Topless female bosses and antagonists from video games? Spoiler thread.

I'm probably in the minority, but I actually never really believed in the whole "sex sells" mentality in entertainment. If that was the case I feel games or practically anything with attractive, sexy women in it would be selling millions effortlessly and creators wouldn't be shying away from sexiness near as much imo.
attractive women draws folks eyes and helps sells things maybe not necessarily automatically millions but it does help.

It's 2021 it is kind of in right now to shy away from having a sexy women as main characters. They can still be somewhat attractive though.
 
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attractive women draws folks eyes and helps sells things maybe not necessarily automatically millions but it does help.

It's 2021 it is kind of in right now to shy away from having a sexy women as main characters. They can still be somewhat attractive though.
This is why I am strictly JRPG's. Japan for the most part don't care about leftist culture. I don't want this topic to go to far political though, so I would ask that we just keep focusing on hot ass video game women who are hot. I should also note that while the main idea for this topic was breasts, please feel free to include other parts of the female anatomy as well so long as it does not violate the terms of use here at the site.
 
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attractive women draws folks eyes and helps sells things maybe not necessarily automatically millions but it does help.

It's 2021 it is kind of in right now to shy away from having a sexy women as main characters. They can still be somewhat attractive though.
I think that it depends on the game, obviously if it's a gacha then yes it's going to sell.
I also think it goes for other games where you buy skins and mog/ glam your character like in FFXIV and WoW I think that most people want their characters to look sexy or cute.
Same in Guild Wars 2.

When it comes to singleplayer and narrative driven games tho I think that people are way more puritanical, how often don't you see people say that they dismissed Nier Automata because of 2B's design?
People are very boring and judgemenetal when it comes to that.
Basically people prefer it when it's just '' brainless entertainment '' but not when it's '' artsy '', and they assume anything that has those characters is brainless which ultimately says more about them than the characters and the games.

I think that it's far more true that violence sells in a more general sense.
Almost every game ever made relies entirely on violence, and gore sells a lot more than sex does especially since it complements it.
The only time gore doesn't seem to sell is when games are made to be for kids and that often makes them the most popular same reason why you come across totally random Youtubers and people on Tiktok with tens of millions of subs and views or why Fortnite is so huge.
But for adults at least I think that violence and gore sells, sex only sells in very particular cases and I think that people are still very puritanical and judgemental about it.
Especially with what they consider to be sexual, masculinity can basically be pushed and twisted however much you want, the moment you even begin to do that with femininity it's immediately labelled as sexualized.

Like a woman wearing makeup alone will be seen as her '' doing it for men and to sexualize herself '', as if men don't workout and groom themselves to get womens attention?
It's probably the primary drive for why men want to look a certain way and be strong and prove themselves...
I mean even something as simple as how male heroes are totally hairless on their bodies both in movies and in games, I dunno about you but I am hairy as fuck.
Men in media are like prepubescent teenage boys when it comes to body hair, that's not because it's a '' power fantasy '' but because it's seen as more attractive and it is sexualized and is meant to emphasize their physique.
 
I mean every time I play fallout 4 I skip the story, make a hot female character who specializes in drug boons and just goes on a Drugged up shooting/shanking spree across the commonwealth in her underwear. The main story is boring as sin so why not?
For bonus points, Bring Cait and unleash the beast.
 
This is why I am strictly JRPG's. Japan for the most part don't care about leftist culture. I don't want this topic to go to far political though, so I would ask that we just keep focusing on hot ass video game women who are hot. I should also note that while the main idea for this topic was breasts, please feel free to include other parts of the female anatomy as well so long as it does not violate the terms of use here at the site.
Japan will fall eventually since they are trying to go more global but back on subject, most of the characters I know have been mentioned. I think the only one that shocked me was the Shadow Hearts bad guy since I barely remember a thing about those jrpgs. I really would like a new Shadow Hearts game. I really need to play go through and play all of god of war.
It always depends on where and how you use it when it comes to games

So what if a person dismisses a game because a character is half naked. The game obviously wasn't made for you if it bothers you that much. I mean if I make a game with a half naked anime girl who has some slightly erotic poses I kind of figure I'm not going to be selling a lot of copies to women or men who don't like anime.

Violence is usually a massive portion of the gameplay so of course it would help sell the game. But the visuals of the characters also help sell it as well. From what I understand females bought FF15 because they found the characters attractive and squareenix has used Lightning to sell purses I believe. The visuals of a character is what folks focus on in trailers for the game it is half the reason why folks dismissed the guardians of the galaxy game since they don't look much like the mcu versions. Violence and gore aren't stigmatized as much as women being sexualized in games so it is pretty much a safe space for developers.

A woman putting on makeup and a man grooming himself isn't quite the same thing since men can also put on makeup as well and do so for tv interviews or movies.

Interesting idea on the prepubescent teenage boy idea. I wouldn't say I'm hairy as fuck but yeah my legs are so hairy to the point I dislike wearing shorts. I always just figured that the ideal image of a man has simply changed in the last 30 years. Probably ever since boy bands became a big thing in the 90s,
 
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We should do a "next-gen only" version of this thread.. for research obviously...
This is the thread. if you have examples then feel free to share them. It does not matter when the game was made, so long as it fits the parameters given in my initial post and also in post #152.
 
Neither a boss or antagonist but I was very surprised to see topless women walk around in Assassin's Creed Origins.
 
Pff, always the boobs of the female bosses and never the penis of the final boss

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Yes, it's true, in Dante's Inferno we fight Lucifer with his dick out. The guy didn't even put on his underwear to fight you...
 
I mean, Nobody is stopping you from making your own thread about it if that's what you want. I believe one of those recent GTA games had some dlc with male body parts on full display as did the order 1886 and also a game called Agony. No judgement here, but please do not hijack this thread to discuss the opposite of what the requested discussion was.
 
Japan will fall eventually since they are trying to go more global but back on subject, most of the characters I know have been mentioned. I think the only one that shocked me was the Shadow Hearts bad guy since I barely remember a thing about those jrpgs. I really would like a new Shadow Hearts game. I really need to play go through and play all of god of war.

It always depends on where and how you use it when it comes to games

So what if a person dismisses a game because a character is half naked. The game obviously wasn't made for you if it bothers you that much. I mean if I make a game with a half naked anime girl who has some slightly erotic poses I kind of figure I'm not going to be selling a lot of copies to women or men who don't like anime.

Violence is usually a massive portion of the gameplay so of course it would help sell the game. But the visuals of the characters also help sell it as well. From what I understand females bought FF15 because they found the characters attractive and squareenix has used Lightning to sell purses I believe. The visuals of a character is what folks focus on in trailers for the game it is half the reason why folks dismissed the guardians of the galaxy game since they don't look much like the mcu versions. Violence and gore aren't stigmatized as much as women being sexualized in games so it is pretty much a safe space for developers.

A woman putting on makeup and a man grooming himself isn't quite the same thing since men can also put on makeup as well and do so for tv interviews or movies.

Interesting idea on the prepubescent teenage boy idea. I wouldn't say I'm hairy as fuck but yeah my legs are so hairy to the point I dislike wearing shorts. I always just figured that the ideal image of a man has simply changed in the last 30 years. Probably ever since boy bands became a big thing in the 90s,





I do think that maybe you lose some women when it's more '' creepy '' for a lack of a better term.
But I also think that what people consider to be '' erotic '' is extremely tame, it's kinda like with porn people essentially consider anything they could possibly masturbate to to be '' porn ''.
Like people unironically act like cleavage is porn it's ridiculous.
And cleavage imo is only really erotic if a lot of attention is drawn to it and there's like lewd posing, tongue out and pushing it up or something.
Just cleavage existing alone is not erotic.
I think what most women might find off-putting is when it's predatory, like just really forced and random upskirt camera angles in a lot of Anime for example.
Rather than just the character designs themselves or how much skin they're showing it's more about the creep factor.

Dead or Alive is a fairly good example of that, I don't even think that the character designs are a problem, there are other fighting games that have way skimpier outfits even Street Fighter has more revealing defaults as does Soul Calibur.
It's moreso about how much attention is drawn to it and like how the breast physics is literally a part of the marketing and you could even jiggle them around with your controller.

A lot of male devs and men who talk about this I think kinda miss the point as to why it might be off-putting to women.
And then there's characters like Ivy in Soul Calibur.
Ivy isn't creepy in her sexualization, she is powerful.
She's literally the dominatrix in control, she's not acting innocent and then having the camera go under her skirt against her will or having the player jiggle her breasts around while she acts embarrassed.

But a lot of people basically seem to think they're the same or they think that Lara Croft having large breasts and wearing shorts is objectifying they've just totally lost the plot.
 
How about the Amiga game Capital Punishment? Since it arrived very, very late in the Amiga's life, the devs decided the female fighter would just be tits and arse:

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A lot of male devs and men who talk about this I think kinda miss the point as to why it might be off-putting to women.
And then there's characters like Ivy in Soul Calibur.
Ivy isn't creepy in her sexualization, she is powerful.
What bothers me about this is that there are in fact women who remain silent sometimes about the fact that they actually like this sort of thing just as much as men do, but since that goes against these loud mouth reeee and twitter types, you won't ever see them mention it because it destroys their false narrative of "male gaze."


There are absolutely women out there who enjoy the fact that Ivy's outfit has pretty much disappeared into her ass crack at this point just like their are women out there who appreciate Sophitia's upskirts or girls like Talim.

I have seen women online shouted down by so called "feminist" types though because like I said earlier, how DARE a woman actually LIKE female fanservice in their video games? It's so SHOCKING that maybe a woman does not find Aloy or Abby attractive and they would rather look at Marie Rose or Seung Mina.
 
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Despite the whole fear of wokeness I actually (probably as a minority opinion) think that current female designs from western devs are mostly okay. Yes, ND went a bit overboard in TLOU2, but Chloe was sexy in Uncharted and had an outfit that was at least functional. Yes, Lara Croft doesn't run around with double Ds for quite some time but that looked silly even in the 90s - the new version at least gets the gear. In general, the trend of making character designs more cohesive with their function is a good thing in my opinion.

I mean people who remember that Lara are in their 30s now. Are pixelised boobs and butts that interesting to be thread-worthy? When I see some of those games that overly sexualise female characters without good reason - it just makes me groan.

Japanese devs are not the last bastion of hope - they are often pervy and it's disturbing at some level. In fact most of the time it does a huge disservice to a story. Tifa in FF7 is over the top (for the seriousness of her story), Kaine in Nier is even worse - just a cry of help from poor overworked artist. And it's not just the models - the suggestive angles, the camerawork - someone's job is to script this stuff. Bioware removing Miranda butt-shot was a right decision. It was bizarre even at the time the game was released that a character you're supposed to take seriously is framed with her butt taking half the screen for 90% of her dialogue.

I get that gaming is escapism and I appreciate cool and sexy designs or sexuality in general but it has to be cohesive with the story and emotion you're trying to convey. But it still feels that the industry is half filled with horny nerds who didn't get laid and now put their fantasies in these grotesque designs.
 
lol i appreciate your naivete thanks for the laugh
I should of made myself clearer actually. I'm primarily talking about the games industry. If that was the case, why would any company shy away from attractive characters if it meant more sales and attention? Your average gamer does not care about really attractive characters. Why do the games like TLOU, COD, Battlefield, Assassins Creed, Fortnite, Uncharted, Horizon, Spider-Man, EA games, etc typically dominate in sales?
 
A lot of male devs and men who talk about this I think kinda miss the point as to why it might be off-putting to women.
And then there's characters like Ivy in Soul Calibur.
Ivy isn't creepy in her sexualization, she is powerful.
She's literally the dominatrix in control, she's not acting innocent and then having the camera go under her skirt against her will or having the player jiggle her breasts around while she acts embarrassed.

But a lot of people basically seem to think they're the same or they think that Lara Croft having large breasts and wearing shorts is objectifying they've just totally lost the plot.
They aren't trying to sell the game to women half the time though when they make those females more "creepy" looking

Ivy is exactly the type of character folks with those puritan views would avoid playing as.

Pretty much women with large breasts are viewed as being sexualized. Isn't that why I think Katy Perry was rejected by a Christian group or label?
Despite the whole fear of wokeness I actually (probably as a minority opinion) think that current female designs from western devs are mostly okay. Yes, ND went a bit overboard in TLOU2, but Chloe was sexy in Uncharted and had an outfit that was at least functional. Yes, Lara Croft doesn't run around with double Ds for quite some time but that looked silly even in the 90s - the new version at least gets the gear. In general, the trend of making character designs more cohesive with their function is a good thing in my opinion.

I mean people who remember that Lara are in their 30s now. Are pixelised boobs and butts that interesting to be thread-worthy? When I see some of those games that overly sexualise female characters without good reason - it just makes me groan.

Japanese devs are not the last bastion of hope - they are often pervy and it's disturbing at some level. In fact most of the time it does a huge disservice to a story. Tifa in FF7 is over the top (for the seriousness of her story), Kaine in Nier is even worse - just a cry of help from poor overworked artist. And it's not just the models - the suggestive angles, the camerawork - someone's job is to script this stuff. Bioware removing Miranda butt-shot was a right decision. It was bizarre even at the time the game was released that a character you're supposed to take seriously is framed with her butt taking half the screen for 90% of her dialogue.

I get that gaming is escapism and I appreciate cool and sexy designs or sexuality in general but it has to be cohesive with the story and emotion you're trying to convey. But it still feels that the industry is half filled with horny nerds who didn't get laid and now put their fantasies in these grotesque designs.
Lara's looks are what kept her character popular all these years. Did you forget all of the magazine covers the character graced as a result.

Tifa is in a game where you fight a house monster. Tifa's look isn't that over the top considering that she works at a bar and I've seen skimpier outfits at the mall. The main audience for those games were or are males so having those suggestive angles isn't really that big a deal. I'm pretty sure scripting that kind of stuff is a lot of fun to do :messenger_tears_of_joy: . Bioware I kind of understand although I'm still somewhat against since the game is far more serious.

Their are hundreds of games that get made a year that don't have those fantasies or designs in them so why are you so bothered that a few do. I mean these days just about every game that is not made in Asia will not have them.
 
I thought about a gif of The Great Mighty Poo, but this is better. And female.

Oh, fuck it:
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I guess The Great Mighty Poo can be any gender you wish for. After all the poop is coming from thousands of people and creatures.
 
Satan from SMTII.
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Asherah from SMT Strange Journey
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Pff, always the boobs of the female bosses and never the penis of the final boss

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Yes, it's true, in Dante's Inferno we fight Lucifer with his dick out. The guy didn't even put on his underwear to fight you...

Wow even hell doesn't perform circumcision anymore but humans do smh
 
This seemed pretty edgy for a console game in 1988 (Miracle Warriors on SMS). The cover was censored in the US but the game was not.
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Thats so cool. I spent quite a bit of time with this game when I was a kid but found it impossibly difficult. I certainly never got far enough to see that chick.

I'll add Alpha 152 to the thread. Im sure she was a boss in older DoA games. I love naked women but I always hated her featureless design. So boring.

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