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Transgaf: 'cause boys will be girls (and vice versa)
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Professor Beef
Banned
Should've just told them who it was.
Yea, if there's no external means to verify his changes, then he would come off as a vandal (as that's the sort of thing someone would try to slur a character with). If it's a fact nobody but the developer could know, and the person making the claim isn't verified as the developer, it's impossible to take the claim at face value.
Princess Viola
Member
Urk, I have bad news. My mom had surgery and now I can't move in with her for like two months.
I really don't wanna go to my old school either and school starts tomorrow! What am I supposed to do...
I really don't wanna go to my old school either and school starts tomorrow! What am I supposed to do...
Toyota has a very interesting new commercial campaign for their Toyota Auris. Commercial probably shouldn't be watched at work, just as a note.
That's Stav Strashko from Ukraine, He's not a trans.
Yeah .. more awesome trans potential being lost in (probably very gay, if he is REALLY following the Pejic lead) cis boys =/
Also, fuck yeah androginy ! =D
Femmeworth
Banned
Oh hey, it's a trap. -_-
Edit: For clarification, I don't like transgender people being used in such a manner.
While I know you don't mean harm and it is probably using that ironicaly and would be at least hilarious if most people here would be banned for using that, it STILL is a banned word .. so I would edit that =x
But yeah, not exactly a fan of "surprise ! you have been fapping to a dude" kinda of stuff either
But yeah, not exactly a fan of "surprise ! you have been fapping to a dude" kinda of stuff either
I think she said what she said because, really, that commercial is a perfect example of when "trap" is a totally legitimate term to use. There are actual situations of traps, and it's only when the word is used to refer to someone who is trans that it becomes offensive. I'm also guessing she didn't appreciate the commetcial for that aspect.
I found it fun though! I guess I think we can't take everything too seriously, and I don't think it was insulting at all. And while it isn't exactly trans, it's having fun playing with androgyny.
Dr.Palutena
Member
I'm not sure what to make of that commercial one way or another, however I'm not gonna take offense or hurt my head over it.
Corran Horn
May the Schwartz be with you
Update for some of yall who were interested in Scarletts journey through WCS Canada for starcraft 2:
Scarlett just destroyed SC2 WCS NA tournament only losing 1 game going 12-1 overall. (she went 12-1 in WCS canada too)
Between this and WCS Canada she won like $30k in about 2 months and a trip to China for National finals in November.
Scarlett just destroyed SC2 WCS NA tournament only losing 1 game going 12-1 overall. (she went 12-1 in WCS canada too)
Between this and WCS Canada she won like $30k in about 2 months and a trip to China for National finals in November.
Ohhh... so THAT'S why she came up as a topic, and I got into a huge argument over Twitter. *laughs*
PhoenixDark
Banned
Yup amazing run through the World Championships. She has proven herself to be the defacto best StarCraft 2 player in North America.
Femmeworth
Banned
I should have worded it better. I take issue with the presentation, not the person.
Just came out to pretty much every close friend that didn't know, my brother and his wife (waited far too long here), and formally came out to a few others that knew from secondhand sources. Still closeted to my dad's side of the family until I figure out how to tell him, and to my coworkers. That's about it!
Feels good =)
Feels good =)
Congrats~
My dad is coming home next weekend and he doesn't know. Don't really want to tell him though. We're not close at all and honestly I wish he would just stay in New Jersey.
tearsofash
Member
Congrats. Thats often one of the more difficult steps.
It got to the point where I was openly out with so many friends, that it was actually more awkward to be around the few that didn't know. Pretty much everyone I told tonight is someone I expect to be cool with things, it can just be hard finding the right time and place to do so. Decided to start a new Facebook profile and brute-force the coming out that way.
Sounds like everything went well. Congrats!
Yeah, in certain circles I'm getting to that point. I finally broke down and talked to the one friend in my close circle of friends that I hadn't toldbut he kind of knew due to my screwing up and sending him a friend invite via my alternate Facebook account. *heh* I should have done it much sooner, as it was a very non-eventful conversation (beyond his "I shouldn't have found this out a year late via Facebook!").
Congrats on all of the comings out!
:< Shishi I'm really worried you're going to screw up but I know your reasons for being so secretive about it so good luck
Do you mean separate from being transgender? Instead of a slowly building realization (for some, not all) but "knowing" you are one gender one day and the next day "knowing" you are another?
I use quotations because I feel that unless you experience gender dysphoria gender isn't really something you even notice so it's not something you truly know.
Yeah, when I came out to a friend at a convention earlier this summer, he told me that he already knew and said that there were "rumors" going around already. I'm pretty sure that a handful of the people I told last night already knew, but ya know, formalities...
Princess Viola
Member
You mean being gender fluid?
Also, I'm wondering what's everyone's viewpoints on a pre-op MtF transgender not on hormones using padding and such to give themselves a more feminine appearance.
hmmm ... she takes awesome pics of Evo ? =/
On that Ultrachen they had a women in gaming episode and kara talked about her past.
http://www.twitch.tv/ultrachentv/b/310877716
When you start hrt gets even better ... because when you will do blood test to check estrogen levels and stuffs like that (specialy prolactin) it asks you when was the last time you menstruated and things like that
You get used to that =P
Princess Viola
Member
I feel you.
As I spiral down to a point of no return (doing much worse than now then when I posted before), I have begun the pursuit of having my surgery with my health insurance (Aetna), which resulted in a resounding no. It devastated me because initially it was improved. Yet it came back denied because, as the doctor said "Your employer has a specific exclusion for transgender surgery." I found this odd as they are paying for my hormones, and in many policies now they include gender identity/expression as a protected status within the company.
I spoke with my HR at length about this, who has been wonderful. I have started a process of having this given a second look, but I am not sure where else to look or what to say. I posted what happened on our internal company "Facebook", on a specific board for the LGBT community.
I fit Aetnas guidelines below (as many of us probably do), so I do not understand why it is this way. I imagine it comes from the ol' cosmetic argument. Part of me thinks if I can provide an honest, factual, valid business plan how my employer would benefit, I think that would go along way. I would think the reduced medication, therapy, and doctor visit costs over the next 2-5 years would make up a lot of the difference.
Even it was a meet halfway deal, like I pay the surgery and they pay the hospital/anesthesia less deductible. Trying to be realistic too. Even though I seem to be the only transsexual in the company, out of 220,000, I would guess there are at least five to ten others, so it is not like they would suddenly be paying millions of dollars more for these surgeries. I wouldnt mind either if I had to have a higher tier/expensive plan. We have two now as it is, a third with more coverage would not be a big deal. Not sure if that would make a difference, but my employer is a Fortune 100 company. Anyone have experience or advice in this situation?
Clinical Policy Bulletin:
Gender Reassignment Surgery
Number: 0615
Policy
Note: Most Aetna plans exclude coverage of sex change surgery (gender reassignment surgery, transgender surgery) or any treatment of gender identity disorders. Please check benefit plan descriptions.
Aetna considers sex reassignment surgery medically necessary when all of the following criteria are met:
Member is at least 18 years old; and
Member has met criteria for the diagnosis of "true" transsexualism, including:
A sense of estrangement from one's own body, so that any evidence of one's own biological sex is regarded as repugnant; and
A stable transsexual orientation evidenced by a desire to be rid of one's genitals and to live in society as a member of the other sex for at least 2 years, that is, not limited to periods of stress; and
Absence of physical inter-sex of genetic abnormality; and
Does not gain sexual arousal from cross-dressing; and
Life-long sense of belonging to the opposite sex and of having been born into the wrong sex, often since childhood; and
Not due to another biological, chromosomal or associated psychiatric disorder, such as schizophrenia; and
Wishes to make his or her body as congruent as possible with the preferred sex through surgery and hormone treatment; and
Member has completed a recognized program of transgender identity treatment as evidenced by all of the following:
A qualified mental health professional* who has been acquainted with the member for at least 18 months recommends sex reassignment surgery documented in the form of a written comprehensive evaluation; and
For genital surgical sex reassignment, a second concurring recommendation by another qualified mental health professional * must be documented in the form of a written expert opinion**; and
For genital surgical sex reassignment, member has undergone a urological examination for the purpose of identifying and perhaps treating abnormalities of the genitourinary tract, since genital surgical sex reassignment includes the invasion of, and the alteraton of, the genitourinary tract (urological examination is not required for persons not undergoing genital reassignment); and
Member has demonstrated an understanding of the proposed male-to-female or female-to-male sex reassignment surgery with its attendant costs, required lengths of hospitalization, likely complications, and post surgical rehabilitation requirements of the planned surgery; and
Psychotherapy is not an absolute requirement for surgery unless the mental health professional's initial assessment leads to a recommendation for psychotherapy that specifies the goals of treatment, estimates its frequency and duration throughout the real life experience (usually a minimum of 3 months); and
For genital surgical sex reassignment, the member has successfully lived and worked within the desired gender role full-time for at least 12 months (so-called real-life experience), without periods of returning to the original gender; and
For genital surgical sex reassignment, member has received at least 12 months of continuous hormonal sex reassignment therapy recommended by a mental health professional and carried out by an endocrinologist (which can be simultaneous with the real-life experience), unless medically contraindicated.
* At least one of the two clinical behavioral scientists making the favorable recommendation for surgical (genital) sex reassignment must possess a doctoral degree (e.g., Ph.D., Ed.D., D.Sc., D.S.W., Psy.D., or M.D.). Note: Evaluation of candidacy for sex reassignment surgery by a mental health professional is covered under the member’s medical benefit, unless the services of a mental health professional are necessary to evaluate and treat a mental health problem, in which case the mental health professional’s services are covered under the member’s behavioral health benefit. Please check benefit plan descriptions.
** Either two separate letters or one letter with two signatures is acceptable.
Medically necessary core surgical procedures for female to male persons include: mastectomy, hysterectomy, vaginectomy, salpingo-oophorectomy, metoidioplasty, phalloplasty, urethroplasty, scrotoplasty and placement of testicular prostheses, and erectile prostheses.
Medically necessary core surgical procedures for male to female persons include: penectomy, orchidectomy, vaginoplasty, clitoroplasty, and labiaplasty.
Note: Rhinoplasty, face-lifting, lip enhancement, facial bone reduction, blepharoplasty, breast augmentation, liposuction of the waist (body contouring), reduction thyroid chondroplasty, hair removal, voice modification surgery (laryngoplasty or shortening of the vocal cords), and skin resurfacing, which have been used in feminization, are considered cosmetic. Similarly, chin implants, nose implants, and lip reduction, which have been used to assist masculinization, are considered cosmetic.
Note on gender specific services for transgender persons:
Gender-specific services may be medically necessary for transgender persons appropriate to their anatomy. Examples include:
Breast cancer screening may be medically necessary for female to male transgender persons who have not undergone a mastectomy;
Prostate cancer screening may be medically necessary for male to female transgender individuals who have retained their prostate.
Background
Transsexualism is "a gender identity disorder in which the person manifests, with constant and persistent conviction, the desire to live as a member of the opposite sex and progressively take steps to live in the opposite sex role full-time." People who wish to change their sex may be referred to as "Transsexuals" or as people suffering from "Gender Dysphoria" (meaning unhappiness with one's gender).
Transsexuals usually present to the medical profession with a diagnosis of transsexualism, a sophisticated understanding of their condition, and a desired course of treatment, that is, hormone therapy and sex-reassignment surgery. The therapeutic approach to gender identity disorder consists of three parts: a real life experience in the desired role, hormones of the desired gender, and surgery to change the genitalia and other sex characteristics (Day, 2002). The most typical order, if all three elements are undertaken, is hormones followed by real life experience and, finally, surgery.
For male to female transsexuals selected for surgery, procedures may include genital reconstruction (vaginoplasty, penectomy, orchidectomy, clitoroplasty), breast augmentation and cosmetic surgery (facial reshaping, rhinoplasty, abdominoplasty, laryngeal shaving, vocal cord shortening, hair transplants) (Day, 2002). For female to male transsexuals, surgical procedures may include genital reconstruction (phalloplasty, genitoplasty, hysterectomy, bilateral oophorectomy), mastectomy, chest wall contouring and cosmetic surgery (Day, 1992).
Due to the far-reaching and irreversible results of hormonal and/or surgical transformational measures, a careful diagnosis and differential diagnosis is absolutely vital to the patient's best interest. In and of themselves, a patient's self-diagnosis and the intensity of his desire for sex reassignment cannot be viewed as reliable indicators of transsexuality. A vital part of the long-term diagnostic therapy is the so-called real-life experience, in which the patient lives as a member of the desired sex continually and in all social spheres in order to accumulate necessary experience. Experience in specialist Gender Identity Units has shown that only about 15% of male transsexuals and 90% of female transsexuals are considered suitable for surgery or still desire it after specialist psychiatric care and a prolonged period of observation used to identify the relatively rare "true" transsexual from the more common "secondary" transsexual.
Hormone therapy and sex-reassignment surgery are superficial changes in comparison to the major psychological adjustments necessary in changing sex. Treatment should concentrate on the psychological adjustment, with hormone therapy and sex-reassignment surgery being viewed as confirmatory procedures dependent on adequate psychological adjustment. Psychiatric care may need to be continued for many years after sex-reassignment surgery. The technical success of sex-reassignment surgery is greater for male-to-female transsexuals than female-to-male transsexuals, and continues to improve as new techniques are developed. The overall success of treatment depends partly on the technical success of the surgery, but more crucially on the psychological adjustment of the transsexual, and the support from family, friends, employers and the medical profession.
I spoke with my HR at length about this, who has been wonderful. I have started a process of having this given a second look, but I am not sure where else to look or what to say. I posted what happened on our internal company "Facebook", on a specific board for the LGBT community.
I fit Aetnas guidelines below (as many of us probably do), so I do not understand why it is this way. I imagine it comes from the ol' cosmetic argument. Part of me thinks if I can provide an honest, factual, valid business plan how my employer would benefit, I think that would go along way. I would think the reduced medication, therapy, and doctor visit costs over the next 2-5 years would make up a lot of the difference.
Even it was a meet halfway deal, like I pay the surgery and they pay the hospital/anesthesia less deductible. Trying to be realistic too. Even though I seem to be the only transsexual in the company, out of 220,000, I would guess there are at least five to ten others, so it is not like they would suddenly be paying millions of dollars more for these surgeries. I wouldnt mind either if I had to have a higher tier/expensive plan. We have two now as it is, a third with more coverage would not be a big deal. Not sure if that would make a difference, but my employer is a Fortune 100 company. Anyone have experience or advice in this situation?
Clinical Policy Bulletin:
Gender Reassignment Surgery
Number: 0615
Policy
Note: Most Aetna plans exclude coverage of sex change surgery (gender reassignment surgery, transgender surgery) or any treatment of gender identity disorders. Please check benefit plan descriptions.
Aetna considers sex reassignment surgery medically necessary when all of the following criteria are met:
Member is at least 18 years old; and
Member has met criteria for the diagnosis of "true" transsexualism, including:
A sense of estrangement from one's own body, so that any evidence of one's own biological sex is regarded as repugnant; and
A stable transsexual orientation evidenced by a desire to be rid of one's genitals and to live in society as a member of the other sex for at least 2 years, that is, not limited to periods of stress; and
Absence of physical inter-sex of genetic abnormality; and
Does not gain sexual arousal from cross-dressing; and
Life-long sense of belonging to the opposite sex and of having been born into the wrong sex, often since childhood; and
Not due to another biological, chromosomal or associated psychiatric disorder, such as schizophrenia; and
Wishes to make his or her body as congruent as possible with the preferred sex through surgery and hormone treatment; and
Member has completed a recognized program of transgender identity treatment as evidenced by all of the following:
A qualified mental health professional* who has been acquainted with the member for at least 18 months recommends sex reassignment surgery documented in the form of a written comprehensive evaluation; and
For genital surgical sex reassignment, a second concurring recommendation by another qualified mental health professional * must be documented in the form of a written expert opinion**; and
For genital surgical sex reassignment, member has undergone a urological examination for the purpose of identifying and perhaps treating abnormalities of the genitourinary tract, since genital surgical sex reassignment includes the invasion of, and the alteraton of, the genitourinary tract (urological examination is not required for persons not undergoing genital reassignment); and
Member has demonstrated an understanding of the proposed male-to-female or female-to-male sex reassignment surgery with its attendant costs, required lengths of hospitalization, likely complications, and post surgical rehabilitation requirements of the planned surgery; and
Psychotherapy is not an absolute requirement for surgery unless the mental health professional's initial assessment leads to a recommendation for psychotherapy that specifies the goals of treatment, estimates its frequency and duration throughout the real life experience (usually a minimum of 3 months); and
For genital surgical sex reassignment, the member has successfully lived and worked within the desired gender role full-time for at least 12 months (so-called real-life experience), without periods of returning to the original gender; and
For genital surgical sex reassignment, member has received at least 12 months of continuous hormonal sex reassignment therapy recommended by a mental health professional and carried out by an endocrinologist (which can be simultaneous with the real-life experience), unless medically contraindicated.
* At least one of the two clinical behavioral scientists making the favorable recommendation for surgical (genital) sex reassignment must possess a doctoral degree (e.g., Ph.D., Ed.D., D.Sc., D.S.W., Psy.D., or M.D.). Note: Evaluation of candidacy for sex reassignment surgery by a mental health professional is covered under the member’s medical benefit, unless the services of a mental health professional are necessary to evaluate and treat a mental health problem, in which case the mental health professional’s services are covered under the member’s behavioral health benefit. Please check benefit plan descriptions.
** Either two separate letters or one letter with two signatures is acceptable.
Medically necessary core surgical procedures for female to male persons include: mastectomy, hysterectomy, vaginectomy, salpingo-oophorectomy, metoidioplasty, phalloplasty, urethroplasty, scrotoplasty and placement of testicular prostheses, and erectile prostheses.
Medically necessary core surgical procedures for male to female persons include: penectomy, orchidectomy, vaginoplasty, clitoroplasty, and labiaplasty.
Note: Rhinoplasty, face-lifting, lip enhancement, facial bone reduction, blepharoplasty, breast augmentation, liposuction of the waist (body contouring), reduction thyroid chondroplasty, hair removal, voice modification surgery (laryngoplasty or shortening of the vocal cords), and skin resurfacing, which have been used in feminization, are considered cosmetic. Similarly, chin implants, nose implants, and lip reduction, which have been used to assist masculinization, are considered cosmetic.
Note on gender specific services for transgender persons:
Gender-specific services may be medically necessary for transgender persons appropriate to their anatomy. Examples include:
Breast cancer screening may be medically necessary for female to male transgender persons who have not undergone a mastectomy;
Prostate cancer screening may be medically necessary for male to female transgender individuals who have retained their prostate.
Background
Transsexualism is "a gender identity disorder in which the person manifests, with constant and persistent conviction, the desire to live as a member of the opposite sex and progressively take steps to live in the opposite sex role full-time." People who wish to change their sex may be referred to as "Transsexuals" or as people suffering from "Gender Dysphoria" (meaning unhappiness with one's gender).
Transsexuals usually present to the medical profession with a diagnosis of transsexualism, a sophisticated understanding of their condition, and a desired course of treatment, that is, hormone therapy and sex-reassignment surgery. The therapeutic approach to gender identity disorder consists of three parts: a real life experience in the desired role, hormones of the desired gender, and surgery to change the genitalia and other sex characteristics (Day, 2002). The most typical order, if all three elements are undertaken, is hormones followed by real life experience and, finally, surgery.
For male to female transsexuals selected for surgery, procedures may include genital reconstruction (vaginoplasty, penectomy, orchidectomy, clitoroplasty), breast augmentation and cosmetic surgery (facial reshaping, rhinoplasty, abdominoplasty, laryngeal shaving, vocal cord shortening, hair transplants) (Day, 2002). For female to male transsexuals, surgical procedures may include genital reconstruction (phalloplasty, genitoplasty, hysterectomy, bilateral oophorectomy), mastectomy, chest wall contouring and cosmetic surgery (Day, 1992).
Due to the far-reaching and irreversible results of hormonal and/or surgical transformational measures, a careful diagnosis and differential diagnosis is absolutely vital to the patient's best interest. In and of themselves, a patient's self-diagnosis and the intensity of his desire for sex reassignment cannot be viewed as reliable indicators of transsexuality. A vital part of the long-term diagnostic therapy is the so-called real-life experience, in which the patient lives as a member of the desired sex continually and in all social spheres in order to accumulate necessary experience. Experience in specialist Gender Identity Units has shown that only about 15% of male transsexuals and 90% of female transsexuals are considered suitable for surgery or still desire it after specialist psychiatric care and a prolonged period of observation used to identify the relatively rare "true" transsexual from the more common "secondary" transsexual.
Hormone therapy and sex-reassignment surgery are superficial changes in comparison to the major psychological adjustments necessary in changing sex. Treatment should concentrate on the psychological adjustment, with hormone therapy and sex-reassignment surgery being viewed as confirmatory procedures dependent on adequate psychological adjustment. Psychiatric care may need to be continued for many years after sex-reassignment surgery. The technical success of sex-reassignment surgery is greater for male-to-female transsexuals than female-to-male transsexuals, and continues to improve as new techniques are developed. The overall success of treatment depends partly on the technical success of the surgery, but more crucially on the psychological adjustment of the transsexual, and the support from family, friends, employers and the medical profession.
Princess Viola
Member
D-did you just copy and paste a Wikipedia article? I'm a bit confused.
People are learning how to state their true feelings in a way that doesnt get them banned.
This too
Johnny Cage In The Shower
Member
Just want to chime in, I learned a few new things myself while having a discussion in that thread: But if I have to be honest, I wish I learned more, I didn't think the thread particularly took stride in full discussion. There was lots of pointing fingers and presumptions of people's agendas from both parties.
I hope a place as diverse and open minded as GAF allows more threads with transgender related topics in the OT in the future.
I hope you guys can have more open dialogue with people from outside, successfully educate the uneducated, and have something more meaningful and insightful to discuss in the aftermath of said threads than how many got banned and how many dodged bans etc.
I hope a place as diverse and open minded as GAF allows more threads with transgender related topics in the OT in the future.
I hope you guys can have more open dialogue with people from outside, successfully educate the uneducated, and have something more meaningful and insightful to discuss in the aftermath of said threads than how many got banned and how many dodged bans etc.
Nah I was just showing Aetnas guidelines for gender reassignment coverage.
I was trying to read it on my phone and I'm like "OMG what is this????"
New Yorker article talking about the Wachowskis (Matrix/Cloud Atlas directors)
Talks about their younger years, as well as Lana dealing with Gender Dysphoria and a bunch of other stuff.
Talks about their younger years, as well as Lana dealing with Gender Dysphoria and a bunch of other stuff.
Gender Dysphoria
fixed. sorry.
GID was finally gotten rid of. It's just Gender Dysphoria now. It's fairly recent so I'm trying to get everyone to start using that term now.