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[Arrowgigantic]

we're told TLC believes the show has a strong, loyal evangelical base and so far support has not wavered.

Of course not, evangelicals are mostly perverts who are in it for the forgiveness. I mean, look at this story, BOTH the people Josh was sent to are top-tier sickos, what are the odds? Dan Savage has a WEEKLY article that collects the stories of sexual assault by ministers, youth pastors, etc. and it's usually more than one.

 

[PhoncipleBone]

Of course not, evangelicals are mostly perverts who are in it for the forgiveness. I mean, look at this story, BOTH the people Josh was sent to are top-tier sickos, what are the odds? Dan Savage has a WEEKLY article that collects the stories of sexual assault by ministers, youth pastors, etc. and it's usually more than one.

At first I thought that said Michael Savage and I did a double take.

 

[Dai101]

http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/23/19-kids-and-counting-josh-duggar-molestation-scandal-tlc-jill-jessa/

This is utter bullshit.

 

[Link]

Just because someone asks for forgiveness from God, doesn't mean they'll receive it. They need to repent. God's mercy does run out and shouldn't be taken for granted/taken advantage of.





Confess vs. Repent. What's the difference?:


https://youtu.be/sz4AD_Lh96U

So who gets to decide who got forgiven? Huckabee? The other disgusting people his father knows? If you ask God for forgiveness, touching little girls is fine? This is all such arbitrary bullshit; I can't believe it's still so popular.

http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/23/19-kids-and-counting-josh-duggar-molestation-scandal-tlc-jill-jessa/

Once all the sponsors pull out, it's not going to matter what TLC wants.

 

[Kinsei]

http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/23/19-kids-and-counting-josh-duggar-molestation-scandal-tlc-jill-jessa/

What the fuck.

 

[EdibleKnife]

Once all the sponsors pull out, it's not going to matter what TLC wants.

Hoping this does happen. Just on a base level, unless they vet absolutely every interaction within and outside the family, Josh is gonna come up as a subject in some fashion. They have 20 other subjects to follow I guess but still begging TLC to do the right thing and not only stop this show but scour everyone they have and plan on putting on TV from here on

 

[Drifters]

We like ratings so fuck people who have been abused and mistreated.

 

[Kinsei]

We like ratings so fuck people who have been abused and mistreated.

Doesn't their name stand for The Learning Channel?

I guess we've all learned a lesson from this. If your parents are rich you can get away with molestation with only a slap on the wrist so long as they try to cover it up. It's not like he'd stop getting money from the show if he was kicked off. Mommy and Daddy will clearly give him money if he asks.

 

[Drifters]

Doesn't their name stand for The Learning Channel?

I guess we've all learned a lesson from this. If your parents are rich you can get away with molestation so long as they try to cover it up.

More in jest of their take on the acronym given that they are appealing to a base that will swiftly sweep this under the rug.

 

[Dai101]

I guess we've all learned a lesson from this. If your parents are rich you can get away with molestation with only a slap on the wrist so long as they try to cover it up. It's not like he'd stop getting money from the show if he was kicked off. Mommy and Daddy will clearly give him money if he asks.

You forgot white and christian.

 

[Ayt]

This rabbit hole goes to the depths of the earth.

http://www.slate.com/blogs/xx_facto...string_of_sex_abuse_scandals_rocking_the.html

The family's faith healer/mentor Bill Gothard resigned last year after allegations from 30 women of sexual harassment and abuse. Josh attended his center for treatment after he was discovered.

Considering how these people view women, I imagine abuse is fairly common.

 

[SURGEdude]

Considering how these people view women, I imagine abuse is fairly common.

If you read some of that guy's stuff it's not clear that he believes women can even be abused.

 

[Savitar]

Even worse, anything done wrong can be fixed by simply claiming they will pray to God and with his help they will be redeemed.

Ain't that swell.

One hell of a get out of jail card.

 

[Officerrob]

http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/23/19-kids-and-counting-josh-duggar-molestation-scandal-tlc-jill-jessa/

We will see... I want to see the list of companies still willing to advertise on this show. They might still be able to pull in the "put your money in gold coins" type garbage some Fox News shows get, but no way the big time sponsors come back

 

[IceCold]

This is disgusting. Fuck TLC, what a shit show of a channel.

At the same time, I'm not super surprised at this. It seems to me that extremely religious people tend to have a couple of skeletons in their closet. I don't know if it's their extremely sheltered upbringing or something in the water, but I have a hard time trusting someone who's always smiling and dropping the word 'God' in every sentence. No one is that pious.

 

[Stinkles]

From Adam to now people have believed in the Trinity/God. So it isn't just 2000 years old.

In the Old Testament they were waiting for the Messiah Jesus Christ and now we are waiting for his return because he came 2000 years ago to die on the cross.



The Trinity in the Old Testament:


https://youtu.be/BNt5NKSse0Y

Um, yeah, all that is made up to begin with, so the idea of Christianity being "hidden" in pre Christian religions is bonkers within bonkers.

 

[davepoobond]

I think the parents are just as culpable in this whole thing, removing only the molestor seems to excuse the coverup and indirectly the victimization.

 

[kess]

From Adam to now people have believed in the Trinity/God. So it isn't just 2000 years old.

In the Old Testament they were waiting for the Messiah Jesus Christ and now we are waiting for his return because he came 2000 years ago to die on the cross.

The Trinity in the Old Testament:

https://youtu.be/BNt5NKSse0Y

What about the forms of Christianity that reject trinitarianism? And, following this mode of thinking, what surety is there that Christianity is not merely another evolutionary point between religions? Fundamentalist sects will reject such notions of universalism on similar lines.

Somehow I doubt that the Duggars ever gave much thought to things like Dyophysitism or what Athanasius of Alexandria had to say 1700 years ago.

 

[mo60]

So who gets to decide who got forgiven? Huckabee? The other disgusting people his father knows? If you ask God for forgiveness, touching little girls is fine? This is all such arbitrary bullshit; I can't believe it's still so popular.

Once all the sponsors pull out, it's not going to matter what TLC wants.

People are going to have pressure advertisers and sponsors of the show to pull out to get it canceled if it comes back.I would love if they removed the parents and Josh from the show and keep the girls by creating a spinoff for example, but I don't think that would work.

 

[NeoXChaos]

People are going to have pressure advertisers and sponsors of the show to pull out to get it canceled if it comes back.I would love if they removed the parents and Josh from the show and keep the girls by creating a spinoff for example, but I don't think that would work.

one of the children is bound to be the "one" to escape from their way of life. Its just a matter of when but its possible I'm wrong. Didn't the parents live a normal life and went to public school before they joined this group as adults?

 

[PlayALLtheGames]

Just because someone asks for forgiveness from God, doesn't mean they'll receive it. They need to repent. God's mercy does run out and shouldn't be taken for granted/taken advantage of.





Confess vs. Repent. What's the difference?:


https://youtu.be/sz4AD_Lh96U

Completely missing the point while e-preaching; great.

My point was about this being a crime.

 

[mo60]

one of the children is bound to be the "one" to escape from their way of life. Its just a matter of when but its possible I'm wrong. Didn't the parents live a normal life and went to public school before they joined this group as adults?

Didn't one of them try to escape to go to college or something, but her dad never let her. According to this that girl was Jana Duggar.
http://www.inquisitr.com/1920679/ja...-responds-to-report-that-janas-breaking-free/
Also if I remember Joesph Duggar actually moved away from the family
I do hope one of the girls at least moves away from the family one day.I do know one of the girls sometimes has issues with Jim Bob.

 

[somebodyelseathome]

So who gets to decide who got forgiven? Huckabee? The other disgusting people his father knows? If you ask God for forgiveness, touching little girls is fine? This is all such arbitrary bullshit; I can't believe it's still so popular.

Once all the sponsors pull out, it's not going to matter what TLC wants.

Just because a person is forgiven by another person or God, doesn't mean they avoid punishment depending on the context. There's nothing stopping someone for having complete mercy on someone for their transgressions the person did to them.
Like the story with David and his son. David repented of his actions, but still received punishment.

While with the story about Jonah going Nineveh on God's behalf and they repented for their transgressions of worshipping idols and other deeds. God had complete mercy on them and didn't punish them even though John expected God to punish them.



I'm sure everyone here has forgiven someone and had mercy on that person so that person got to avoid the consequences. while other times they forgave a person but that person still had to receive some type of consequence for their actions.

Like I said God's mercy does run out and shouldn't be taken advantage of/taken for granted. Example of this is king Ahab and Queen Jezebel from the Bible.


"For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. " - Ephesians 4:32 (ESV)


"So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other. Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples.” " - John 13:34-35 (NLT)

 

[Pelydr]

Stay fucked up Christians. Forgive a guy who molested his sisters? Of course! Let gay people get married? NEVER!

 

[Link]

Just because a person is forgiven by another person or God, doesn't mean they avoid punishment depending on the context. There's nothing stopping someone for having complete mercy on someone for their transgressions the person did to them.
Like the story with David and his son. David repented of his actions, but still received punishment.

While with the story about Jonah going Nineveh on God's behalf and they repented for their transgressions of worshipping idols and other deeds. God had complete mercy on them and didn't punish them even though John expected God to punish them.



I'm sure everyone here has forgiven someone and had mercy on that person so that person got to avoid the consequences. while other times they forgave a person but that person still had to receive some type of consequence for their actions.

Like I said God's mercy does run out and shouldn't be taken advantage of/taken for granted. Example of this is king Ahab and Queen Jezebel from the Bible.


"For if you forgive others their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you, but if you do not forgive others their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. " - Ephesians 4:32 (ESV)


"So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other. Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples.” " - John 13:34-35 (NLT)

So when is it ok to molest kids?

 

[Samara]

Stay fucked up Christians. Forgive a guy who molested his sisters? Of course! Let gay people get married? NEVER!

ugh. Can we not.

Who says that it has to absolutely be because they believe in God that they forgive their molester?

 

[bengraven]

Stay fucked up Christians. Forgive a guy who molested his sisters? Of course! Let gay people get married? NEVER!

Let homeless children starve but ensure they're born no matter what.

 

[somebodyelseathome]

What about the forms of Christianity that reject trinitarianism? And, following this mode of thinking, what surety is there that Christianity is not merely another evolutionary point between religions? Fundamentalist sects will reject such notions of universalism on similar lines.

Somehow I doubt that the Duggars ever gave much thought to things like Dyophysitism or what Athanasius of Alexandria had to say 1700 years ago.

Depending on their beliefs it could be a Salvation issue, but most likely not, since I haven't done that much research into denominations of Christianity that don't believe in the Trinity. So I couldn't give a concrete answer.

I guess if they believe in what Jesus did for them and with the Holy Spirit has done, God's done, but they just believe in a different version of them like three different forms of God, instead of three coexisting beings could just be a secondary issue and not a salvation issue. Kind like how certain Christians don't allow instruments and some do. That's a secondary issue. Even though throughout the bible characters used instruments in the old and new testament worship. Biggest examples of this is David and people in Revelation.

 

[Dai101]

Who says that it has to absolutely be because they believe in God that they forgive their molester?

Probably because all what they eat, think, breathe, speak, hate, comes from it?

 

[kess]

And here's a little blast from the not so distant past:

Hello, this is Michelle Duggar. I’m calling to inform you of some shocking news that would affect the safety of Northwest Arkansas women and children. The Fayetteville City Council is voting on an ordinance this Tuesday night that would allow men – yes I said men – to use women's and girls' restrooms, locker rooms, showers, sleeping areas and other areas that are designated for females only. I don’t believe the citizens of Fayetteville would want males with past child predator convictions that claim they are female to have a legal right to enter private areas that are reserved for women and girls. I doubt that Fayetteville parents would stand for a law that would endanger their daughters or allow them to be traumatized by a man joining them in their private space. We should never place the preference of an adult over the safety and innocence of a child. Parents, who do you want undressing next to your daughter at the public swimming pool’s private changing area? I still believe that we are a society that puts women and children first. Women, young ladies and little girls deserve to use the restroom or any other facility in peace and safety.

 

[somebodyelseathome]

So when is it ok to molest kids?

I think your missing the point. People need to forgive others, but doesn't mean the actions a person(s) did were right to do and most likely should receive some type of consequence for their actions.

People reap what they sow. So something going to happen regardless because of those actions whether it's from God doing something or people doing something, but in the end God controls everything. Doesn't mean people can just do anything and avoid all consequences.

 

[Wilsongt]

And here's a little blast from the not so distant past:

Putting women and children first... Except when it's your son molesting them, then you put him first and tell your girls to pray it away.

 

[Link]

I think your missing the point. People need to forgive others, but doesn't mean the actions a person(s) did were right to do and most likely should receive some type of consequence for their actions.

People reap what they sow. So something going to happen regardless because of those actions whether it's from God doing something or people doing something, but in the end God controls everything. Doesn't mean people can just do anything and avoid all consequences.

So it's totally cool that he got away with all this because some mythical man in the sky will punish him? Unless he prays enough to avoid that too? Sorry, I'm not willing to subscribe to that garbage.

 

[cameron]

Didn't one of them try to escape to go to college or something, but her dad never let her. According to this that girl was Jana Duggar.
http://www.inquisitr.com/1920679/ja...-responds-to-report-that-janas-breaking-free/

From the link:

Jana and her twin John David might be exactly the same age, but their lives couldn’t be any more different. According to Michelle Duggar’s TLC blog, John David is a licensed pilot and a constable. He’s also worked at Duggar Towing. Jana and her sisters have never been provided with opportunities like these that allow them to leave home without an accountability partner.

So the girls/women are basically stuck in that shithole? It says Jana Duggar was 25 when she thought about going to college but it never materialized. People are okay with this Christian patriarchy nonsense? This shit, the anti-LGBT rhetoric, and now the child abuse; the existence of an audience large enough for this to be a profitable nonfictional show just blows my mind.

 

[Wilsongt]

From the link:


So the girls/women are basically stuck in that shithole? It says Jana Duggar was 25 when she thought about going to college but it never materialized. People are okay with this Christian patriarchy nonsense? This shit, the anti-LGBT rhetoric, and now the child abuse; the existence of an audience large enough for this to be a profitable nonfictional show just blows my mind.

Woman obey men in a good, Christian home.

But, there home seems definitely more cult like.

 

[mo60]

From the link:


So the girls/women are basically stuck in that shithole? It says Jana Duggar was 25 when she thought about going to college but it never materialized. People are okay with this Christian patriarchy nonsense? This shit, the anti-LGBT rhetoric, and now the child abuse; the existence of an audience large enough for this to be a profitable nonfictional show just blows my mind.

Maybe the show will not make TLC that much profit after this incident because of this and they eventually decide to get rid of the show for good if they bring it back. I don't think this will end up happening and I do think the show will be profitable for the TLC still after everything I read lately related to this incident.

 

[airmangataosenai]

Before this news I'd never heard of this show, but given the level of coverage it was insanely popular?

 

[Dai101]

Before this news I'd never heard of this show, but given the level of coverage it was insanely popular?

I bet is so much that tlc is willing to test if they can keep it running with some changes.

"19 Kids and Counting" may survive the Josh Duggar molestation scandal, but Josh might not.

Connected industry sources tell TMZ, TLC is considering a number of options, weighing the pros and cons. One is to cancel the show outright, the other is to just go full steam ahead, but there is real talk about continuing without Josh.

As for cancelling the show, our sources say there is significant concern that big advertisers will bail. TMZ broke the story, General Mills has already pulled the plug.

On the other hand, we're told TLC believes the show has a strong, loyal evangelical base and so far support has not wavered.

But removing Josh could be a good middle ground for TLC.

http://www.tmz.com/2015/05/23/19-kids-and-counting-josh-duggar-molestation-scandal-tlc-jill-jessa/

 

[Prototype Viktor]

That is not what I said. They understand it is wrong but they do not understand the ramifications of their actions. Same if a 14 yr old murders someone. They are not tried as adults.

They aren't generally charged as an adult. But the difference is usual a 14 yr getting sentence only murders once/one. If they do it multiple times thier pretty much adult charges same with what this should be

 

[Hazmat]

This might have been posted (and sorry if it has), but if you wanted to see some of the RNC presidential hopefuls take pictures with a creep that molested his sisters, here you go:

http://boingboing.net/2015/05/22/josh-duggar-poses-with-his-imp.html

I know it's kind of cheap, because he was "famous" and they didn't know that he was a "child molester" yet, but when your bench has a high enough percentage of creeps that this happens, maybe you need a better farm system. Also, Jeb knew something was up:

 

[Ninja Scooter]

Why do I get the feeling that all the people who tried to tie Obama by association to his "crazy pastor" and Bill Ayers will remain silent on this one.

 

[Thunder Monkey]

Can't even drop kick a puppy without hitting a white pedophile.

I don't know how much you know about white evangelical culture, but I'm an expert...

Ok, no joking now. I don't care what someone's religious beliefs are. They can believe any kind of mythical bullshit they want. They can believe truly hateful disgusting garbage for all I care.

The very second it infringes on another persons rights. The second it's used to cover the abuse of children. They have no excuse in my eyes. Believe what you want in silence. Use it to marginalize, abuse, and you are an enemy to the common good.

And you get no leeway from me. You get no respite. You become a disease on our very existence. Largest of boils on the ass-cheek of society.

Why do I get the feeling that all the people who tried to tie Obama by association to his "crazy pastor" and Bill Ayers will remain silent on this one.

Well that's a bit different and I think we all know why...

Yes I really dislike white people. Yes I'm white. But it doesn't take a genius to see how fucked up we've made this society. Standards for white anyone are very different from everyone else. I broke windows as a child playing with a realistic BB gun, never got shot. When I was young and stupid I drunkenly argued with cops, never got shot. I can walk down the street stinking of pot, long hippy hair, never get searched.

It invades every aspect of this society, from the poor to the president and everywhere in between.

So no, they won't act like Jeb being in the presence of a monster means anything. Because a white christian extremist pervert isn't as "scary" as a black pastor. And Ayers doesn't scare them, as much as our black president being in his presence. It's one thing for a white person to think "radical" things. It's another entirely in this society for Obama to.

Sorry for ranting guys. I've been letting some of this anger build for too many days. Needed to get it out.

 

[SolicitorPirate]

Did someone take them away? You just can't have your beliefs for someone other than you, and you can't expect others to pat you on the back. Your beliefs are terrible. You can have them, and that's all you get.

Do you understannnnnnnndu

Man, JoJo shows up in the weirdest places.

On topic, fuck TLC, fuck the Duggars.

 

[Ke0]

Man, JoJo shows up in the weirdest places.

On topic, fuck TLC, fuck the Duggars.

I always think of Benimaru's victory pose and quote from King of Fighters.

 

[lednerg]

This might have been posted (and sorry if it has), but if you wanted to see some of the RNC presidential hopefuls take pictures with a creep that molested his sisters, here you go:

http://boingboing.net/2015/05/22/josh-duggar-poses-with-his-imp.html

I know it's kind of cheap, because he was "famous" and they didn't know that he was a "child molester" yet, but when your bench has a high enough percentage of creeps that this happens, maybe you need a better farm system. Also, Jeb knew something was up:

Josh Duggar @joshduggar May 6
Great meeting today w @SenTedCruz. He always conveys passion for America & the importance of faith, family & freedom!​

Like you said, they didn't know he was a child molester, and I don't want to make unfair assertions. But it interesting, nonetheless.

 

[dabig2]

Why do I get the feeling that all the people who tried to tie Obama by association to his "crazy pastor" and Bill Ayers will remain silent on this one.

Well, this dude only assaulted his sisters who are girls. But Rev. Wright out right said he didn't like his country; and as a god fearing American male, I can never tolerate that sort of injustice.

 

[CharminUltra]

Ted Cruz's face is remarkably punchable.

 

[SURGEdude]

Ted Cruz's face is remarkably punchable.

Amen.

 

[jfoul]

Pretty gross.

I'm wondering how this will play out since he was 15 at the time.

 

[mo60]

Pretty gross.

I'm wondering how this will play out since he was 15 at the time.

Nothing will happen in terms of getting the guy to go to to jail.The police report related to what he did was already destroyed. This will definitely hurt the show a bit, but it will most likely have a lot of support from people still(sadly). The guy will probably not be in the show anymore since TLC will think he will ruin the show's reputation a lot more if he stays in the show and because two of the girls are way more popular than the guy. I'm not sure if TLC will decide to cancel the show anymore anyway,