I def don't think Vince Vaughn is close to being as bad as some of you think. There are scenes that played very very poorly though. The scene at the Mayor's house and pretty much every scene with Taylor Kitsch were straight garbage. The camera work (and acting) with the scenes where Taylor is forcing himself not to look at cute men for "fear of gay onset" were so hamfisted. Episode wasn't boring at all though and theories about Velcoro dying in first drafts are idiotic. It makes much more sense to have a cliffhanging just to keep people watching. It makes no sense for that character not to be in the noir movie. He's the one in between a rock and a hard place.
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True Detective - Season 2 - We get the Season we deserve - Sundays on HBO
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Mad Season
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does Vaughn look like he lost weight, to anyone else?
Dick Justice
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Messypandas
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Thinnest hes looked in years. The bags under his eyes look less pronounced aswell.
Anton Sugar
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Askherserenity
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While waiting for tech support to clean out a virus from our server, I took the time to skip through every scene that Vince Vaughan was in during the first two episodes to figure this out.
Per IMDB, "Stan" was played by Ronnie Gene Blevins :
Stan was one of the two guys driving the truck (along with the tall, red headed, bearded guy with a foreign accent) that rear ended the random bookie in episode two so that Semyon could make a point. Stan maced the guy in the face.
Holy shit. Thank you. Who the fuck would have even remembered that? What was the point of killing him? Just to scare Vaughn? I don't understand. Maybe if they would've given Stan a couple scenes being bros with Vaughn or something.
Why didn't they kill of one of the two guys he's always with?
crooked spin
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Thought I was too stoned to remember who Stan was, glad it wasn't just me.
Anton Sugar
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I hope episode 4 opens with Vaughn sitting alone at the bar/diner, alone, halfway through a handle of whiskey, glassy-eyed drunk.
"This is for you, Stan. This is for all the good times we had. I miss ya, buddy."
"This is for you, Stan. This is for all the good times we had. I miss ya, buddy."
You should definitely be watching Mr Robot
Agree with others who've said they should've just gone with Farrell and McAdams. Vaughn is ruining every scene he's in and Kitsch's PTSD/gay/homophobic/suicidal character is far too complicated for him to pull off. The show needs a lot more focus. When you kill off a character and nobody knows who the fuck he is, you have a problem.
I think this was the best episode so far this season, but it's still in an entirely different league than S1.
I think this was the best episode so far this season, but it's still in an entirely different league than S1.
NotTheGuyYouKill
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Wait, I thought Stan was the construction dude
phazedplasma
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Vaughn tried to do one of those "speak with my eyes" thing actors do at the end of the episode when his wife was asking whats up and it completely fell flat for me. Hes so hit or miss this season :\
Freedom = $1.05
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Me too. I thought someone was trying to strangle frank financially.
Stan being a nobody level 1 final fight thug makes that death a lot less impactful.
The show keeps trying to sell us on the fact that frank is Michael Corleone circa Godfather 2 but he just seems like a chump, getting his henchman knocked off and showing up to another guy's bar with like 3 guys versus his army of thugs.
Me too. Turns out it was just a random henchman.
DoktorEvil
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VV's character thinks he's more than he is and his glorified crew is being picked apart slowly by the killer(The killer has to be tied to the Russian guy).
There was nothing imposing about him
fighting a fat dude and ripping his gold grill out of his mouth.
I should fear VV, but I don't. He's not convincing enough to be a mobster. All I keep seeing is Peter La Fleur.
I don't think it's important to know who Stan was, it's just important to know that VV feels that he had a target on him.
Clearly one of his guys dying is not commonplace so it shook him up.
Freyjadour
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That Lynch style intro tricked me into thinking this was the episode where the last two episodes paid off.
Anton Sugar
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Fav part of the episode, for sure.
Insane Metal
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Weak episode. I'm losing interest. :|
Can someone clear up the police jurisdictions for me?
Ani is a state trooper. Woodrugh is also with state, but on the highway patrol. He's tasked with the case because he found the body, but Ani is given lead because she's a better detective (or because state detectives get higher priority over CHP)? And Ray is with local PD (Vinci), but put on the case because Casper's death was already being investigated by Vinci?
Ani is a state trooper. Woodrugh is also with state, but on the highway patrol. He's tasked with the case because he found the body, but Ani is given lead because she's a better detective (or because state detectives get higher priority over CHP)? And Ray is with local PD (Vinci), but put on the case because Casper's death was already being investigated by Vinci?
Not feeling this season at all. I was enamored with Season 1. Diving into the details of every shot, looking for clues. This season? Don't like or care about any of the characters, especially Kitsch and Vaughn. Writing is okay, but there are some really boring scenes that are just tough to sit through.
I hope it gets better, but I'm not holding my breath.
I hope it gets better, but I'm not holding my breath.
If you're going to draw the viewer in, you need to give them some sense of meaning to the death. The complete lack of identify of who the hell that guy is does the exact opposite.
The Horror the horror
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After the success of Season 1, it seems everyone wanted on the bandwagon and the producers accommodated every single one of them.
When will these folks learn that less is more.
When will these folks learn that less is more.
Anton Sugar
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Did we ever get any followup to the tiny naked woman floating in milk from the first ep?
Naked model in the water reminded me of it, in this ep.
Naked model in the water reminded me of it, in this ep.
You can tell he was emoting because his eyeballs were moving. It's called acting, lookitup.
Man, what? Not picking up on this at all. If anything the show has gone out of its way to say Vince's character is NOT successful at the thug boss transition-to-classy mobster boss.
Seems about right. And I thought I was the only one a little lost here
ilikesanta
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How you gonna forget about Tremors?
I was hoping that True Detective and Tremors existed in the same universe.
Not feeling this season. Think the problem is the setting, its just not good and the narrative suffers from it. Where the last season had the perfect balance between Rust and Marty, this just have so many different people and non of them is particular well written or interesting characters, even a lot of the scenes with extra staff is just plain bad. Seeing as we are almost halfway through this season there should be a better hook.
Freedom = $1.05
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there are some parallels:
-That both Frank and Michael are trying to get past the low level game and get into more legitimate business
-that both get screwed when making a huge investment (Frank with his Catalyst dealings, Michael with his Cuba deals)
-Both have government heat coming down on them as this is happening.
it's obviously not 1 to 1 but there's some overlap on the venn diagram.
Honestly, the big mystery for me in Season 1 wasn't so much the killer but more about how the two main characters got to where they were in the present segments. That was the hook for me. Knowing what had broke Rust and how their partnership ended.
This season has nothing even comparable to that. Sure, someone died but I barely know who the guy was in the midst of all these characters and the characters I'm supposed to care about are all uninteresting, Farrel's character aside.
This season has nothing even comparable to that. Sure, someone died but I barely know who the guy was in the midst of all these characters and the characters I'm supposed to care about are all uninteresting, Farrel's character aside.
Corpsepyre
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GAF, I need to ask you something, and I want a straight answer.
Is that a fucking e-cigarette?
Is that a fucking e-cigarette?
Chance Hale
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I'm not sure why anyone thought it was the construction guy given he was Mexican/Native American and the dead guy was pale as a ghost. Thought it was supposed to be someone you didn't know as it implies whoever is going after Vince knows his organization from the bottom up.
We'll see how Vince's character develops. My impression is that he comes off like a dead man walking completely devoid of any real emotion which is supported by the speech at the beginning of the second episode which makes me think the performance is intentionally one note. We'll see.
We'll see how Vince's character develops. My impression is that he comes off like a dead man walking completely devoid of any real emotion which is supported by the speech at the beginning of the second episode which makes me think the performance is intentionally one note. We'll see.
I admit I thought about this when trying to remember who Stan was.
Any stories or characters that involve organized crime (or a criminal underground) is going to allow for comparisons with Godfather stuff, sure... but I have not felt like the season (so far) has been aspiring for that parallel. Maybe I'm alone, I don't know, but that was not my reading at all.
I think the aim is just to show the world around Vaughn's character is closing in on him for whatever reason, and they are tossing in moments where we should him as a conflicted-sympathetic character.
But I don't think we've spent enough time with him, or know enough about him to be on an intimate Corleone parallel.
King Tubby
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You can use this to basically describe every single one of the 4 leads.
Chance Hale
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The others at least joke from time to time and I'm pretty sure Kitsch smiled once
Frank just seems like he's going through the motions in everything he does.Freedom = $1.05
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I agree, but the show wants us to think that it's only now that his game is falling apart. Especially during the last episode, when he bops the fat guy, the fat guy makes it sound like Frank has been out of the low level game for a while now.
If they want to legitimize Frank's character and his standing in the criminal community, they could probably do with a flashback or two showing frank getting to where he is today. The only thing we have so far that's like that was the Ray and Frank flashback and frank just looked like a slob eating a sandwich or some shit.
As someone who thinks season 1 was one of the best shows in the last 10 years, I really gave this a shot.
It has a lot going for it and pretty much all of those things have something to do with either the visuals or the music. Just watched episode 3 and it just hit me.. I don't care for a single person so far. Who is working for who again? I just can't.. I've totally lost track and even the potentially great characters fall flat.
It has a lot going for it and pretty much all of those things have something to do with either the visuals or the music. Just watched episode 3 and it just hit me.. I don't care for a single person so far. Who is working for who again? I just can't.. I've totally lost track and even the potentially great characters fall flat.
She makes them count. She's one of the only people besides Farrell I can tell is genuinely having fun on the set. She's digging that Lady Macbeth game.
Bezzerides is with the LA County Sheriff's Department, and Woodrough the California Highway Patrol, which is a state police force. Other than that you're right about why they're all involved. Velcoro is city PD, Ani county, Woodrough state. Before they knew it was a homicide, Velcoro was investigating Caspere's disappearance (since he was Vinci's city manager), then Woodrough found the body. Sheriff's office formed a special task force of the three of them with Ani as lead. And everybody wants Velcoro to stay on the case seemingly because he's easily malleable to the result each department would prefer.
What really gets me is that even from the initial moments in Season 1, you're seeing these interviews with the major characters as a framing device that are accompanied by flashbacks- often ones that don't precisely (or even remotely) match up with the descriptions of events given in the room. This is immediately compelling because you wonder how the intervening years have led to these characters lying, or being very different from what they used to be, or both, until finally the threads of the past story sort of "catch up" to the present interviews and we conclude from there.
There's nothing like that in Season 2 so far, and I admit it was the one narrative device I sort of expected to be retained as a common thread between seasons. Everything we're seeing is happening in "real time," and we aren't presented with any versions of the characters that know more than we do, so there's really nothing to speculate about except in the same way you would for any LE procedural (trying to "solve it" before it's handed to you).
Sure. I see that- but it is only episode 3 of 8 so the story is still unfolding. That and there's precedence of flashbacking in this season, so we may get that.
damn, I can't remember where for the life of me. remind me?
Jex
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Well, now I don't have anything to say. You really nailed it.