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True Detective - Season 2 - We get the Season we deserve - Sundays on HBO

Could this season be True Detective's Wire Season 2? A lot of people hated the docks at first, didn't like the new characters, missed the old streets, but then eventually it appeared on everyone's top 3 favorite seasons of the show.
 

cLOUDo

Member
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Do yourself a favor and get out of the thread if you can't stand this show. Same goes for all the other people hating on it without actually criticizing anything. It's getting old.

lol
is this guy serious?
LMAO
 

big ander

Member
iirc The Killing through three eps was already beginning to get bad, but it was far more tonally and stylistically consistent than TD2 (even if that tone & style were "Twin Peaks except way more dour and less fun and interesting") and it had Mireille Enos outclassing any of the performances on this show.
 
The killing got better as it went on. Kind of the opposite of this.

Though I'm not as big a hater as some of you. I'm still kind of enjoying this season for what it is mostly because 1) there's nothing like it TV for better or worse and 2) Colin 3) whynot.jpg
 

lamaroo

Unconfirmed Member
yeah the killing was so much worse, i bailed after a few episodes.

i heard it got decent though, so i might check it all out on netflix one day.

The Killing season one was actually good until the ending, but the red herrings they constantly pulled at the end of nearly every episode was really annoying.
 

Salsa

Member
hey guys do you think Taylor's character is gay??? im not sure, the show could be more upfront about it huh

that + stuff like the terrible monologue by vince at the start of ep 2 had me more disappointed than a lot of core plot stuff that seems to be throwing off people when comparing to season 1

that said ep 3 was probably the best so far. Im really enjoying it still



edit: also on the lack of subtlety; dude they could tone down the lynch approach a bit. The eerie bar was enough and doin it for me but the start of ep 3 was so trying to be twin peaks / blue velvet that it got real out of place
 
Conversations in this season are on average 60% shorter than last season's. It doesn't give actors time to method act, and instead they come off spewing one liners that don't feel natural at all... I think Fukunaga lets his actors act (or MM and Woody were just that good), but this time they're following the writer's script hard.

I think this spot on. There are so many characters this season that it gives everyone absolutely no room to breathe. The long drives and conversations between rust and woody were some of last season's highlights.
 
it's really doing kitsch and vaughn no favours trying to channel heath ledger from brokeback and gandolfini in sopranos.

those were masterclass actors of their times. these guys are tim riggins and the dork from swingers.

vaughn especially is just not selling the presence required to believe he's the big Vinci crime boss. kitsch is getting more believable with every episode though. but i hope he lightens up soon enough.

no complaints about farrell or mcadams. they're the only two who seem to be comfortable with their roles.

edit: the occult shit really isn't important, the absence of it is not dragging this down. it's pizzolato's quality of writing dropping, some of the performances and no fukunaga.
 

Dennis

Banned
So to everyone saying the occult wasn't really important for the quality of Season 1, how you liking Season 2?

Where is your Elder God now?
 
So to everyone saying the occult wasn't really important for the quality of Season 1, how you liking Season 2?

Where is your Elder God now?

Even Cthlulu couldn't save lines like

"Shouldn't a reasonable man infer from Ossip's arrival, and departure, and fucking failure to make good on our terms, as being connected not just to Caspere, but prefiguring Caspere, in a causal sense?"

*blank stare*

"What I'm saying is, do you think Ossip could've done Caspere?"

The bolded parts are the only ones that should have remained in the script.
 
Even Cthlulu couldn't save lines like

"Shouldn't a reasonable man infer from Ossip's arrival, and departure, and fucking failure to make good on our terms, as being connected not just to Caspere, but prefiguring Caspere, in a causal sense?"

*blank stare*

"What I'm saying is, do you think Ossip could've done Caspere?"



The bolded parts are the only ones that should have remained in the script.

This post is making me feel apoplectic. There's a certain stridency at work here.
 
Even Cthlulu couldn't save lines like

"Shouldn't a reasonable man infer from Ossip's arrival, and departure, and fucking failure to make good on our terms, as being connected not just to Caspere, but prefiguring Caspere, in a causal sense?"

*blank stare*

"What I'm saying is, do you think Ossip could've done Caspere?"

The bolded parts are the only ones that should have remained in the script.

Pizzolatto was just trying to channel some Deadwood
 

Einchy

semen stains the mountaintops
When they said that line, I only caught about 25 percent of what was actually said. I was glad VV clarified what he meant cus I had no fucking clue what he was talking about.
 

mujun

Member
So to everyone saying the occult wasn't really important for the quality of Season 1, how you liking Season 2?

Where is your Elder God now?

I thought it was very important.

And still do, even more so three episodes in to the new season.
 

aravuus

Member
The Killing season one was actually good until the ending, but the red herrings they constantly pulled at the end of nearly every episode was really annoying.

Pretty much. Didn't even realize Killing wasn't that well received here, I thought it (season 1) was great. Still yet to watch any more, though.

Haven't watched the new TD episode either yet, but I can't seem to stop reading this thread. This is a fun thread. As soon as I'll see two or three "wow what a great episode" posts one after the other, I'll close the tab and binge through all the episodes released thus far
 
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Do yourself a favor and get out of the thread if you can't stand this show. Same goes for all the other people hating on it without actually criticizing anything. It's getting old.

I think everyone who is bummed out about this season so far has been providing actual critique and not just full on hate.

Some of the shows faults so far though are just so apparent. It also doesn't help that the show is called True Detective. We've already had one of those so its difficult not to compare the two in terms of quality.
 

Fathom

Banned
I never read that neoGAF was a rainbows, unicorns and fairy dust forum filled with only happy positivity and that threads were merely for people who were currently enjoying something.

This is a forum where a lot of people liked the first season of True Detective and are currently aghast at the quality of the second season. Maybe you can be all grown up about the criticism and filter out what you don't like to hear instead?

I am grown up about criticism, taking a shit on the show without even making any points as to why is not criticism. "This is awful no one should watch it" and variations on it are absolutely useless to the conversation.
 

Cryxo93

Banned
Interesting insight from the Idle Thumbs podcast on the show. They had a completely different take/reception of this third episode.
 

Jarmel

Banned
This season is clearly suffering from bloat in that Frank's character stuff isn't entertaining to watch (well aside from the inadvertent comedy) and feels like much of the info in regards to him could have been relayed through Ray's character. Frank's stuff might be more passable if Vaughn wasn't shitting up the joint but as it stands, Vaughn is bringing down an already weak season. Many of Frank's lines like "What kinda way is that to greet the world" might not have seemed so atrocious if Frank didn't seem so puzzled and out of place in every scene instead of the vicious animal he's supposed to be. Instead the show should have focused on Ray and have him dip into Frank's world whenever necessary like have him drop by during the Stan scene thus conveying to the audience that Stan was important to Frank and also have Frank put pressure on Ray.

Ray is the only character of value in this show right now as his background is not only important for the case but also intrguing in his own right. It's apparent that all Ray wants to do is be a good dad for his kid but his own self-destructive tendencies make that almost impossible. The conversation Ray had with his dad was also an interesting look into Ray's own self-perception in how he used to be, a straight-laced cop and possibly wanting to live up to his father's own ideals. All the while he has everyone coming down on him and he's rethinking what he should do with his life.

Kitsch's character feels completely supplementary at this point. I'm sure he's going to be blackmailed at some point into screwing up the investigation but none of his angsty drama has so far tied into the case and instead seems like Pizzolatto was responding to criticism from season 1 and he is part of the result. His drama isn't interesting in any manner either conceptually or in how it's being portrayed. We haven't even gotten to the burns on his body and his character already has way too much angst.

Ani is fine although her personal drama is the definition of halfbaked. Part of this is due to the show wasting time on unnecessary characters so she's been left on the sidelines thus far. I feel that if Pizzaman had limited the show to Ray and her, thus would have allowed more interactions between the two and also served as a way of possibly highlighting their contrasting backgrounds. She came from a crazy family and had an unusual childhood environment while Ray had a much more normal childhood.

Not to mention the show jumps around too much from an editing standpoint due to how many POV characters there are and it's sloppy work. The editing team can't find a coherent way to transition many of the scenes so they'll just jump from location to location which hurts the setting. Marty and Rust traveling in the car not only facilitated the dialogues between them but also served to flesh out the location in that driving around in Louisiana takes time. Elements like that help to give a sense of scale to the location.
 
the show wasn't acting like it was a huge deal, Vince was. I don't get the obsession over Stan. He was one of Vince's men, who was seemingly loyal and close to him, and now he's dead. And now Vince is paranoid since it confirms that Caspar's death wasn't random, someone (or something!) is after him. that's it.

and i don't think the season is terrible, it's just that not much about it is sticking. Farrell is fun to watch though.

I agree it's being looked at wrong. I took the reaction as more of who would kill him since its just Stan. Vince is looking at it like it's all linked to him and someone is just messing with him at this point. This makes the 3rd person he's been linked with being killed or shot with non-lethal bullets.
 

Squalor

Junior Member
Man, Nic Pizzolatto has handled Paul Woodrugh's sexuality so poorly.

I know season one's writing wasn't its strongest aspect, but goddamn, Nic, parts of this season have been embarrassing.
 

Ashok

Banned
The Killing (S1,E1-3) > True Detective (S2,E1-3)
This. Plus The Killing had the luxury of not having a revolving cast. Loved Mireille Enos and really enjoyed what Netflix did with the series in Season 4. True Detective just wants to be a "showcase gallery" for Hollywood actors an imho it's just becoming a huge gimmick.
 
Even Cthlulu couldn't save lines like

"Shouldn't a reasonable man infer from Ossip's arrival, and departure, and fucking failure to make good on our terms, as being connected not just to Caspere, but prefiguring Caspere, in a causal sense?"

*blank stare*

"What I'm saying is, do you think Ossip could've done Caspere?"

The bolded parts are the only ones that should have remained in the script.

This is absolutely the worst part of the show so far.

Pizzolato trying to be far too clever for his own good, trying to make Frank too clever, simultaneously realising both the character that's supposed to be inferior to Frank and the watching public that are undoubtedly inferior to Pizzolato may not understand what he meant so let's clear that up (having wasted time saying that bullshit elaborate nonsense in the first place), and all of that without even factoring in the ineptness of Vaughn's delivery and ability to sell us on this character's perceived intelligence.

Horrendous scene.

Not feeling the show 3 eps in. Of the cast, only Farrell is doing anything anywhere near to exceptional of the mains - Vaughn out of his depth, Kitsch wooden, McAdams solid but the role hasn't required much so far - , and the mayor is bringing the entertainment on the supporting side.

It's lacking focus, it's devoid of humour for the most part, the plot is struggling to be interesting, Fukunaga's visual eye and ability to let things breathe is sorely, sorely missed.

It's such a short commitment - almost halfway there already - that I'll stick with it, but it's barely batting above average right now. Far inferior to the first season.
 

Squalor

Junior Member
The Killing (S1,E1-3) > True Detective (S2,E1-3)
This. Plus The Killing had the luxury of not having a revolving cast. Loved Mireille Enos and really enjoyed what Netflix did with the series in Season 4. True Detective just wants to be a "showcase gallery" for Hollywood actors an imho it's just becoming a huge gimmick.
But there's no way this gets as bad as or worse than The Killing, season one, episodes seven through thirteen, right? RIGHT? RIGHT!?
 
I'm really enjoying a story in 2015 showing a man struggling with his sexuality by: 1) suggesting abuse from his mother; 2) his over aggressive reaction to flirting; and 3)his run in with a gay prostitute who uses pills to sleep with women, paralleling his own failed relationship. Brilliant and subtle stuff here folks...
 

Squalor

Junior Member
I'm really enjoying a story in 2015 showing a man struggling with his sexuality by: 1) suggesting abuse from his mother; 2) his over aggressive reaction to flirting; and 3)his run in with a gay prostitute who uses pills to sleep with women, paralleling his own failed relationship. Brilliant and subtle stuff here folks...
You're fucking crazy, man.

Look at this subtlety:

  1. He needs Viagra before he fucks this hot-ass chick.
  2. He hates that this hot-ass chick is giving him a blowjob.
  3. He winces and looks constipatedly uncomfortable whenever any woman looks at him—and all women look at him no matter where he goes.
  4. While telling a story, he needlessly called a guy a "faggot."

Nic is at home like: "They never saw it coming."
 
You're fucking crazy, man.

Look at this subtlety:

  1. He needs Viagra before he fucks this hot-ass chick.
  2. He hates that this hot-ass chick is giving him a blowjob.
  3. He winces and looks constipatedly uncomfortable whenever any woman looks at him—and all women look at him no matter where he goes.
  4. While telling a story, he needlessly called a guy a "faggot."

Nic is at home like: "They never saw it coming."

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coleco

Member
They way sex is used in the season like some sort of shock/taboo/transgression (with the closeted gay guy, the porn sister, the rich mansion with the models, etc.) feels a bit out of touch and weak, like something you'd expect from an 80-90s movie.
 

Squalor

Junior Member
There is still plenty of room in modern media to tell a compelling story about a closeted homosexual, especially one in an environment (the military and now the police force) that is traditionally unkind to homosexuals.

This just isn't it. Pizzolatto has no clue how to write a gay character or write suspense around a closeted gay character.

This wasn't an unexpected turn or twist in the road that is Paul Woodrugh's character development. We've had Google Maps from the very beginning.

He's practically wearing a big, gay dick on his forehead in every scene he's in.

This is only tangentially related, but the fact that every single character has "resting brood face" in every single scene has become so tiresome.

Unrelated: Seriously, though, can someone GIF that Vince Vaughn blowjob face, please?
 

commonman27

Neo Member
I'm enjoying the new season so far. Not as pulled in by the first 3 episodes as season 1, but still looking forward to next week. There's still a lot of potential in the rest of the season.
 
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