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Trails of Cold Steel (Sen no Kiseki) coming to PS3, Vita in North America, Fall 2015
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Vita huh, i've been debating which version i want but i'll trust you on this and get it there
Antiwhippy
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No need.
Nightengale
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But it'd be nice if you can.
That will be quite a feat.
Regardless, no you don't need to have played them to get into these games.
It's a great game and gets you familiar with the world, so you should consider it.
But it will increase your enjoyment of it, and FC was such a great game RPG fans should play it regardless. And I'm sure SC will be just as good.
Well, keep in mind I prefer it because I like it being portable and the suspend feature is very convenient for me. Also, the touchscreen map function is nice. I don't game much on my TV most days. If you prefer playing on a TV, get the PS3 version. It is essentially the same, but with a higher resolution. It's a really similar situation to FFX/X-2 on the Vita and PS3.
This game is also Vita TV compatible, but since I own the PS3 version I never play it on my Vita TV.
Nightengale
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Too much sensibility.
Kudo
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I wish I could be strong as you senpai.
Re: the voice acting debate, please note the majority of the text in these games (Sen 1 and 2) are not accompanied by any voice acting. These games do not have voice acting to the degree the Kiseki Evolution Vita games do. I think you'd be doing yourself a great disservice by skipping these games because the voice acting (which can be muted entirely, mind you) is not to your liking. They are really good games with incredibly detailed stories, the like of which are difficult to find elsewhere in the genre these days.
This game actually has a high-profile Japanese cast with a lot of veterans of anime and other games. I wouldn't care as much if it was a bunch of nobodies, but I'm a fan of several of the cast members which is why I'll be undubbing it when I buy it.
The people with the loudest arguments are those who are the least informed, as usual.
It is really depressing. I wonder how many are GAFers? I can already spot at least one ha.
threelights
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Damn, I really hope this doesn't impact sales. I barely know the series and it was easy enough to understand the circumstances... But I guess reading is too hard for some people.
YianGaruga
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Well this thread took a depressing turn. If you prefer no games over games that aren't exactly the way you want them with the current state of the japanese game industry in mind, I'm not sure what to say. Boycotting it won't lead to what you want, it will lead to getting nothing at all.
I know it's not easy but I hope the people from XSEED are able to just ignore these idiots.
I know it's not easy but I hope the people from XSEED are able to just ignore these idiots.
Nightengale
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I whined about this on Twitter, lamenting how difficult it is to convince others that it doesn't work in such a black/white way.
People are just selfish, they read it but they don't care to understand the circumstances, the money required to localise these games and the business side of things. They don't realise that at the end of the day it was either XSEED localises the games this way or doesn't localise them at all. It's just ridiculous.
Depressing.
Nightengale
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Just buy the fucking game and be ashamed of your words & deeds once you've played through them, whiners.
I found dual audio not to be the awesome feature I always thought it would be. I thought the ideal would be to have the text in English and the voices in Japanese, but after actually experiencing it I'm not so sure anymore.
If you can understand a bit of Japanese (I usually understand about a third of the words and I know a lot of generic phrases) the text and the voices can cause some unexpected dissonance. I've come to believe video game translations are pretty liberal. It's not just the usual stuff like reworking puns, I think the translators make an effort to make it seem less 'Japanese'. Most people know about the famous examples in Phoenix Wright, like ramen becoming hamburgers. From my experience, that kind of stuff happens a lot in translated games.
It was very distracting to hear something and understand (or mostly understand) what's being said, but then also read something different at the same time. The English text and the Japanese voices don't gel well together. I found myself focusing on the differences between the two, which took me out of the game a little bit. Most recently I encountered this with the Atelier series and the Final Fantasy XV demo. Because of this, unless the translation is really literal, I prefer a good dub.
Anyone else experience this?
If you can understand a bit of Japanese (I usually understand about a third of the words and I know a lot of generic phrases) the text and the voices can cause some unexpected dissonance. I've come to believe video game translations are pretty liberal. It's not just the usual stuff like reworking puns, I think the translators make an effort to make it seem less 'Japanese'. Most people know about the famous examples in Phoenix Wright, like ramen becoming hamburgers. From my experience, that kind of stuff happens a lot in translated games.
It was very distracting to hear something and understand (or mostly understand) what's being said, but then also read something different at the same time. The English text and the Japanese voices don't gel well together. I found myself focusing on the differences between the two, which took me out of the game a little bit. Most recently I encountered this with the Atelier series and the Final Fantasy XV demo. Because of this, unless the translation is really literal, I prefer a good dub.
Anyone else experience this?
Definitely. I'm playing through Steins;Gate on the Vita at the moment and it's oftentimes really confusing when I'm listening to the Japanese and the translation of the text is really different since the text has been localised rather than literally translated (Which is a good thing! Although the Phoenix Wright localisation for example is overboard).
Nightengale
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I know enough Japanese to basically be able to disassociate the localised text with the actual spoken Japanese to basically re-translate the text if it's too different. =/
That's why I like Japanese audio + English text, because I get to have the buffer to contextualise on my own terms what exactly the characters were saying in their original language. And if it's too difficult, then I just rely on the localisation.
Shouta
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Someone from Xseed said in the neighborhood of 10,000 lines, I think. It's major events that are being voiced and in battle stuff, so it's definitely not a small amount by any stretch. It's not gargantuan but it's a significant amount.
Nightengale
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Yeah, I'm not saying it's a small amount ( because the game is huge ), but it can be somewhat surprising how some scenes are unvoiced, especially when transitioning from a major fully-voiced cutscene event to a semi-voiced minor cutscene event.
I definitely though "did I select something/press something that made me skip voices or something?" for the first 2 hours of Cold Steel.
Basileus777
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How are XSeed's dubs generally? I don't think I've played any of their games that had more than a scattering of English voice acting.
Kudo
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Has happened to me many times.
But for me it's a good thing, I can understand enough of the spoken scenes in jRpgs so I really prefer the japanese audio most of the times I don't have to read the english text, but it's good to have english text to back you up if weird words are used thus not importing everything.
Just wondering but..
If the licensing was an issue for this game - How did the Asian release have japanese voices? If they don't want their voices outside Japan I'd assume Asian release would have had licensing issues too..
Oh how I wish I could just forget and move on, but the game looks too good.
Akiba's Trip had a great dub outside of shizuku
My problem is that it's not only distracting, but at some point I start to get annoyed by the English text. For example in FFXV, the way the characters refer to the prince or joke about him is really different when you compare English to Japanese. It's so different that it almost seems like the characters have a different personality depending on which language you focus. It makes me think the dub is illegitimate somehow, even though it's a perfectly normal localization.
Your way of dealing with it seems smart though. Maybe I could get into that same mindset and disassociate the two.
Anyway, this won't be an issue with the Kiseki games. The only way this could change is if Falcom starts handling the voice work in-house and/or drafts contracts that make international distribution possible.
Space Medafighter X
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Well I can only go by Lord of Magna and Story of Seasons, they're fine. Nothing cringe inducing.
threelights
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Here's a video from Oath in Felghana (the only XSEED game that I remember being dubbed that I played =X) https://youtu.be/3fD-G5QyjyY?t=632
The video has commentary, but the shuts up during the cutscenes.
I thought it was alright. It's honestly enough to make me prefer it over the Japanese >.>
Basileus777
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Well I was thinking of games with more than spot voicing. Most of their games have very little voice acting. Though I forgot about Akiba's Trip until Vylash reminded me. That's a good example.
Nightengale
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JPRG.
Turn-based battle system with it's own positional-based design, with some elements of Grandia, Xenosaga, etc.
What you can expect is a very strongly fleshed out world with excellent world-building, a diverse cast of main/secondary characters, and a decent-to-good story overall that focuses strongly on the characters, while having a larger grand storyline in the background.
Hikami
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Yep, it's why I prefer English voices personally.
I know enough Japanese to where I can understand it if its spoken. But don't know enough kanji to where I can read it- so I can't just play the Japanese versions of the games yet.
Anyways yeah, it's always jarring when the spoken Japanese dialogue is different from the actual localization. Had a lot of problems with Tales of Hearts R for example because of that.
Whoawhoawhoa! You dissin' my waifu?!
Shizuku's voice is actually the closest to the Japanese, I think. She's one of my favorites, as she managed to play the part to a T.
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cardinalmind
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Still buying these two whenever I can get them. As much as I love Kiseki games, I love squashing / mass murdering insects from the EDF games even more.
How come you aren't just importing the Japanese version? Wouldn't this localization not even matter to you?
ShogunDarius
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shizuku was fine, the little sister on the other hand :/
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Reminds me of the Tales of "Fans" who say they will not buy Graces and Xillia because Vesperia PS3 wasn't coming out lol.
They probably made the decision to localise the games for the Asia market while the game was still being made. Makes it easier to include the clauses into the contracts. Localisation for the western releases tend to happen months, if not years later.
This thread reminds me that I still have my Chinese version of Sen 1 untouched.
SpaceDrake
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Of Cold Steel? From a technical perspective, PS3, hands down.
Vita of course comes with the advantages of a handheld platform, but if you're playing it at home, PS3 is the way to go.
YianGaruga
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The games should have cross-save right? So just buy both and get the best of both worlds!
charlequin
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People who throw a fit about a lack of dual-audio have never seriously affected a game's sales before so I'm not sure why they'd start now.
Generally relatively solid. The lines tend to be pretty well directed and they draw from the same pool of actors everyone else does.
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