen with monthly releases, and just longer chapters.
 

Piers

Member
The Stranger Things makes me realise that it's what I hoped Bleach would of been from issue 1.
(And in fairness, I believe Kubo wanted that kind of tone and story too before editors pushed him into Princess Rescue)
 
And we still have no real clue why he would even want to reabsorb the powers of the other quincies.

It's not like it appeared to make him any stronger, nor did he even try and use any of those powers he took back, so fuck knows why he did it.

There was a time in the arc where the entire point of the war was because he absorbed the powers of everyone, no matter who lived or died.

But then they didn't really explain why that mattered.
 
There was a time in the arc where the entire point of the war was because he absorbed the powers of everyone, no matter who lived or died.

But then they didn't really explain why that mattered.

It's because he has the power of D and it lets him absorb multiple Devil Fruit powers ze ha ha ha ha

Wait wrong story.

It's because he has a magic book, bookmark and seals on his hands that let him use up to two stolen nen powers from people he has previously defeated in battle, or even killed.

Wait wrong story.

Guess bleach just dun curr.
 
So now that it's the end, I wanted to see if I could go back and try to edit this series in a way that makes it better. I tried to keep to the rule that I would cut nothing entirely so as to keep to Kubo's outline. Arc by arc, this is what I'd do:

Those are some good suggestions. Cutting down the enemy Quincies to just Yhwach and his four main guys is particularly good, though I'd suggest swapping out the gladiator guy for Gremmy, and having him be the one generating fodder. That way, you have the mystery of where the hell all of these Quincies came from, and it turns out there are only a few and Gremmy was just using his power to make them, and you have sad backstory. This alternate story wouldn't focus on the fodder, they'd just be there to explain what the various weaker characters are doing.
 

Linkark07

Banned
I would actually leave Gin since he is the one Hitsugaya suspects "killed" Aizen. Who else would take that role if Gin disappears? Tousen can be erased though, what a waste of character. I would also keep Hiyori too, just for her relationship with Urahara and Mayuri. Dunno about Neliel though, I liked her plot with Nnoitra but she was underused mostly.

Overall, I liked your edit. It is infinitively better that what we got from Kubo, and it also leaves good closure to Ichigo family and human friends.
 

Gengahrrr

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It's honestly hilarious how much time was wasted on Gerard only for him to be unceremoniously taken out by his own leader in the middle of his fight

Same for Haschwalt. Remember Bazz B? He and Haschwalt had a few chapters dedicated to just their backstory for absolutely no reason. They're both dead and contributed nothing to the plot.
 
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Deleted member 13876

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Same for Haschwalt. Remember Bazz B? He and Haschwalt had a few chapters dedicated to just their backstory for absolutely no reason. They're both dead and contributed nothing to the plot.

They triiied to flesh out the Quincies a bit more, but those chapters just raised more questions that will never get answered.
 
Gin was needed to be the main suspect of the soul society arc. Scrap Tousen and Fox-face though (did they ever explain that?)

Gin's little spiel to Rukia about saving her still makes me laugh. Loved Gin.
 
I said this before, but this arc would have been better if Ywach was training Ichigo to make a better SS by the former cleaning out the old guard (Old Man), reminding them of their sins, and taking out the Soul King and replacing it with god knows what. Then, after all this fuckery, it's revealed that Ichigo was pushed to the limits in order to be worthy replacement, should SS ever dick around and be garbage again.

But no, Ywach is literally just crazy and dumb. So much potential lost.
 
I won't be able to read the chapter until I get home but... I'm not optimistic. I haven't seen this brought up, surprisingly, but I've been wondering... exactly when was Yhwach put under the effects of Kyouka Suigetsu? The condition for the hypnosis is that you witness Aizen release the blade. Exactly when did that happen? And how could Yhwach be caught by it with the Almighty?

I thought about this for a few minutes, and the conclusion I reached is that Yhwach must have been caught by it by virtue of the Almighty being all-seeing. Being physically present isn't necessary to fall under the hypnosis - Seeing it via future-sight is sufficient to entrap you.
Yhwach sees everything (except that one silver arrow), so he already saw Kyoka Suigetsu.
 

RK9039

Member
Gin was needed to be the main suspect of the soul society arc. Scrap Tousen and Fox-face though (did they ever explain that?)

Gin's little spiel to Rukia about saving her still makes me laugh. Loved Gin.

Fox-face had a pretty interesting story I thought. Fuck knows what happened to him after he got his ass beat.
 

Brickhunt

Member
My guess is that Kubo was expecting to finish the manga at chapter 700, but forgot about the Turn Back the Pendulum chapters that used negative numbers. If it is that, then it sucks that the editors didn't warn him beforehand.

That said, it's his damn fault for wasting so many chapters on the reiatsu gate and the Elite fights. Lille should had died before turning into a ultra mega chicken. Thor should had died when he got frozen and shattered by Byakuya. The editors should had acted and cut unnecessary stuff.
 

Luigi87

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My guess is that Kubo was expecting to finish the manga at chapter 700, but forgot about the Turn Back the Pendulum chapters that used negative numbers. If it is that, then it sucks that the editors didn't warn him beforehand.

That said, it's his damn fault for wasting so many chapters on the reiatsu gate and the Elite fights. Lille should had died before turning into a ultra mega chicken. Thor should had died when he got frozen and shattered by Byakuya. The editors should had acted and cut unnecessary stuff.

Hm, that does make a lot of sense.

... Amusingly, I think Turn Back the Pendulum was the last time I really enjoyed Bleach. It was just refreshing seeing those particular backstories.
 
Those are some good suggestions. Cutting down the enemy Quincies to just Yhwach and his four main guys is particularly good, though I'd suggest swapping out the gladiator guy for Gremmy, and having him be the one generating fodder. That way, you have the mystery of where the hell all of these Quincies came from, and it turns out there are only a few and Gremmy was just using his power to make them, and you have sad backstory. This alternate story wouldn't focus on the fodder, they'd just be there to explain what the various weaker characters are doing.

Yeah, I left which 4 open since I honestly don't know which I'd pick.

I can't abide cutting Gin, don't care if he was wasted, dude has my 2nd favorite bankai.

I would actually leave Gin since he is the one Hitsugaya suspects "killed" Aizen. Who else would take that role if Gin disappears? Tousen can be erased though, what a waste of character. I would also keep Hiyori too, just for her relationship with Urahara and Mayuri. Dunno about Neliel though, I liked her plot with Nnoitra but she was underused mostly.

Overall, I liked your edit. It is infinitively better that what we got from Kubo, and it also leaves good closure to Ichigo family and human friends.

Gin was needed to be the main suspect of the soul society arc. Scrap Tousen and Fox-face though (did they ever explain that?)

Gin's little spiel to Rukia about saving her still makes me laugh. Loved Gin.

I'd just replace Gin with Mayuri in that role though. It never sat well with me that SS is super rules oriented, and then one of their captains is a psycho with no suspicion thrown his way. I'd make people more suspicious of Mayuri as the traitor.
 

Moppeh

Banned
Less BS version of Bleach that is dope


I agree with Linkark, Gin should stay. Otherwise, great ideas. Reducing characters and increasing threat makes a whole lot of sense. Also, so many of the Quincies' powers should have been more OP than how they were portrayed, so getting rid of most of them is a good call.

Like, wasn't there some kid that was basically God but Kenpachi defeated him by intimidating him or something? Am I misremembering that?
 
I agree with Linkark, Gin should stay. Otherwise, great ideas. Reducing characters and increasing threat makes a whole lot of sense. Also, so many of the Quincies' powers should have been more OP than how they were portrayed, so getting rid of most of them is a good call.

Like, wasn't there some kid that was basically God but Kenpachi defeated him by intimidating him or something? Am I misremembering that?

Yeah, one of them had the power to control whatever they imagined, but they couldn't possibly imagine something stronger than Kenpachi, so he won.

Damn, you couldn't type a dumber sentence if you tried.

Didn't Aizen lose his sword when he became the butterfly?

I think he just merged with it.
 

Mael

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Yeah, one of them had the power to control whatever they imagined, but they couldn't possibly imagine something stronger than Kenpachi, so he won.

Damn, you couldn't type a dumber sentence if you tried.

It's actually worse than that,
He imagined Kenpachi so strong he never imagined something stronger than him.
It makes sense but the execution is shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiite.
I still like the idea of that kenpachi not being real and only being from Yachiru's imagination better.
Like being a counter from that guy's own power or something.
So many great ideas so easily squandered.
 

Linkark07

Banned
My guess is that Kubo was expecting to finish the manga at chapter 700, but forgot about the Turn Back the Pendulum chapters that used negative numbers. If it is that, then it sucks that the editors didn't warn him beforehand.

That said, it's his damn fault for wasting so many chapters on the reiatsu gate and the Elite fights. Lille should had died before turning into a ultra mega chicken. Thor should had died when he got frozen and shattered by Byakuya. The editors should had acted and cut unnecessary stuff.

I still laugh at the fact Ichigo left the Royal Palace for return to Soul Society and almost immediately he is forced to return to the Royal Palace.

Talking about editors, how they allowed Kubo to continue with his nonesense?
 
My guess is that Kubo was expecting to finish the manga at chapter 700, but forgot about the Turn Back the Pendulum chapters that used negative numbers. If it is that, then it sucks that the editors didn't warn him beforehand.

That said, it's his damn fault for wasting so many chapters on the reiatsu gate and the Elite fights. Lille should had died before turning into a ultra mega chicken. Thor should had died when he got frozen and shattered by Byakuya. The editors should had acted and cut unnecessary stuff.

My guess is that he thought he had more time, WSJ was like nah, your getting axed and no he has to rush. Incredibly sad WSJ would do such a thing considering this series has been going on for 15 years.
 

Ray Down

Banned
WSJ should be commended for ending this, Kubo would dragged this shit out till 2017 I bet if he wanted to.

He can just answer shit in side chapters or extra's in the final volume.
 

Linkark07

Banned
My guess is that he thought he had more time, WSJ was like nah, your getting axed and no he has to rush. Incredibly sad WSJ would do such a thing considering this series has been going on for 15 years.

Considering Kubo slow pacing and love for extending fights, the blame is all on Kubo. And his editors for allowing this.
 

jstripes

Banned
Well.
Aizen
better not be dead.
Aizen's gonna be the Soul King. Or he's "always been" the Soul King. You can bet on it.

Unless Kubo skips that because he wastes half the pages in the final chapter.

My guess is that he thought he had more time, WSJ was like nah, your getting axed and no he has to rush. Incredibly sad WSJ would do such a thing considering this series has been going on for 15 years.
Didn't they give another manga a completely unceremonious ending in recent years?

WSJ should be commended for ending this, Kubo would dragged this shit out till 2017 I bet if he wanted to.

Yup. Kubo had become a bad house guest that someone needed to start a NeoGAF thread about how to kick out.
 
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