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Transgaf: 'cause boys will be girls (and vice versa)

alysonwheel said:
(along the lines of: all trans women are sex-crazed man-deceiving succubi who can't wait to get their dude-junk out, which crops up surprisingly often).
Tbh, I think I like that terrible trope more than the supposedly more progressive: trans women are just confused, pathetic middle-aged men with no fashion sense and they'll never perform femininity correctly like cis women, therefore we should all pity their feeble existence.
 
NewGamePlus said:
Tbh, I think I like that terrible trope more than the supposedly more progressive: trans women are just confused, pathetic middle-aged men with no fashion sense and they'll never perform femininity correctly like cis women, therefore we should all pity their feeble existence.
Yeah, there's kind of a dual thing where most trans women in fiction (and most depictions of real life trans women that you see in the news) are written as either the "pathetic" transsexual (what you just described) or the "deceptive" transsexual (what I said up there). More stuff about that here, under "The Two Choices". And yeah, I'd rather see the deceptive rather than the pathetic, personally (although preferably neither, since the deceptive trans narrative plays into all sorts of horrible shit, violence against minority trans women being what it is).

I know eleventy billion trans guys and girls. I don't think I've ever run into the deceptive type, and while I've known a few of the other type, mostly trans people just get on with stuff like most people do. That doesn't make for a good story, I guess, at least in the hands of poor writers.
 
alysonwheel said:
I'm just going to cut and paste the text of the complaints I sent to the BBC rather than go over it all, if that's okay.

In 2010, QI ran an episode with a long and lolarious ladyboys section. I didn't see it at the time but on the repeat earlier this year I caught it, was all WTF DUDE and ranted at the BBC thusly:

It came very shortly after some grotesque (in both senses of the word) loltrannies sketch on one of the BBC's sketch shows; hence the "is there any point to this?" tone. At the time I tweeted at Fry but didn't receive a response. I think he was in the US at the time. I let it go.

Fast forward to watching "Would I Lie to You" at the beginning of this month:

And then in the comments of the entry where I posted that originally (not originally originally, but after I'd sent it to the BBC) someone warned me off that week's QI. Glutton for punishment that I am, off I went.

It was actually reasonably mild, as far as dick jokes about trans women go, but I was already in a mood and tweeted @ Fry to that effect, hoping I might be able to nudge him into thinking, hey, remember how I don't like to see bipolar jokes and Jew jokes? Maybe it's the same kind of thing with tranny jokes!

Nope. Apparently we should learn to laugh at ourselves! To which the obvious response is, yeah, we do laugh at ourselves, quite a lot. But this was Fry using his national platform to laugh at us, which seems a little out of balance to me. But hey, he did his free speech is my BFF thing, me and other people did our, hey, dude, seriously, wtf thing, and some other unhelpful people joined in calling, variously, Fry and/or me a fucker depending on where in the debate their sensibilities lay. It wound down. Someone called me a coward for not starting a letter campaign; I'm far happier leaving it in the hands of people like Trans Media Watch, who unlike me are not massive dicks.

Since then Trans Media Watch has been occasionally tweeting him asking him to maybe say something nice about trans people, or at least stop with the loltrannies gags, since he is big and we are small. No response so far, afaik.

edit: my opinion on Fry is that he obviously doesn't hate trans people, but he's kind of thoughtless, doesn't seem to think that the opinions of incredibly popular and famous people have any kind of effect on wider society, and seems to think it's fine for him to tell jokes about trans people because he's gay and jewish. Ah well.

I'll be honest I think you are being a little over sensitive and quick to complain here.

At the end of the day Stephen Fry is a comedian.

A lot of comedy is gently ribbing of a group of people and the very nature of comedy is changed if certains groups are off limits IMO, Fry himself often makes gay jokes etc and gay jokes are often made about him by guests on QI along with jokes about different countries, parts of England etc.

I appreciate one may find it upsetting but I would hope you can be big enough not to let it get to you.
 
I appreciate the sense of what you're saying, but the question I would ask in return is: where are the trans people on these programmes? There are gay jokes being told but there are gay comedians -- Fry included -- to joke back, to moderate. But as it is these are jokes being told about us, not with us.

I wouldn't necessarily describe myself as "upset". "Contemptuous", certainly. But someone with a platform as large as Fry's isn't pouring words out into a vacuum, and when there's no opposition, no way to speak back, then he helps strengthen the narrative about trans people: we deceive, stay away from us!

When I was first transitioning I knew a trans girl called (let's say) Helen. We became pretty good friends, and it was her signature as witness on my change of name form. Over the years we grew apart -- I moved up north, she didn't; neither of us were ever any good at keeping up with emails, and this was before Facebook and Twitter and other easy ways to stay in touch.

A couple of years ago I was on the BBC news site and saw another one of those depressing "transsexual woman found dead in [x]" articles. They're usually horribly written, delight in telling the reader what the dead person's "real" name is, include pictures of them before transition, and so on. I clicked, and saw her picture. I'll spare you the details of her death, but it was brutal. A death I would wish on no-one.

The thing about the sort of gay jokes I see told on shows like QI is that they're much more "gay guys are like this and straight guys are like this", whereas the trans jokes are, "they're coming to get you, innocent straight guys!" It feeds the idea I see expressed over and over again, on TV and in the papers and out of the mouths of people who are unknowingly discussing this stuff in my presence: we are deceivers, and we are predators, and we flaunt our trans nature as a weapon.

The thing being, of course, that we're not coming to get you. You're coming to get us.

I hope I've provided some of the context that may be necessary to see where I'm coming from, here. I'm going to stop monopolising this thread again!
 
Ok thanks for explaining, I do find the comedy subject an interesting one I remember debates in the past regarding Billy Connolly, I think he joked about Ken Bigley and got some stick and other comedians defending him saying nothing should be off limits.
 

Songbird

Prodigal Son
A good way of putting things, after AlysonWheel's post, is that participation and representation are key. It's hard to laugh back or retort when you or someone representing you is being excluded.
 

Platy

Member
I doubt that a more common transwoman will work for you, since pornographic transssuals are as close to reality than pornographic lesbians (as in a trans that is non oversexualized, non oversiliconized and one that have chances of being so "passive" that will ask you to have sex with the lights off so there is no chance of anyone seeing anything unwanted) ... but you can always try to go to local gay bars and try to find places near your house that are have this kind of public
 

Kyon

Banned
OMG hey y'all :D Gay Gaffer here just dropping a post for support/ love Transgendered people. <3333

Anyway something that always bothered me is that a lot of people seem to think that all gay guys want to transition to woman. I always try to explain that the Transgendered life is TOTALLY different from gay life idk am I wrong? :( help
 
Here's something I've long wondered about. All the trans people here, when looking or in a relationship. do you go for other trans people, the ones more likely to understand you or do you somehow have a bias towards non-trans people, perhaps to affirm your transformation (just speculating here). Correct me if I'm wrong but I'm under the impression it's usually the latter.

Now, I don't want relative answers like "it depends" or "you can't define love". That doesn't work with me. We all have personal tastes.
 
OMG hey y'all :D Gay Gaffer here just dropping a post for support/ love Transgendered people. <3333

Anyway something that always bothered me is that a lot of people seem to think that all gay guys want to transition to woman. I always try to explain that the Transgendered life is TOTALLY different from gay life idk am I wrong? :( help

Yeah, its totally different.

Not all people who transition are 'gay' men, neither do most gay men desire to be female. It's largely covered in greater detail elsewhere in the thread, but basically sexuality and gender are very different beasts indeed.

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As for me... as you may have noticed I was active in this thread a while ago. I've had a break from it all, for various family reasons. Basically due to the Family Religion I've had to put it all on the back-burner and think about it, but I think... I still need to go ahead with it all.

So yeah. Just a little update there. I think I need to go back and see my GP again and see if I can get a referal once more. It's tough dealing with the thought of the family cutting me off though. Anyone out there with supportive family, make the most of it and appreciate what you have!
 

sophora

Member
Lurked around quite a bit, this year has been pretty crazy for me. Not sure what to do with myself, don't really have any friends or family to talk to about how I feel. I don't necessarily want to change my gender as much as pass a girl. Don't know, maybe I'm kind of crazy. Talked to my BF about my identity issues and he's trying to help but says it probably would be better to talk to a psychologist about it. This was a few months ago, I've been busy and it's been in the back of my head until now. Kind of resurfacing depression coming back again about how uncomfortable I feel about my body...

Usually I keep all this stuff private and only revealed this to my BF and closest friends (they actually stumbled on it during a drunken rant I was having)...so I'm not sure what to do about these feelings.
 

Amalthea

Banned
Lurked around quite a bit, this year has been pretty crazy for me. Not sure what to do with myself, don't really have any friends or family to talk to about how I feel. I don't necessarily want to change my gender as much as pass a girl. Don't know, maybe I'm kind of crazy. Talked to my BF about my identity issues and he's trying to help but says it probably would be better to talk to a psychologist about it. This was a few months ago, I've been busy and it's been in the back of my head until now. Kind of resurfacing depression coming back again about how uncomfortable I feel about my body...

Usually I keep all this stuff private and only revealed this to my BF and closest friends (they actually stumbled on it during a drunken rant I was having)...so I'm not sure what to do about these feelings.

If you are depressed you should really seek a psychologist. And it doesn't matter if you don't want to change your gender completely. It's just an option to do surgeries or changing your personal data.
 
Have any of you guys watched My Transexual Summer on Channel 4 (UK)

Basically a group of 7-8 trans folk have been meeting at a house for a few weekends over the summer, they are all at different stages of their transition and it's made for decent viewing and has never become any sort of pointing and laughing exercise (from an outside point of view)

I just wondered how it had been recieved in the communties?

I really feel for one lady on their basically she is only just starting to 'come out' so to speak but she is in her late twenties at least and to be honest will never pass
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Have any of you guys watched My Transexual Summer on Channel 4 (UK)

Basically a group of 7-8 trans folk have been meeting at a house for a few weekends over the summer, they are all at different stages of their transition and it's made for decent viewing and has never become any sort of pointing and laughing exercise (from an outside point of view)

I just wondered how it had been recieved in the communties?

I really feel for one lady on their basically she is only just starting to 'come out' so to speak but she is in her late twenties at least and to be honest will never pass
You know, I saw the show come up but was afraid to watch it because... well, it's a C4 reality TV show. Is it worth watching?
 
On the one hand, it's a big step forward for trans people on UK TV: we've been getting a bit vilified of late (our operations cost the tax-payer money! trans people in prison think they deserve treatment like it's a normal medical condition or something and not just for perverts! and so on) and My Transsexual Summer was pretty revolutionary in that it showed seven trans people of varying ages, passability and personality just hanging out and chatting and laughing like it's the most normal thing in the world. Which it is, but you wouldn't know that from the telly and the papers lately. The participants are likeable and charming and from twitter it seems many otherwise on-the-fence people have come down on the woo-yay side after watching.

On the other hand it's pretty fuckawful in places. Literally the second shot you see in each episode is footage of one of the trans women putting on makeup in a mirror, which is on every trans documentary drinking game ever. It's edited to make the cast seem more heteronormative and cisnormative than they actually are (going by their tweets and blog posts about it after the fact). The narration can be super-fail and I'm pretty sure it did the whole pronoun-switch to talk about the cast pre-transition, which I always find jarring.

I think, despite its many failings, it's been a net good. That's not a universal opinion though!

edit: it's also helped one of the cast raise money for his chest surgery, so that's nice too.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Hah, well, shows of this nature are probably never going to be perfect. Funny that they'd tried to make everyone be heteronormative/cisnormative on the show though... does it just imply/suggest who they are attracted to or something?
 
It's more stuff like the narration implying that genital surgery is the end-goal of all transsexual women -- especially when it dwells on the (shown on-camera, may not be suitable for squeamish people) surgery one of them has during the run of the show, with lots of "becoming a woman" nonsense -- when the other trans women are shown talking about it, clearly ambivalent or not wanting it at all. As if the voice over needs to "correct" them when they deviate from the approved PAIN ALL MY LIFE -- HORMONES -- SURGERY -- BLISS timeline.

(That's totally my timeline, but I know loads of trans people who are totally different; it's quite a representative show for me...)
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Ahhh, I see. It seems like a very specific type of narrative being pushed anyway. Are there trans men on the show as well?
 
Yep, three: a campish gay guy, a weight-lifting straight guy, and a guy just starting out. All really likeable, and two of them were pretty fucking hot...
 
For the record, Donna on that show, wowzers.

Sad on the last show that sarah who was just starting her transition wanted to rent a room in Brighton, she went to look at it and the woman who owned it ended up refusing her claiming it was for her safety.
 
It's more stuff like the narration implying that genital surgery is the end-goal of all transsexual women -- especially when it dwells on the (shown on-camera, may not be suitable for squeamish people) surgery one of them has during the run of the show, with lots of "becoming a woman" nonsense -- when the other trans women are shown talking about it, clearly ambivalent or not wanting it at all. As if the voice over needs to "correct" them when they deviate from the approved PAIN ALL MY LIFE -- HORMONES -- SURGERY -- BLISS timeline.

(That's totally my timeline, but I know loads of trans people who are totally different; it's quite a representative show for me...)

Yeah, for me, that surgery is pretty low on my agenda. I'd see the actual hormone therapy and potential facial feminisation as far higher priorities because those affect your everyday social interactions.

Whats 'down there' is kind of irrelevant to me. Unless I really want to take up swimming.
 

Amalthea

Banned
Its certainly high on mine but I'm afraid of the complications during the surgery and afterwards. Sometimes I think I shouldn't do it.

But:

Too bad I live in Switzerland, where you can't change your personal data without being castrated, what could you expect from a country that has had womens election rights only since 1971? Meh.

Next week I'll have my second appointment for the treatment. In the last months I've been starting to work out all those things I need until I come out. Let's see how it goes. Yay!
 
Its certainly high on mine but I'm afraid of the complications during the surgery and afterwards. Sometimes I think I shouldn't do it.
I was a little worried about that, but I've known (and known of) many, many people who've had it done, and the only person who had serious complications had a different operation to the normal one because she had no, uh, "donor material".

Next week I'll have my second appointment for the treatment. In the last months I've been starting to work out all those things I need until I come out. Let's see how it goes. Yay!
Good luck :)
 

Amalthea

Banned
I was a little worried about that, but I've known (and known of) many, many people who've had it done, and the only person who had serious complications had a different operation to the normal one because she had no, uh, "donor material".


Good luck :)

Thank you, I really think my doc understands me very well. I feel everything will be fine.
 

firehawk12

Subete no aware
Speaking of random TV, I'm sure someone recommended this ages ago, but it's come up recently (I just posted about it again in the anime thread) and I thought it would be worth sharing here. Specifically, it's the anime series Wandering Son. It's a text that explores gender dysphoria through the lens of a young boy and girl, exploring how these characters deal with their gender identity in the context of their peers and their family.

The reason why it came up again for me, even though the series itself finished airing earlier in the year, is that the original cut of the final episodes were released (not available at that link, unfortunately), and one of the episodes includes a short segment about a character who works out his gender and sexuality which was so well done that I was just taken aback by it. It was great when I read it in manga form, but seeing it animated made it a lot more powerful and personal:
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I think if you can get a hold of that episode (11), it's almost worth watching for that scene alone. But of course, the series as a whole is worth watching too.

Just thought I'd share, since I was surprised by how moved I was by the episode. :lol:
 

lexi

Banned
I'm not sure I want to watch 'My Transsexual Summer'. I barely get seconds into any trans documentary or news piece. The cliche's don't even annoy me, it's usually the trans people themselves that put me off, or perhaps it's the way they are conveyed. There just seems to be a real lack of 'normal' going on, and I'm not sure how I can word it much better than that.

I KNOW there are ordinary people that happen to be trans, but you would never know this if all you knew of trans people was from what you see in the media and on documentaries like this. If I knew and accepted what I know now, that being trans doesn't and shouldn't define your entire being, I might not have put transition off for so long.
 

Gaborn

Member
I'm not sure I want to watch 'My Transsexual Summer'. I barely get seconds into any trans documentary or news piece. The cliche's don't even annoy me, it's usually the trans people themselves that put me off, or perhaps it's the way they are conveyed. There just seems to be a real lack of 'normal' going on, and I'm not sure how I can word it much better than that.

I KNOW there are ordinary people that happen to be trans, but you would never know this if all you knew of trans people was from what you see in the media and on documentaries like this. If I knew and accepted what I know now, that being trans doesn't and shouldn't define your entire being, I might not have put transition off for so long.

I know it's annoying but part of the process of society becoming comfortable with minority groups is often seen in caricatures that are highly offensive. In the US early portrayals of blacks in the 50s and 60s were often highly limited to roles as maids, porters on trains, bell hops, etc. They'd often speak with a highly affected stereotypical "black" accent. For another example of this, take the crows from Dumbo. WE know blacks don't really talk like that typically, but that was how a lot of people of the era viewed blacks.

For a relatively more modern example (well, at least 30 some years later) you saw the same thing in shows like Sanford and Sons. Obviously portrayals of blacks in entertainment has gotten better along with society, but I would also argue that blacks BEING part of entertainment was a sign of progress in itself, even with stereotyping it's the visibility that helps.

This post is already too long but I'll just say that gays have experienced the same thing, with roles like on Will & Grace or Queer as Folk, or hell, earlier the premise of Three's Company and Mr. Roeper/Mr. Foley's belief that Jack was gay and the way they represented it.

There is an old saying attributed to Gandhi:
First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
 

Shanadeus

Banned
So, I have a friend that is female and a lesbian, but wished she was rather a man because she doesn't vibe well with what people around her expect a woman to behave like. My friend has always been a tomboy but has found that even that label isn't enough and she has started to question whether or not she belongs in her body.

What do you think I should tell my friend?
 

Platy

Member
So, I have a friend that is female and a lesbian, but wished she was rather a man because she doesn't vibe well with what people around her expect a woman to behave like. My friend has always been a tomboy but has found that even that label isn't enough and she has started to question whether or not she belongs in her body.

What do you think I should tell my friend?

That extreme feminism is diferent from being trans

But there are lots of ftms who were lesbians most of their lifes....

BUT being a boy will not make people expect woman to act diferent .. it will only make her (him) not the target of those claims.... so she (he) will still be pissed about it =P

Basiclay tell her to be extremaly sure if this is REALLY what she wants .. specialy because most stuff is irreversible and the ONLY part relevant is the "not belong to body" part
 

Shanadeus

Banned
That extreme feminism is diferent from being trans

But there are lots of ftms who were lesbians most of their lifes....

BUT being a boy will not make people expect woman to act diferent .. it will only make her (him) not the target of those claims.... so she (he) will still be pissed about it =P

Basiclay tell her to be extremaly sure if this is REALLY what she wants .. specialy because most stuff is irreversible and the ONLY part relevant is the "not belong to body" part

Yeah, I know that the way you feel about your body is what really matters - the rest are just unfortunate societal norms.
 

lexi

Banned
I am numb after reading this and it has ruined my day / week. Extremely triggering, read at your own peril.

Five years ago, I met a younger trans woman, not out yet, just coming to terms with herself, and I decided to be our college’s welcoming committee. I took her aside, offered resources and community connections, and otherwise let her know I would be around if she ever needed anything, even just to talk things out with someone who might understand. She was skinny, awkward, tentative, and sweet, and I wanted very much to give her a helping hand I’d lacked at her age, but in the end, she had more clarity about herself than I had. She pulled herself together, let the important people in her life know, and moved forward more decisively than I would have dreamed at eighteen. She had good friends, her family was confused but adjusting, and I knew she would be fine.

Let’s call her Melissa–not because I want to take away another woman’s name, but for the sake of her privacy and that of her loved ones.

Melissa and I never managed to be close, in the end; we had nothing much in common beyond being young trans women at the same school, and even less once we graduated. She was an irreligious libertarian, and I was a socialist looking at seminary; she struggled with the concept of empathy, with which I was overburdened. She was confused as to why I had reached out, presuming to help, and only came to me every few months, when she needed advice on where to find a decent doctor, where to get affordable hormone prescriptions, how to go about the process of legal name change. I offered the information as best I could, and she took it and didn’t really ever say thank you, and that was okay. We were just different people, getting needs met, and we were not the kind of friends I would have liked to be. Her family came around. She had good, caring friends around her, a job, a safe place to live, and she didn’t need anything from me, which was the best possible outcome. She was dating and working out and doing her legal paperwork and she was going to be okay.

A little while ago, Melissa was crossing the street in front of her apartment with her roommate, bringing home groceries late at night from the store right across the way. They were struck by a car in the crosswalk in what appears to have been an innocent, freak accident. Melissa’s roommate was killed instantly. She, because there was an ambulance less than a block away at the time, made it to the hospital with a shattered leg, head injuries, and Gods know what else, comatose.

I didn’t know, when I heard Melissa’s roommate was killed on the morning news, because the news said she’d been with a man, and my first thought was oh, God, is Melissa okay, does she know what happened, she must be so worried. I left a couple of voice messages, but couldn’t get through, and it was only once I saw a report with Melissa’s old name on it that it hit me: there was not a man hit in that accident. She was comatose, with friends there, and family on the way. The prognosis was very, very bad, like “we don’t think she’ll make it till morning” bad.

She made it till morning. And the next night. And the next. We all started passing around updates of how she was doing and taking time to mourn the schoolmate who hadn’t made it. Family arrived, connected with each other, and everyone took a few deep breaths. Melissa started improving, against expectations–eyes opening, snapping fingers when asked, responding in small ways to the people present though she was semiconscious at best and could not move. They made plans to fix her leg and skull and there was talk of moving her to a specialist facility closer to home, one with real support for people recovering from comas, and against all odds she was fighting. It should have been no surprise: she was always a fighter. She was going to be okay.

I didn’t visit. I’m not proud of it, but I was overwhelmed, and was never close to her. I trusted people she would have really wanted there to tell me how she was doing. I went to work, went about my business, went to my comfortable bed in my warm safe home, and she was moved to a newer, better facility that was going to bring her back from the brink of oblivion, and it was all going to be okay. I told myself that over and over, and did my best to ignore the awful, awful feeling in the pit of my stomach. I’d been trying to keep an eye on the future happiness of this woman since she was a teenager. I’d fancied myself some kind of distant big sister, or fairy godmother, or something else nonsensical. I’d thought for some reason that somehow, in this world of all worlds, she’d be okay.

The message came through from her family once she was far away: they were changing up some of the treatment protocols, for Melissa’s sake. It was going to be confusing for her new caregivers to deal with a woman’s name and pronouns while they had to take care of a “male body,” see. This supposedly male body had been on hormones for years. This male body was one with obvious hips and breasts, with no facial hair, with hair past the shoulders before they shaved it all off, with the effects of years of toning and athleticism and medical care shaping it into one that nobody on the street assumed was anything but a cis woman’s. But there was a penis, and that was enough. Enough to override everything else about the last four years of her life. Obviously.

So they were instructing caregivers to call her by her old name, call her “he,” because otherwise it would just be too confusing to explain. They took her off the transitioning medical regimen she’d been on and started talking about memory reconstruction. Her memory would be heavily damaged because of the injuries to her brain, they said. There would have to be a lot of recovery, and it would just be confusing to her to bring up her transitioned life. She’d been a boy with another name for eighteen years, right? Wasn’t that who she really was, at the core? Wouldn’t that be more normal to her? Wouldn’t she just be better served by rebuilding her from the ground up, from the beginning, with the memories that seemed more normal? Maybe if she recovered significantly, if she recovered enough memory and motor function and consciousness, they could start bringing up her transitioned life, but otherwise, they said, she didn’t need to be confused by all of that. The four years of life she’d found worthwhile could just be wiped away like a bad dream, treated as confusion when she woke up, if she woke up, and they could rebuild her on terms that made sense.

They had ultimate power over her–her body, her brain, everything. She was disabled, and couldn’t speak for herself, and couldn’t express her own preferences, and they were next of kin, and they knew best, and the authority for medical decisions was in their hands. They loved her more than anyone, and had her best interests in mind, and were just looking to her recovery, just listening to the doctors.

And if she woke up as from a deep sleep, she’d wake up into a world where her best friend was dead, where her body had been forcibly edited back to its pre-transition state and given a few more years of the influence of testosterone to boot, where her memory and self were hazy and confusing and nobody was calling her by the right name and pronouns, they were in fact pretending four years of her life, the four years she finally got to be honest and true to herself, those had never happened, and shh, she’s just confused, shhhh, calm down, let’s work on fixing your memory some more.

If she was–as many people deemed unconscious, or low-functioning, or unaware by medical professionals, as many many people with disabilities who can’t communicate the “right way” are–aware in any way of what was going on, laying there helpless and voiceless while her body and life and mind were edited and mutilated by loving people, wise professional people in complete control…I actually can’t finish that sentence, because I am shuddering too hard, because I have a hard time imagining a real scenario closer to Hell.

This is not an unusual scenario. It happens all the time, and in worse, far worse, forms. This is still practically standard in the history of how people with disabilities are get violated, and the intersection with trans status only magnifies it. If I got into a car accident tomorrow and fell into a coma, it could happen to me–I can’t marry legally, and my parents who are not part of my life could walk into the hospital and have my partner removed and do pretty much whatever they please with me, a possibility that gives me dry-heaving panic attacks. There is pretty much nothing I can do for Melissa, except what she is doing for herself: since the beginning of the new treatment regimen, all of her improbable recovery has disappeared, and the doctors are at a loss to explain why she is slipping away again, withdrawing further away than before, and won’t come back when they call what they think is her name. They are now bracing for what has become the inevitable.

What I am doing is this: learning the law. I went to a sympathetic lawyer to make sure I would get what I was working on absolutely airtight. I discussed all this with my partner, with close friends and chosen family, and I am having legal documents drawn up to make sure that the people making decisions for me if I cannot are people I trust completely to make the decisions I would want made. I can’t afford it, but I’m making time and budget for it, because the alternative is no longer unthinkable; it’s right there, staring me in the face. I am having those conversations and I am getting them down in writing, notarized, filed, and copied, and I am going to carry a copy everywhere, and so is my partner, so this never, ever happens to me. And I am spreading the word so it doesn’t happen to anyone else.

This is what I want you to promise–me, yourself, someone you care about. Have these conversations. Be aware of these issues and educate yourself. Learn your local laws and get legal documents drawn up. Please. If you can afford a lawyer, hire one. If you cannot, do some research online or at the library. Get this done and get it ironclad.

Do it as soon as you possibly can. I don’t care if you’re young and able-bodied and well-to-do, I don’t care about your operative status or your assumptions about the people in your life. You know what, do this if you’re cis, too. Think about this, and how it affects the trans people you know, and whether or not a twenty-three-year-old cis woman in a coma would be physically altered and have her memory edited just because her family thought she should have been a man and she couldn’t speak for herself. Recognize that, but do this for yourself, too, because anything is possible. Make this explicit. Figure out what your wishes are about your care, write them down, and share them with people you trust, and then make them official, because you cannot know what will happen tomorrow. You cannot know that you won’t be struck down at random by a sober driver in the crosswalk in front of your apartment. You just can’t.
 

mollipen

Member
Speaking of random TV, I'm sure someone recommended this ages ago, but it's come up recently (I just posted about it again in the anime thread) and I thought it would be worth sharing here. Specifically, it's the anime series Wandering Son. It's a text that explores gender dysphoria through the lens of a young boy and girl, exploring how these characters deal with their gender identity in the context of their peers and their family.

I mentioned the manga early in this thread, and I made an official thread on here for the anime! I didn't know about the new cut of the final episode, though, so thanks for posting!

And I'm going to need to read lexi's post better tomorrow when I have more of a brain to sink into it, but UGH at what I did read (and follow).
 

Amalthea

Banned
I am numb after reading this and it has ruined my day / week. Extremely triggering, read at your own peril.

I'd like to see what happens if she recovers and remembers everything from her past and was consicious all the time during the coma.

God, I would be so pissed off that I would start slaughtering the whole caretaking staff.
 

NewFresh

Member
Fucking hell.

I think I need to write that living will I keep putting off. I can't imagine a worse hell.

I always tell the serious gay couples I know to do this and I would recommended it to anyone trans as well. Too many horrible situations arise from a poorly designed system that does not take into account these kinds of cases.

That story was upsetting but even more upsetting is that it isn't unheard of.
 
Who can I talk to about getting my tag removed, possibly a username change? I'm pretty sure it has to be an admin. It's something I should have done sooner, but I've been putting it off.
 
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