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Tom Warren “Sony’s PS5 sales down 29% yoy in the recent Q” (forecast FY24 to be lower than FY23)
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ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Yeah, could see the author of this take from a mile away
Thick Thighs Save Lives
NeoGAF's Physical Games Advocate Extraordinaire
We already have the numbers for FY 23 ending March 31 reported here:
www.neogaf.com
Sales-Age - Jim's Legacy: (LTD) PS5 59.3 m | (YTD) PS5 4.5m, NSW 1.96m, XBS 0.8 m; Profit G&NS 700$ m , Nintendo $426 m, Activision ($350)
Jim Ryan's era has come to an end: 1.LTD (Launch Aligned) PS4 60.1 m PS5 59.3 m (FY23: 20.8 m) PS2 53.85 m 2.US LTD (March) 2024 PS5 20.16 m 2017 PS4 18.50 m 3.JP LTD (March) 2024 PS5 5.46 m 2017 PS4 4.53 m 4.YTD Hardware PS5 4.5 m NSW 1.96 m XBS 0.8 m 5.YTD Sales...
panda-zebra
Member
My day wouldn't have been complete without Warrin's spin on the numbers.
It's under 1M behind with the Pro yet to arrive.
sankt-Antonio
:^)--?-<
Doesn't surprise me, there are no PS5 only / non -crossgen heavy hitters released by their big studios.
Zathalus
Member
And the forecast from Sony will still have them trailing the PS4 at the end of the next financial year, and that includes the launch of the new Pro.
I'm not saying it will, but that is the forecast Sony put out.
Ogbert
Member
He’s reporting Sony’s own numbers.
Spitfire098
Member
Could be worse 
Varteras
Member
Could be worse
balls of snow
Gold Member
No games will do that to you.
IDKFA
I am Become Bilbo Baggins
I have a PS5. It has plenty of games.
Fabieter
Member
Its pretty bad to have your console decline so fast into a generation but than again they failed so miserably last FY that it cost them a few billions in value. So low-balling the sales is probably a good idea.
Zathalus
Member
They had plenty of good console exclusives this past year though. FF16, Spider-Man 2, Helldivers 2, Rise of the Ronin, Stellar Blade, and FF7 Rebirth.
Zathalus
Member
It follows the PS4 sales trend, around this time PS4 sales declined yearly as well. I think Sony assumed that demand would pick up after the initial shortages but it doesn't look like it has. A price drop could probably do it, but it appears Sony wants to make a profit on console sales.
PS4/PS5 sales look close though.
Fabieter
Member
Well sony need to understand that at this point they can go day and date. Not that exclusive aint working (they are, you see thar with nintendo but if consumers know all these games are coming to another platform most will just wait it out. And people are super aware these days. I know there is fomo but if you surive the first two weeks that's gone
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ZehDon
Member
Not really - Sony revised its expectations down, meaning they missed their hardware estimates. That's not "spin" so much as it is "Sony says it didn't meet its own expectations and here's by how much".
ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
vaibhavpisal
Member
It doesn’t need to reach PS4 numbers.
They have a much bigger install base now with PC versions coming in.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Imagine not knowing what you're talking about but having the confidence that you do..
Console sales always slow during a generation, it's part of the standard product life cycle. That being said as far as developers are concerned, userbase are only growing. While hardware sales slow down, software sales pick up.
Heaven Angel
Member
As PS5 pro news started to enter, also PS4 had jam packed great exclusives than PS5 has right now. Although many of PS5 exclusives are amazing but major studio's are still lacking to drop good stuffs. Sony need to work on that asap.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
This disingenuous use of percentages for headlines is insane.
PS4 annual sales for comparison:
Draw your own conclusions.
So many factors that people aren't considering when comparing ps4 and ps5 and it's certainly done on purpose.
- PS4 dropped in price in year 3
- PS4 got a midgen refresh in year 3
- PS4's sales potential was cut off at the tail end of its product life cycle due to the pandemic
- PS5 had a pandemic restraining supply chain
- PS5 has increased in price in year 3
- PS5 isn't getting a midgen refresh until year 4
- At some point the PS5 will probably drop in price
- GTA6 is going to sell more PS5s than any game sold PS4s
- PS5 will have a longer tail unless there is another pandemic
I can't envision a scenario in which the PS5 doesn't outsell the PS4. Maybe if it stays 500 dollars for its entire product life cycle.
John Wick
Member
What is the profit for the whole group?
Zathalus
Member
Sony themselves don't think it will catch up by next year though. They expect the gap to actually widen. It could be that the tail end of PS5 drops less then PS4, but I have no idea.
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anothertech
Member
This motherfucker couldn't be more obtuse.
Must be tired of waiting for the Xbox going third party announcement.
Must be tired of waiting for the Xbox going third party announcement.
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Do you expect the PS5 to be discontinued at the end of this fiscal year?
Again, GTA6 isn't coming out this fiscal year. Their expectations for PS5s will be greater than PS4 launch aligned from FY25. And the PS4 was abruptly discontinued in 2020, so you have a sharp decrease in sales in FY20 and FY21.
The PS4 Pro was the same price as the PS5 Digital at launch. The Pro was immediately discontinued and the 300 dollar PS4 never got another price cut nor did it get additional units created despite cross gen plans.
GHG
Member
Sony has their best quarter ever, but missed their target
Xbox podcasts : Sony is over, how are they going to recover ?
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You know what, let them run with it.
Wrong about everything, always made to look foolish but they still continue. It's what they deserve.
Zathalus
Member
I'm just repeating what Sony is expecting. They are forecasting the PS5 to be 1.9 million units behind the PS4 end of next financial year. Could GTA6 and a price cut make up that difference? Probably, but it really is difficult to say with changing market conditions. The ongoing changes at Xbox probably play a role, it could be millions flock to PS5 due to that debacle. Or not, but it certainly will be interesting to watch.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
I don't think it will, and with Xbox severely down it's going to be the worst generation for consoles in a while.
This disingenuous use of percentages for headlines is insane.
PS4 annual sales for comparison:
Draw your own conclusions.
Could you share the PS5 equivalent? PS5 has beaten year 3 by exactly 3 million units but is forecasting a 1.4 million drop for next year, if they then see a drop for year 5...Bad times.
I think it's time to face the reality that years of arguing warring fanboys have held onto the thought that a lost sale for Xbox is a sale gained for Playstation or visa versa. The reality is far from it.
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HeWhoWalks
Gold Member
There’s only one console (technically two
), and brand, having bad times. Everybody else is just fine.
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ShaiKhulud1989
Gold Member
Xbox is not the industry. Both PS5 and Swtich (for it's age) are doing fantastic. Pro+GTA 6+Switch 2 will boost the market yet again.
It's bad to be Xbox though, so the silly spin from Warren is understandable.
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DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
There’s only one console (technically two
Maybe, you haven't quite understood what I am saying here. I am saying Xbox flatlining, and these users are not going to Playstation. The market is shrinking drastically. If Sony see's further declines over the next few years its going to be bad for the games industry. They need to deliver some serious system selling games to push sales. Channels are stuffed with stock, shipments are slowing. Games cost magnitudes more to develop than they did on PS4, they can't just match PS4 sales in both software and hardware. Let's see what the future brings but the industry is far from "Fine"
GHG
Member
Who said this? Or is it stories made up in your head? Please go ahead and quote them.
Also, the PS5 equivalent is in the OP and in the other thread covering this topic:
Sales-Age - Jim's Legacy: (LTD) PS5 59.3 m | (YTD) PS5 4.5m, NSW 1.96m, XBS 0.8 m; Profit G&NS 700$ m , Nintendo $426 m, Activision ($350)
Jim Ryan's era has come to an end: 1.LTD (Launch Aligned) PS4 60.1 m PS5 59.3 m (FY23: 20.8 m) PS2 53.85 m 2.US LTD (March) 2024 PS5 20.16 m 2017 PS4 18.50 m 3.JP LTD (March) 2024 PS5 5.46 m 2017 PS4 4.53 m 4.YTD Hardware PS5 4.5 m NSW 1.96 m XBS 0.8 m 5.YTD Sales...
Silver Wattle
Gold Member
The system sellers are few and far between this gen, look at GTA, the last game released on PS3 ffs.
King Dazzar
Member
The figures look healthy to me, when considering where we are in terms of product life. If they hit this years target of 18m, then YOY, sales will have only decreased by 13.5%, following a very healthy previous year. Interesting Christmas quarter to come, with the Pro due for release.
Warren's just flying his true colours today.
Warren's just flying his true colours today.
Varteras
Member
I'm most curious about how the combination of a Pro model and GTA6 will impact sales. Sony also seems to persist with the idea that Concord is releasing this year. Being a lot of former Bungie devs, it's definitely worth keeping an eye on and we should actually be seeing it soon.
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