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Transgaf: 'cause boys will be girls (and vice versa)

Kevyt

Member
There was a discussion in my Gender Studies class about a small boy who I think was five years old and identified as a female. I can't remember the case exactly, I'll ask my professor tomorrow but we had a long discussion. We were talking about gender roles and norms that are social constructs. The parents are supportive of their child, an allowed for hormonal treatment and puberty blockers. However I had several questions myself, is it okay for a small child to undergo hormonal treatment at a very young age? I think that any drugs that can alter your physical state can have repercussions. I'm also wondering if the child has grasped the implications and has a clear idea of the process. I'm not against Transgender rights, but I think that the individual should grow up to a point where their bodies are developed an then make the conscious decision knowing everything about the treatment they will undergo, like hormonal treatment for example. I'm also skeptical of puberty blockers, I don't think they are the best method. In any case, I feel that there needs to be more research and more training for parents, teachers, medical staff in Transgender issues.
 
There was a discussion in my Gender Studies class about a small boy who I think was five years old and identified as a female. I can't remember the case exactly, I'll ask my professor tomorrow but we had a long discussion. We were talking about gender roles and norms that are social constructs. The parents are supportive of their child, an allowed for hormonal treatment and puberty blockers. However I had several questions myself, is it okay for a small child to undergo hormonal treatment at a very young age? I think that any drugs that can alter your physical state can have repercussions. I'm also wondering if the child has grasped the implications and has a clear idea of the process. I'm not against Transgender rights, but I think that the individual should grow up to a point where their bodies are developed an then make the conscious decision knowing everything about the treatment they will undergo, like hormonal treatment for example. I'm also skeptical of puberty blockers, I don't think they are the best method. In any case, I feel that there needs to be more research and more training for parents, teachers, medical staff in Transgender issues.

Wait what. Something is very off here. No 5 year old should ever be on transgender hormone replacement therapy and the only case where puberty blockers would even do anything at such a young age would be an extraordinarily precocious puberty (In which case they may be medically indicated outside of any trans issues). I'm assuming some piece of information here has been lost or confused. That said, if somehow this were to actually happen then I'd believe any medical provider involved would be guilty of serious medical malpractice and any parents would be guilty of a form of child abuse.

As for puberty blockers, they are very well accepted in the treatment of prepubescent and pubescent trans children.The entire point of using them is to allow time for further consideration and learning. At least when used in the relatively short term they are considered generally safe and they give the child time to further mentally and emotionally develop before committing to anything with permanent consequences (i.e. Either male or female puberty, be it from their own body or from HRT). The blockers can be stopped and puberty will start/resume.

And I don't disagree that more training and education is needed.
 

Kevyt

Member
Thank you! I was confused about Puberty Blockers. Yeah I forgot about the case an the details so I'll ask my Professor tomorrow. We actually discussed Transgender issues this past two weeks. Some of our classmates, including me, are completely lost about some things so we bug our professor and ask non-stop.
 

Amalthea

Banned
What the WHAT? .....
It's Switzerland, everybody thinks everything is just fine the way it is. Because most people here are just old, rich assholes.

Except if it's about immigrants or foreign relations, then politicans and voters really catch the dumb.

In a few days we have to vote for or against a new rule that Swiss gold can't sold to foreign countries and that it becomes forbidden to keep reserves of our gold outside of Switzerland!

How retarded is that?
 

dani_dc

Member
Thanks for the answers.
After talking with the rest of the team we have now the following for the next playtest today (gotta take the chance of SSB release lines to get some tests):

What gender do you identify with?
-Male
-Female
-Non-binary
-Non-gendered

How does this sound?

Hey, I live in a country where you can't get sexual confirmation surgery until you are 25 but working in prostitution is legal for 16 year olds!

I had no idea that was the case, seems like a very random age decision.
 

Dai101

Banned
It's Switzerland, everybody thinks everything is just fine the way it is. Because most people here are just old, rich assholes.

Except if it's about immigrants or foreign relations, then politicans and voters really catch the dumb.

In a few days we have to vote for or against a new rule that Swiss gold can't sold to foreign countries and that it becomes forbidden to keep reserves of our gold outside of Switzerland!

How retarded is that?

Oh. Guess that for one thing countries have right they have 2 (or even more) that don't.
 

Amalthea

Banned
I had no idea that was the case, seems like a very random age decision.
It was not always like this. It's because of a single random federal court descision because some doc didn't want to operate a patient who was younger than 25. Said patient sued the doctor but the federal court decided that the doc was right.

Well, shit...
 

dani_dc

Member
It was not always like this. It's because of a single random federal court descision because some doc didn't want to operate a patient who was younger than 25. Said patient sued the doctor but the federal court decided that the doc was right.

Well, shit...

Why did the doctor not want to perform the operation and what were the basis for the court decision?

Is there not a higher instance of courts in Switzerland?
 

Amalthea

Banned
Why did the doctor not want to perform the operation and what were the basis for the court decision?

Is there not a higher instance of courts in Switzerland?
He tought that the patient wasn't "mature enough".

And no, federal court is the highest. But it seems like if you have a good attorney you might be able to get the surgery granted earlier in court. But insurances might not. For them this ruling is kinda convinient.
 
But it's all for the lulz right? Isn't that how 4chan still operates?
only boards like /b/ and /pol/ tho

/b/ and /pol/ are shit boards

other boards don't really bother to do any of this stuff cause it's not relevant to what they're about

edit: just for clarification, i'm not defending what they're doing, just clarifying that most of this bullshit is done by users on two boards on a site with many boards, not the board as a whole
 

Platy

Member
On a related note

http://www.translifeline.org/

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https://twitter.com/sophiaphotos/status/535873435160043520
 
Hi all, I meant to come in here sooner but I forgot with all the hours I've been working lately.

The internal site for the company I work for had a nice article about Transgender Day of Remembrance. I didn't know it existed previously but I was pretty shocked and thought it was really cool that they had that as the top thing on the internal website for the whole day. Just wanted to say best of luck to all of you and I see some more people have been able to transition in the last page or two which is good news.

Good luck everyone, hope you're doing well!
 

Hop

That girl in the bunny hat
So I came out to a coworker today.

In order to help him support his trans son.

Think that's a decent reason to do it, personally.
 

Platy

Member
Awesome, even if I am kinda against the "girl name in newspaper" thing =x


Also ...

Capcom Cup is happening today and .... in the introduction video the announcers got Ricky's pronoum right !!!

Video : Ricky Ortiz

Yay for the little victories
 

lexi

Banned
Oh I should probably update. I'm in Thailand ATM once again for the thing that's not FFS, the other thing. Yeah that thing.

It all goes down on Tuesday so maybe I'll post updates here?
 

lexi

Banned
I.. I can't tell if you're serious.

I thought I'd kept this whole thing on the downlow up until now so I'm surprised that someone would know I was here.
 

Amalthea

Banned
I will have a session with my doc on January 7th to transfer my case to a surgician for genital reassignment.

I'm alreaddy giddy! :D
Even if it will still take months after that.
 
So this Wednesday is my first appointment, I'm excited but scared at the same time.


I loathe needles so I don't really want them pricking me, but I know its the only way.
 

Dai101

Banned
Oh I should probably update. I'm in Thailand ATM once again for the thing that's not FFS, the other thing. Yeah that thing.

It all goes down on Tuesday so maybe I'll post updates here?

Good luck lexi!! Hope everything goes smoothly.

I will have a session with my doc on January 7th to transfer my case to a surgician for genital reassignment.

I'm alreaddy giddy! :D
Even if it will still take months after that.

Congrats!

So this Wednesday is my first appointment, I'm excited but scared at the same time.


I loathe needles so I don't really want them pricking me, but I know its the only way.

Congrats too!! Can i bring the drinks? Also we need some conffetti here

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Beth Cyra

Member
Zero hour. I'll talk when I'm able to, god know how I'm going to hold up after being gutted like a fish.
You got this!!!!! Make sure you'll ur nice and doped up then get back here and fill us in!


As a side note I scheduled my preliminary appointment for top surgery for January 5th so I'm super excited and nervous.
 

lexi

Banned
Hi people. The op was a success. Onward to weeks / months of recovery! Thanks for all the well wishes.

I'm pretty lucid. I don't think I really get the high that some others get all drugged up. The talking lion at the end of my bed agrees with me.
 

Amalthea

Banned
Hi people. The op was a success. Onward to weeks / months of recovery! Thanks for all the well wishes.

I'm pretty lucid. I don't think I really get the high that some others get all drugged up. The talking lion at the end of my bed agrees with me.
LOL. I'm so happy for you. Just take care and get well.
 
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