[quote="Nikashi, post: 152251400"]Just chiming in support as well, I am severely disappointed that thread ended how it did, and with Mumei being demodded over it.
But it also doesn't surprise me, Evilore has been extremely vocal elsewhere about not dating trans women, to the point of it being kind of odd to me that it was so important for him that everyone knew that. Him being called called out hard on what WAS and IS bigotry was likely too much for him, so he made sure the person who challenged him no longer had any authority. AFAIK Mumei was one of the few mods still pushing back against the increasingly intolerant attitude of the 'community', so Evilore basically just cut off his nose to spite his face.
FYI Evilore has also let the #ga IRC go to shit, it's just 3-4 people hating on everyone and everything, chasing out new people, and essentially being huge shitbags to everyone. I couldn't take it anymore and left. They even hate HIM, which is the amusing part.[/QUOTE]
That's sort of a selective way to remember it. There was plenty of people being reactionary and inflammatory towards people who were politely stating their orientation while also supporting transgender rights. Maybe you find it an odd and problematic fence sitting position. But clearly people were displaying an inability to be respectful to those people and couldn't actual debate along arguments and points. There was very little being done curtail that landslide of behavior. People retreating back to this thread and gossiping about how horrible those people were for formulating such contrived and impenetrable arguments. Which were entirely personal stances, and people both demanded answers and then denied that they answers we're legitimate.
Not sure about any of that IRC stuff, I don't use that. I think Empressinyellow was the biggest hero of that thread right at the end. People like 23qwerty quickly turned it into a reactionary fest against anyone that was seen as holding some sort of ignorance. While certainly some good points were made it destroyed a lot of confidence people had in being able to comfortably approach a subject in which both sides seemed uncomfortable with the other's stances. Peoples complaints against the tone policing in there were also pretty bullshit. It's especially fine to call out shoddy logic, and it's also fine to ask for respect in attempts to actually sort through the discrepancies.
I forget who it was, but another poster in here made a point that it's best to fight the long and good fight no matter how frustrating it might be that people don't change their position immediately.
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