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Trails of Cold Steel (Sen no Kiseki) coming to PS3, Vita in North America, Fall 2015
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Benzychenz
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Skipping a game for not having JP audio baffles me, but I imported VLR from NA rather than buy the EU release so I could use the English dub so what do I know? 
I'll get this day 1 to show my support, even if my backlog doesn't let me get around to it straight away. Leaning towards Vita atm because suspend is perfect for games like this.
I'll get this day 1 to show my support, even if my backlog doesn't let me get around to it straight away. Leaning towards Vita atm because suspend is perfect for games like this.
Skipping a game for not having JP audio baffles me, but I imported VLR from NA rather than buy the EU release so I could use the English dub so what do I know?
I'll get this day 1 to show my support, even if my backlog doesn't let me get around to it straight away. Leaning towards Vita atm because suspend is perfect for games like this.
I'd forgotten about that, I did exactly the same with VLR. The vioce acting was good in that and I'd much rather hear lines acted out than have to read them.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Fixed. Believe.
I only know that one by name, I'm afraid. What kind of game is it, straight up VN?
I'm not as big on "pure" VNs, tbh. The crazy plots in DR and ZE are great but a big part of the appeal for me is that the VN bits are broken up by actual gameplay. If it wasn't for the class trials and escape the room sections, I probably wouldn't enjoy those games as much as I do.
Is the only Sen demo on JP PSN for Sen 2? It's the only one I could find so I tried it earlier, desperately blocking out as much as I could to avoid spoiling the first game.
I prefer the visual style of the older games but there's enough similarity in Sen to make it feel like coming home. The craft animations were satisfying and the person I was playing seemed pretty cool Can't wait to get my hands on these games.
I prefer the visual style of the older games but there's enough similarity in Sen to make it feel like coming home. The craft animations were satisfying and the person I was playing seemed pretty cool Can't wait to get my hands on these games.
orthodoxy1095
Banned
Why not play Trails in the Sky First Chapter?
You can do that but I highly recommend playing Trails in the Sky FC on Steam/PSP first.
Steam sale is coming up so you should be able to nab it on a discount there. I recommend it there because you can use controller or KB/M control, plus the game looks nice with AA applied.
Dragoon En Regalia
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I must be weird but I disable AA whenever I play TitS FC. AA doesn't appeal to me for this game, lol.
Muting voices mutes the battle voices too. At least in the japanese version.
Barrylocke
Member
All signs point to the Anime Expo.
charlequin
Banned
As much as I personally think it's a huge waste of time, XSEED have made it clear that they're dedicated to adding dual-audio to games whenever it's remotely possible to do so. It's honestly kind of embarrassing to throw a fit and refuse to buy a game that never had the slightest chance of including JP voices, for reasons that anyone familiar with Falcom could have told you in advance.
cj_iwakura
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What do you think is a waste of time, the dubbing or keeping JP audio? I'm assuming the latter. I don't really CARE, but it's a nice touch. As long as no one ever does what Atlus did to Growlanser IV. That was unacceptable. (They removed all the voices from the game aside from cutscenes.)
JP only or a solid dub, I'm happy either way.
Perfectly summarizes my opinion. Plus it's particularly sickening in this case because this series NEEDS support to keep going.
i just hope these people are in the extreme minority and won't matter in the end
So, if a company can't license the Japanese audio for the western release and yet an English dub is too expensive to justify, then you'd rather have no English release at all?
There were supposed to be voices outside of cutscenes in Growlanser? I thought it worked great without them.
Excellent.
Kudo
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I'm sure that people who need the japanese voices to get most out of the game are in minority so I wouldn't worry about that.
"refuse to buy the game" sounds like I was being forced to buy it in the first place, which I weren't. It might be embarrassing but that's just life, and like I mentioned earlier in the thread I am not familiar with Falcom games in general I just really like how they look and this would have been the entry point for me as it looks the best out of them, but not being a fan and lack of knowledge it came as a disappointment I didn't expect.
Anyhow, with the trend of asian releases with japanese audio/eng text nowadays I haven't lost all hope of enjoying the game in its full potential yet.
"refuse to buy the game" sounds like I was being forced to buy it in the first place, which I weren't. It might be embarrassing but that's just life, and like I mentioned earlier in the thread I am not familiar with Falcom games in general I just really like how they look and this would have been the entry point for me as it looks the best out of them, but not being a fan and lack of knowledge it came as a disappointment I didn't expect.
Anyhow, with the trend of asian releases with japanese audio/eng text nowadays I haven't lost all hope of enjoying the game in its full potential yet.
Sega did that a couple years before that games release with Phantasy Star Portable 2 >_<; Going from fully dubbed fully voiced first PS Portable to cutscene/battle grunts only sucked!
This actually blows my mind. Preferring the original language I can understand, I can speak a decent amount of Japanese so I do use the original dub whenever it's offered. But hating a dub simply because it's in English and not Japanese no matter how good it is (Even if it's better than the original!) is so weird. Especially since we haven't even heard any of it to judge it yet.
As far as I'm aware, an Asian version has already been released? It was Chinese Sub with JP audio though.
If you're really that obsessive, your best bet would seem to be hoping that someone releases an undub patch to work with a CFW PS3.
cj_iwakura
Member
There was no precedent to do something like that. I've never heard of a game being stripped of VA completely, least of all by Atlus. I'm glad it came out here, but it was still a lazy effort. They couldn't spare a few voice clips for battles and hired five-seven VAs JUST for cutscenes?
It didn't even have battle grunts. It had NOTHING.
I honestly believe it's disingenuous to call this lazy. That's not the right word to use. I'm sure they would have gone another route if it was viable.
Eudaemonium
Member
Some people are like that. I can never understand it either. I usually go with whichever is the better version. I only understand some very basic Japanese, though, so it's more for personal audio preferences.
A good example would be Star Ocean 4. From the sound of the voices, it's probably as badly voiced in Japanese as it is in English, but the fact I can barely understand any of it means I can ignore it's quality far better.
cj_iwakura
Member
They released all kinds of games around the same time that kept the voice, but a first party title had to have them removed. Still blows my mind.
It was an old game being released for a legacy platform and their profit expectations wouldn't have been huge. Realistically it wouldn't have been worth the cost of recording a new dub and/or licensing the Japanese dub.
cj_iwakura
Member
I fully understand that, but doing the battle voices couldn't have been difficult. Even if it was just the playable characters, it would have been better than nothing.
I'm being nitpicky, but I just felt Growlanser deserved more love than a barebones localization.
Valkyrie Profile DS.
Its not only for Japanese. I wouldn't watch Game of Thrones or any other US Show in German (my native language) . For me i will allways prefer the orginal voice acting over dubs. Also you can all calm down since muteing the entire voice acting is an option i might gonna grab it if its still in the game.
cj_iwakura
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That sounds awkward.
I wouldn't watch TV shows or movies with redubs either, but that's quite different from video games.
To be fair, I see where people are coming from. Some really talented and famous voice actors, who have appeared in shitloads of stuff including anime, show up in Sen no Kiseki's voice acting cast. Yui Horie, for example.
I would be really fucking pissed off too if one of my favorite VAs was thrown out. For example, there are several games where I was really mad because I couldn't hear Maaya Sakamoto do her stuff because it was dub-only.
That being said, I love Falcom's work so much that I don't even care at this point.
My Vita lives. Though it'll be grand to see Cold Steel hit the PC in some manner much later on for preservation's sake.
It will be interesting to experience Cold Steel prior to Zero & Ao. I'm sure a lot of the Falcom veterans are going to love reading our impressions to see what differing viewpoints will arise from it.
It will be interesting to experience Cold Steel prior to Zero & Ao. I'm sure a lot of the Falcom veterans are going to love reading our impressions to see what differing viewpoints will arise from it.
charlequin
Banned
Keeping JP audio. Games with a good, full localization don't need it and if the original game isn't developed with the functionality included it's development effort that could be better spent elsewhere.
(The ideal scenario would be for some of these Japanese niche devs to do what Western teams have been doing for a while and develop localization features from day one, so that at least technically there are no obstacles to including multiple voice tracks and text languages.)
Whatever impression NeoGAF threads might give someone, people working at niche publishers have been pretty consistent in saying that even in niche JP genres, fully-dubbed games sell better than undubbed ones, so I don't think the contingent that will actually boycott a game completely for lack of dual-audio is all that big.
BassForever
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Dubbed everything does better then sub only 99% of the time, on tv anime/movies/shows or in video games digital or physical release. I think the reason NB has been doing sub only for some of their anime games is a mix of too complicated to license all the English va's from different companies or too far ahead of the English company for them to cast all the characters needed
Really? Ever heard the witcher 3 in german as an example. http://www.gamestar.de/videos/specials,20/geralt-gauner-gossensprache-wie-klingt-es-besser,82656.html Dub comparsion between english and german.
BassForever
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As someone who doesn't speak German but has seen some German made films/films with lots of German voice acting I thought the German version sounded fine. I thought tonally all the German VA were very close to the English one and tbh with the aesthetics of The Witcher's world having it be in a European language fit really well.
Woah, that so fast, like incredibly fast. If they started the localization process since 1 and half year ago, I can only guess that Falcom already impressed by the sales of their games on Steam and considering first Ys game was released in 2012, it's very possible to be that way. No wonder Falcom really pushed XSeed to quickly released more of their Kiseki games to keep with the momentum. And I also guess that XSeed's experience with localizing FC and SC really net them many useful experiences that will make them an even more efficient in localizing games.
Now I just need to actually start with my steam copy of TitS before Cold Steel hits the shelf.
Yeah they're indeed the minority, but for me who's fine either way (sub and dub, if its at least decent), it still sounds ridiculous. If it's the case with bigger companies and their mainline games like what mostly Atlus did or the game series traditionally feature dub and sub like Atelier, I guess the fuss over it is more warranted. But this is Falcom and Kiseki series that we talking about. Their fanbase size isn't that big, while the size of Kiseki game for localization is tremendoust. While I think it is fair for people to not buy a game for their own reason, I also could understand that why people found it to be more irksome since every sales number count.
Now I just need to actually start with my steam copy of TitS before Cold Steel hits the shelf.
Yeah they're indeed the minority, but for me who's fine either way (sub and dub, if its at least decent), it still sounds ridiculous. If it's the case with bigger companies and their mainline games like what mostly Atlus did or the game series traditionally feature dub and sub like Atelier, I guess the fuss over it is more warranted. But this is Falcom and Kiseki series that we talking about. Their fanbase size isn't that big, while the size of Kiseki game for localization is tremendoust. While I think it is fair for people to not buy a game for their own reason, I also could understand that why people found it to be more irksome since every sales number count.
charlequin
Banned
Some relevant and interesting commentary from an XSEED employee about why games wind up without a dual-audio option can be found here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showpost.php?p=50395479&postcount=1
After all the patches, there really aren't any performance issues left. I mean, the game runs smoothly, I haven't come across any crashes or glitches, and loads are pretty snappy. As I said earlier in this thread, I prefer the Vita version.
Nightengale
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The amount of voice-overs in Trails of Cold Steel is frankly, not as much as it seems anyway. =/
The major cutscenes moments get them, but there's also a lot of more old-school style unvoiced text boxes in scenes you expect them to be voiced.
The major cutscenes moments get them, but there's also a lot of more old-school style unvoiced text boxes in scenes you expect them to be voiced.
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