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[Jirotrom]

It is understandble in the same way that it is understandable when an arrogant kid gets punched in the mouth on his elementary school playground. "Understandable" in a certain sense, but hardly reasonable or worthwhile.

It is just too bad that people get caught up in this stuff. We should want all games to be good and fun. That's the whole point of video games. They're supposed to be fucking fun. I don't understand why someone would have more fun mocking a bad game than playing a good one; but that's the only thing that can make sense of some of this stuff that is going on with Too Human.

As far as I can tell, Too Human will do a solid job of feeding my craving for multiplayer loot whoring. Sounds fun. Sounds far from perfect, but sounds fun.

I agree... but its the internet and thats just how it is. Honestly I doubt there would be any backlash at all id Dyack had just kept his mouth shut or if he had been more modest. I understand the want to sell your product but he isn't very good at that.

 

[border]

For those of you bitching about not having a good loot game:

PLAY DIABLO 2

PLAY DIABLO 2

PLAY DIABLO 2

PLAY DIABLO 2

PLAY DIABLO 2

PLAY DIABLO 2

PLAY DIABLO 2

Looks like puke on flat-panel monitor, sadly. I've been told to play it window'ed, but if it's a choice between HD Too Human and Diablo in a 5"x5" box I'll probably play Too Human.

 

[Dirtbag]

Of course, I've played it and liked it... but that doesn't give me a feel for the entire game and how it plays at higher levels. Also what about the people that have no desire to play the game, but just want to laugh at the scores?

 

[Won]

Of course, I've played it and liked it... but that doesn't give me a feel for the entire game and how it plays at higher levels. Also what about the people that have no access to the demo?

Well if you don't have acces to the mighty internets of Xbox Live, you also don't really visit 1up anyway.

And it gave me a pretty good feel for the game. You can play all classes and you get through half of the skill trees. The rest of the game is the demo x10.

If you liked it you will like the full game x10. If you hated it....well....yeah....C-

 

[Tom Penny]

It's not a good action game or RPG. If you don't like those genres maybe it's good.

 

[Kyoufu]

People should've bought Monster Hunter (PS2) in the west. Then they wouldn't have bitched about a good loot game for consoles.

 

[sprsk]

People should've bought Monster Hunter (PS2) in the west. Then they wouldn't have bitched about a good loot game for consoles.

Word.

 

[Arde5643]

Wow, a thread about a review for Too Human can go to 6+ pages?

Never change, Gaf. Never change. :lol

 

[Classic_Gs]

It's not a good action game or RPG. If you don't like those genres maybe it's good.

:lol

 

[Dirtbag]

Wow, a thread about a review for Too Human can go to 6+ pages?

Never change, Gaf. Never change. :lol

This is just getting warmed up baby. We apparantly have 2 more glowing reviews coming from 1up.

 

[Macattk15]

The only thing ruining Lair were the controls .... has anyone gone back and played since the patch allowing analog control? It made the game better at least.

The game's story and such were not horrible as Too Human is seemingly going to be (according to reviews).

 

[Farnack]

I'm so glad this thread came about. :lol

The lack of posts on the official thread was indicative of its failure. I was so excited for these reviews to come.

And also Too Human seems to function as a game. Lair is just a huge mess of code and polygons.

Lair was a perfectly working game.

 

[Slamo]

The only thing ruining Lair were the controls

No.

has anyone gone back and played since the patch allowing analog control? It made the game better at least.

No it didn't.

/rant

 

[Arde5643]

Lair was a perfectly "working" game.

In the minds of its creators, sure, why not? :lol

 

[NinajHeartless]

I'm so glad this thread came about. :lol

The lack of posts on the official thread was indicative of its failure. I was so excited for these reviews to come.

Lair was a perfectly working game.

8 out of 10 times ja?

I kid I kid

 

[Bust Nak]

*sigh*

When will GAF learn, different games different reviewers. "1up" is not a comittee.

While I see your point here because the game is from a different genre, but with games of the same genre at least (and idealy with any game,) scores from different reviewers from the same publication should be comparable. That's one of the job of the editor, to make sure reviews are consistance accross the board no matter who did the review. I found consistancy sadly lacking in gaming sites that I cared to read including 1up.

 

[Francias Castiglione]

I'm so glad this thread came about. :lol

The lack of posts on the official thread was indicative of its failure. I was so excited for these reviews to come.

Lair was a perfectly working game.

The lack of posts in the official thread are more to do with the lack of released game.

Lair was a piece of shit that seemingly had one stated aim, make the PS3 look super powerful by running in native 1080p. It failed that miserably.

 

[sprsk]

While I see your point here because the game is from a different genre, but with games of the same genre at least (and idealy with any game,) scores from different reviewers from the same publication should be comparable. That's one of the job of the editor, to make sure reviews are consistance accross the board no matter who did the review. I found consistancy sadly lacking in gaming sites that I cared to read including 1up.

No it's not, what?

 

[Spirit of Jazz]

*sigh*

When will GAF learn, different games different reviewers. "1up" is not a comittee.

By that logic shouldn't GAF learn with no objective standard reviews mean shit, they should play the game and learn if they like a title for themselves rather than go on about how bad a game is because of what someone else thinks?

 

[Dazzyman]

Another review here with <<<<SHOCK>>>> actual information and description :lol

Cant gauge the score as never heard of em but at least I know more than before unlike the 1up one
http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Too_Human_Xbox_360_Review/3301

Lair looked bad from early vids for me always did and then they made it worse with the controls. Haze you need to take drugs to forget the crap experience your playing

Least next few days we should get a proper gauge if Too Human is anygood or not one way or the other. Myself I expect an average of 7 of solid but repeative.

 

[Dirtbag]

Why are we talking about Lair in here again?

 

[Kittonwy]

For people who do not wish to get banned for clogging up the official thread. This thread does allow discussion of the debacle surrounding Too Human and Dyack. 1UP just posted their review

http://www.1up.com/do/reviewPage?cId=3169393











C-

Emphasis theirs. For reference 1UP gave Lair C+ and Haze a D+.

Gameinformer is the only other major media outlet to post a review. They gave it 6.75, with Lair getting 7.25 and Haze getting 6.25.

As Alfred would like to say: I told you so.

And I'm GLAD Giancarlo was the one reviewing the game instead of Shane or anyone from 1UP who "hung out" with Dyack. TBH there's WAY too much smooching with developers to keep things as objective as possible.

 

[rollingstart]

Lair was a perfectly working game.

To be fair, I only played the demo, but I did play it once with motion controls and once with analog, and both times it was very bad.

I enjoyed the Too Human demo a bit, as I did the Haze demo, but not enough to consider buying them.

 

[Farnack]

The lack of posts in the official thread are more to do with the lack of released game.

Lair was a piece of shit that seemingly had one stated aim, make the PS3 look super powerful by running in native 1080p. It failed that miserably.

The lack of release? You should probably look back at many other official game threads prior to their release. I bet even an XBLA game can garner more interest.

And Lair's dragon modeling was great, animations were great. It only had framerate dips and anything on the ground looked bad from a distance.

The only thing you could really complain about was the framerate and controls. The reviewers justified that in their score, but Lair is certainly not worse than Too Human, which fails in all aspects.

 

[SaggyMonkey]

Wow, a thread about a review for Too Human can go to 6+ pages?

Never change, Gaf. Never change. :lol

Careful, last time I noted how long a thread was... i got banned for a month!

 

[Arde5643]

The lack of release? You should probably look back at many other official game threads prior to their release. I bet even an XBLA game can garner more interest.

And Lair's dragon modeling was great, animations were great. It only had framerate dips and anything on the ground looked bad from a distance.

The only thing you could really complain about was the framerate and controls. The reviewers justified that in their score, but Lair is certainly not worse than Too Human, which fails in all aspects.

Defending shit from shit is not a really good praise in terms of Lair.

Lair's new tagline:

Better than that Too Human!

 

[Flunkie]

Another review here with <<<<SHOCK>>>> actual information and description :lol

Cant gauge the score as never heard of em but at least I know more than before unlike the 1up one
http://www.thehdroom.com/news/Too_Human_Xbox_360_Review/3301

Lair looked bad from early vids for me always did and then they made it worse with the controls. Haze you need to take drugs to forget the crap experience your playing

Least next few days we should get a proper gauge if Too Human is anygood or not one way or the other. Myself I expect an average of 7 of solid but repeative.

I've never even heard of that site.

 

[AzerPhire]

Wow that was a poorly written review from a site like 1up. Sounds more like a forum or blog post. It almost seemed liked he hadn't even played the full game or at least rushed through 1 play through.

I will wait for more informative reviews before writing the game off.

 

[master15]

This is spot on. Denis brought on all the hate and hyped the hate up with his for or against stunt and then the subsequent 1up interview/experiment nonsense. The reason people have a personal interest in this game failing is because Dyack himself dared us to wish for its failure. For or against and the belligerent nonsense about the so called experiment, is why people are in here laughing and dancing on Too Human's grave.

I don't wish failure on anyone, and I certainly wish Too Human was a good game. That said, I find the whole affair entertaining, and the fact that Denis talked the game up so much is why these bad reviews are both entertaining and funny. I feel sorry for everyone that works at SK, because Denis royally screwed the PR up on this one. He needs to hand ALL PR to someone else and put his nose to the grindstone and focus purely on the business/game end next time around.

At last! A half decent reply on this matter. I actually had some fun with Eternal Darkness and Twin Snakes even though they were flawed as hell, and even going back to that era I thought Dyack had some interesting ideas and thoughts when being interviewed.

However the very fact he`s continued being the games and sadly Silicon Knight`s mouth-piece has actually done a lot of harm. I think you pretty much nailed it, as far as why anyone would be against the game or creator in this case. Frankly whenever I heard Dyack being interviewed I simply ignore it or try to avoid it, just because it`s been demonstrated time and time again, he`s frankly a lot of hot air.

Pretty terrible review though in terms of detail and structure...

 

[CrunchinJelly]

For people who do not wish to get banned for clogging up the official thread. This thread does allow discussion of the debacle surrounding Too Human and Dyack.

Is this really what GAF has become?

One rule for one thread, and another rule for the entire forum? And the mods are okay with this?

 

[Dazzyman]

Aye they could be the worst site ever for reviews but at least its descriptive and I came away with some knowedge.

Regarding the 1up review it reminds me alot of the 360 review of UT on their as I came away non the wiser on that one and wasnt until I read a few others that I could make a descision (that one I bought) other than basically its weak because of content because it was on a dvd. Its abit sad really because their the first site to have a review up and Im sure if it had been very informative people would be pleased to cancel preorders etc... and be raving about em and thanking em.

Is their an embargo on reviews on this as Id read a rumour most are going live tommorow?

 

[Aselith]

Nah they screw up too. Nick likes giving out high scores and Garnett doesn't know baseball.

It really doesn't matter.

Wrong post? He said they gave their legitmate opinions not that they never are "wrong."

 

[Farnack]

Lair's new tagline

Don't mind that at all, quite frankly. The verdict on Lair has already happened, so it's a good thing.

Is this really what GAF has become?

One rule for one thread, and another rule for the entire forum? And the mods are okay with this?

You can't talk anything negatively about Too Human in the official thread, and there's a lot of negative things to talk about.

I find this thread quite alright.

 

[Kittonwy]

Is this really what GAF has become?

One rule for one thread, and another rule for the entire forum? And the mods are okay with this?

I don't think those people "seeking sanctuary" in the "official thread" can take the 1UP review, best to leave them out of it.

 

[SCHUEY F1]

I couldn't care less about the score. I'm not going to rag on the guy because he didn't like, thats his opinion. I enjoyed the demo and I imagine I will enjoy the full game. I don't need to see a good score to justify my opinion of a game that I like.

 

[Kittonwy]

Wow that was a poorly written review from a site like 1up. Sounds more like a forum or blog post. It almost seemed liked he hadn't even played the full game or at least rushed through 1 play through.

I will wait for more informative reviews before writing the game off.

Really? So he's supposed to force himself to play it 5-10 times so the game can "grow on him" until he likes the game enough to write the review? If he has only played it through 10% and then write the review, then maybe you have a point, if he has finished the game and has played the multiplayer then what's the problem?

 

[Mithos Yggdrasill]

Another thought. I'm no Silicon Knights whore. But I think it's very sad that a game that's been kicked around since the PSOne days, clearly a labor of love, ends its tale on such an ignoble note. Yeah, I know it's only 1-Up, for now, but I think there's enough negative buzz and press and demo impressions that we can clearly say that the game isn't going to be amazing.

I've liked SK's previous games despite their (in some cases, many) flaws. I can only hope I'll similarly like this one, when all is said and done. In any event, I've already preordered it, so I suppose I'll be chiming in with my own impressions in the official thread, later this week.

I wonder if we will ever seen Episode 2 and 3 at this point. It's going to bomb even harder then expected because of the bad pubs around it.
Sad for Dyack, but his stupid comments didn't help a bit.

 

[FateBreaker]

Another fail from Shane Kim.

Keep it going buddy, the output has been amazing.

What does this really have to do with Shane Kim...?

 

[Union Carbine]

I couldn't care less about the score. I'm not going to rag on the guy because he didn't like, thats his opinion. I enjoyed the demo and I imagine I will enjoy the full game. I don't need to see a good score to justify my opinion of a game that I like.

This.

 

[Tron 2.0]

Not unexpected, but will still sell a million copies.

 

[Kittonwy]

What does this really have to do with Shane Kim...?

It's not like Ed Fries signed Dyack up, Shane Kim did, Ed Fries got Bungie and they kicked Fries to the curb, Shane Kim took over and now Bungie no longer belongs to MS.

 

[eznark]

I wonder if we will ever seen Episode 2 and 3 at this point. It's going to bomb even harder then expected because of the bad pubs around it.
Sad for Dyack, but his stupid comments didn't help a bit.

how did Kane and Lynch sell?

 

[Mithos Yggdrasill]

Not unexpected, but will still sell a million copies.

No. It won't. I don't see really how it could. Bad review. Bad buzz. The entire discussion of Dyack against the world is behind this game and this title is targeting overall hardcore gamers.

I simply don't see it happening with these preconditions. How is the advertising ?

 

[Caspel]

I can say that at least two publications will be providing an overall positive review for the game. So don't count 1up as the holy grail when there are many different opinions that'll be hitting the web tomorrow.

 

[Tiktaalik]

Not unexpected, but will still sell a million copies.

I think it will likely squeak to over or around a million lifetime, but Silicon Knight's reputation is shattered. It'll be interesting to see if they can complete this trilogy now.

 

[Kittonwy]

At last! A half decent reply on this matter. I actually had some fun with Eternal Darkness and Twin Snakes even though they were flawed as hell, and even going back to that era I thought Dyack had some interesting ideas and thoughts when being interviewed.

However the very fact he`s continued being the games and sadly Silicon Knight`s mouth-piece has actually done a lot of harm. I think you pretty much nailed it, as far as why anyone would be against the game or creator in this case. Frankly whenever I heard Dyack being interviewed I simply ignore it or try to avoid it, just because it`s been demonstrated time and time again, he`s frankly a lot of hot air.

Pretty terrible review though in terms of detail and structure...

I don't mind if he goes around evangelizing a game that is actually good, because you do need to evangelize your game, it's just that you need a good game to back up all the talk.

If Kevin Levine was doing the same with Bioshock, you know what? I doubt people would have problems with that, because Bioshock was awesome and anyone can see that, people don't even need to defend it, with Too Human it's just one shitty thing after another, shitty E306 showing making even Morgan Webb embarrassed, shitty videos showing more of Dyack than the actual game, and now according to 1UP, a shitty game.

 

[Stoney Mason]

You can't talk anything negatively about Too Human in the official thread, and there's a lot of negative things to talk about.

Actually you can. You just can't bring up all the sidetrack stuff. Its a thread for people interested in the game.

 

[Francias Castiglione]

I can say that at least two publications will be providing an overall positive review for the game. So don't count 1up as the holy grail when there are many different opinions that'll be hitting the web tomorrow.

They won't count of course, you do realise?

 

[Stoney Mason]

Is this really what GAF has become?

One rule for one thread, and another rule for the entire forum? And the mods are okay with this?

Pretty much the only fair to have it without every thread turning to shit.

 

[Operations]

I can say that at least two publications will be providing an overall positive review for the game. So don't count 1up as the holy grail when there are many different opinions that'll be hitting the web tomorrow.

One of them is going to be IGN, we know that much. Dyack has befriended like half their staff.