Basileus777
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Except the Republican party would control all of congress and pretty much every branch of the federal government and dominate most of the state governments if he was President.
Trump Heat Check: The Donald Grows Stronger?
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WaffleTaco
Wants to outlaw technological innovation.
And he would probably complain to the American people about how Congress is fucking him over...hell he might convince people to go out and vote them out of office.
gutter_trash
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You guys think that Carson is going to let Trump get away with his latest jabs?
Carson has two full months left to expose Trump not being a man of faith
If Trump is able to survive the Religious Right then he deserves to be President for being able to sucker them all into thinking that he is a Conservative
Carson has two full months left to expose Trump not being a man of faith
If Trump is able to survive the Religious Right then he deserves to be President for being able to sucker them all into thinking that he is a Conservative
PanicFreak
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Trump is not strong on immigration. He has never held an official office to help develop immigration policy. He is viewed as strong on immigration. There is a difference.
How will that help congress if he vetoes most of the bills Republicans are pushing?
It's not like Democrats would help them override.
Coolio McAwesome
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This statement is quite telling. Islamophobia was obviously going to be used as a talking point in this election, but I think the war on political correctness is going to the driving issue in the general election for a lot of moderates. I've been saying for a while that the PC police could potentially shape the entire election. If there's one issue where the Republicans are more in line with the general public than the Democrats, it's their stance against PC culture.
I think this is why Trump is polling so well and continues to poll so well. Like him or not, he speaks his mind and doesn't give a fuck about what anyone else says. His policies are awful, but I think a lot of people are fed up with the inherit intellectual dishonesty that political correctness brings.
His racist remarks play only to extremists, but his "I don't have time for political correctness" mantra will resonate with moderates on both sides of the political spectrum.
ItWasMeantToBe19
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I don't know if the party that is against saying "fuck" and thinks there should be no criticism of the military or police ever is remotely not politically correct.
Tinfoilhatsron
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BRB moving to Canada to partake in celebration of handsome new amazing PM and much citizen benefit, enjoy your election America.
Hexa
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Trump Tremendous Potential Fan Ad: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4osI1p8-kG8
Anyone know the music playing during that BTW? lol
Trump used to curse a lot and still does occasionally and seems to get cheers every time he does.
The most famous example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN7KHWdyrbI
Most recently he's been saying "I'll bomb the shit out of ISIS" a lot.
Anyone know the music playing during that BTW? lol
Trump used to curse a lot and still does occasionally and seems to get cheers every time he does.
The most famous example:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN7KHWdyrbI
Most recently he's been saying "I'll bomb the shit out of ISIS" a lot.
And then you end up being one of the lucky ones chosen to build that Great Wall of Mexico.
The wall isn't just going to build itself!
Arkos
Nose how to spell and rede to
See Trump has a jobs program ready to go
HalfBakedProphet
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if by "wrong" you mean stupid and lacking compassion, then yes it is very much wrong
Reading this post has made me legitimately queasy.
Why did they think Paris would end trump? If anything it'd play into his narrative perfectly.
Because they are stupid. Why else would they hedge their bets on Jeb Bush?
OuterLimits
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That certainly wouldn't help them win. If Trump won the most votes and delegates. but Republicans try to give it to someone else, a massive revolt would happen within the party. Not only would Trump supporters stay home, it would be years before they ever vote for an establishment candidate again.
Now you even have people like George Will saying Trump needs to be dropped from debates and Christie needs to replace him. The more the establishment goes after Trump, the better he seems to do. You even have Jeb Bush telling donors Trump will be done by December. Maybe he will, but they have been saying that for months. It appears they are in denial and refuse to believe the polls are right. If the polls were way off, I doubt Trump would be getting thousands at rallies. Plus Trump was the first to get on Virginia ballot, which is hard to do. It requires 5,000 signatures, with 200 from each district. Apparently, Trump campaign turned in 15,000 signatures. He has a better ground game going than many realize.
It does seem Carson is fading some. Be curious to see if he recovers. Even in the recent Morning Consult national poll( not super reliable probably but interesting to look at anyway) Trump was up like 38 to 19 over Carson. Plus Carson seems to be losing support in NH and Florida, although I expect him to hold support in Iowa. Carson recent foreign policy blunders are hurting him after Paris attack. For now, Trump is not being hurt. He along with Cruz and Rubio are picking up some of the Carson support it seems.
exmachina64
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As a listener to Vox's The Weeds podcast, I thought this was an interesting point several weeks ago. We've all bought into the notion of the GOP dying because of demographic trends, but if they win the presidential election, the narrative will quickly turn into the fact that the Republican Party is stronger than at any point since Reagan left office.
I'd say Trump gobbled up all of Carson's lost support.
OuterLimits
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I honestly thought Trump going hard at Carson would hurt him. It doesn't appear to be, or not to a large extent. Plus, the Paris attacks obviously changed the narrative and with Carson advisors apparently telling the NY Times that he is clueless on foreign policy isn't helping him. His statements about Chinese troops in Syria and his rather disastrous interview on Fox News Sunday has given Trump New ammo to attack him.
Cruz and Rubio are doing better in some states, but even in Florida, Trump leads Rubio 34 to 18 or something similar. Even in Cruz home state of Texas, Trump is tied with him at 27. A couple months ago, Trump had 2% there.
Jeb continues to fall. You can't go 20 minutes on Fox News without seeing a Jeb advertisement. Not helping him though.
The fact he has supporters on GAF makes me feel even more queasy. I do wonder why they support him...
Sir_Crocodile
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aren't 99% of his "supporters" here just people who want the republican party to destroy itself though
What, would you rather Jeb or Rubio get the nomination? zzz
Romney was up from June through mid-July, and up in October:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ep...owa_republican_presidential_primary-1588.html
He was consistently in 2nd or 3rd for Iowa.
He didn't win Iowa, Santorum won it. He came in second, which seems to match his polling in 2nd from mid-October through mid-November.
gutter_trash
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if Trump beats Jeb! and Rubio in Florida in March, then he deserves to become President
Hillary is still going to win 
Eighty Deuce
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Nice attempt to discredit his statement by using his ethnicity, there are other types of Hispanics in Miami you bigot.
rob305
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Why are you asking? Would that discredit his statement? Smh
Because Cubans are a political outlier with a completely unique immigration status legally?
Statistically it's quite unlikely he IS Cuban, so instead of calling me a bigot why not let him answer the question and continue the conversation instead of stifling it with childish and baseless accusations of racism?
Where did I say it would discredit his statement? A statement which, BTW was a claim that "most people in Miami were for much tougher borders."
Eighty Deuce
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What you're doing is the equivalent of the paper bag test. I'm from Miami, I'm Hispanic, I'm not Cuban, I hold the same views as his statement.
Right, and Cubans historically, though in fewer and fewer numbers as the population ages and the situation diplomatically with Cuban has been inverted , have held vastly different views and voting records on immigration and general election candidates, than the majority of Hispanics in Florida. As an immigrant myself I find that and their unique citizenship path fascinating. So it's relevant to the discussion.
But you called me a bigot.
gutter_trash
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many younger Cuban-Americans want relations between both countries to resume and want to reconnect with seperated relatives.
Rubio is an old mind in a young body: the more you listen to Rubio, the more he sounds like an 1980s Reagan-ite
Rubio is an old mind in a young body: the more you listen to Rubio, the more he sounds like an 1980s Reagan-ite
Eighty Deuce
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He's from the Hispanic community and is Hispanic himself, it shouldn't make a difference if he is Cuban. You don't seem to understand that you're attempting to marginalize him even though he lives in the epicenter of a Hispanic community. These neighborhoods bare the brunt of immigration in all forms, and it effects them more so than say a community in Seattle.
I suggest you actually read what I posted.
Where did I attempt to marginalize anyone? Where have I even argued with anyone? Where did I actually state someone was Cuban? A few posts ago there was an opportunity to have an interesting discussion about politics and immigration in Miami, beginning with a simple, relevant question, but you jumped on it and started a dumpster fire.
But again, you called me a bigot, so if you want to discuss how to marginalize people on forums, let's start there.
If I, through either willful or accidental misinterpretation of a post, called someone a racist, I'd consider apologizing to them.
I thought Rubio was leading basically everywhere?
http://www.oddschecker.com/politics/us-politics/us-presidential-election-2016/republican-candidate
http://www.paddypower.com/bet/politics/other-politics/us-politics?ev_oc_grp_ids=481890
Bel Marduk
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Kasich is no moderate. If elected president, he would create a federal agency to promote Christian values. He's also a union buster.
I know he's portrayed as a moderate but, with the possible exception of Rand Paul (who is nutty in a different way) all of these candidates are the same.
The Albatross
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So I would never vote for Trump and will likely vote for whoever the Democratic nominee is, but I went to Trump's Rally last night in central Mass mostly for entertainment value and the spectacle of it... And there's a few take-aways.
First, it was packed... easily 10,000+ people. I believe Trump claimed they had 12,000 tickets claimed, which could be right because there weren't any available seats. I've never seen a rally like that at this stage in an election especially in Massachusetts for a Republican, there was a line that wrapped over a mile from the entrance, and people were still pouring in even as his speech was ending.
The environment was jovial, not really angry or harmful, but mostly everybody was there to "have a good time" basically, and it was not very serious. Obviously, Obama got big boos whenever his name came up, same with Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton. Carson didn't get booed, but Trump got easy laughs when making fun of Carson. Likewise, Rubio got some mixed applause when his name was mentioned, and Trumps big dig at him was that Rubio is no Reagan ("I knew Reagan, and trust me, Rubio is no Reagan") and that Trump's own hair was better than Rubio's hair. It felt like going to a wrestling show to be honest.. You boo the bad guy, cheer the good guy, toss in a "USA" chant. I spent almost the whole time laughing at the absurdity of it, but it was fun. In terms of protesters, there was a decent group of some 20 - 30 protesters who stayed outside, some who came in, 2 people who got tossed... Both of whom should have been tossed because they tried making spectacles of themselves (one guy started standing on his chair and taking his shirt off screaming, another who just lost it and started rushing the stage for some reason).
Trump obviously doesn't make any prepared speeches. He speaks off the cuff for about an hour, and while this works in a lot of ways because he says stupid but funny remarks throughout it, in a lot of ways he just carries on and on about topics and isn't good about wrapping things into a narrative. This is essentially the opposite of Pres. Obama, who wraps every point he's making into an effective narrative, but it can also come off as lecturing and staged. But, at least a few times he just came off as rambling last night. Particularly, when he's talking about campaign finance, he scores cheers when saying that SuperPacs are a scam and that corporations own campaigns, but then he went off on his financial reports and talked for a solid 5+ minutes about how many $50million properties he reported on his financial campaign reports... ANd... It basically just sounded like a pointless monologue about the property he owned. He never wrapped it into a point really.
He did something similar when talking about how NBC (or whoever) wanted him back for the Apprentice. I.. .just don't think anybody cares, but Trump can't see that nobody cares about his TV shows (at least, as far as I can tell).
Trumps' points are obviously bloviating populism, but they seem to work with the people who were in the crowd. He absolutely has no substance, but everybody knows this already. "We're gonna build a wall, and it's going to be a BIG wall and I'm going to make Mexico pay for it!" Why.. exactly.. how.. exactly? "We're going to repeal Obamacare because it's a disaster and replace it with something better!" Fair enough, but... what's... something better? Trump does have a sort of refreshing honesty in politics. He doesn't mince words or try to explain away positions he's had. He very clearly said that he was against going into Iraq 12 years ago and that it was a mistake, but that now he would "bomb the shit out of ISIS" or something to that effect, which really got a lot of cheers from everybody (I think just hearing him say "the shit" got people excited). Speaking about the people in the crowd, I was actually surprised by the age diversity and the number of young people. Very surprised by the number of college-aged people there, who I think easily get wrapped up in the celebrity of a candidate. Otherwise, it was typically very white, though not entirely white, but people of color were definitely an obvious minority in the crowd.
He still doesn't seem like a serious candidate... It's really odd, for someone who is so far into the campaign and putting so much work into the campaign, it still seems like the lead up to a Wrestlemania match and not a presidential election. While I'd obviously still never vote for Trump, the rally was actually a lot of fun and I'm glad I went.
First, it was packed... easily 10,000+ people. I believe Trump claimed they had 12,000 tickets claimed, which could be right because there weren't any available seats. I've never seen a rally like that at this stage in an election especially in Massachusetts for a Republican, there was a line that wrapped over a mile from the entrance, and people were still pouring in even as his speech was ending.
The environment was jovial, not really angry or harmful, but mostly everybody was there to "have a good time" basically, and it was not very serious. Obviously, Obama got big boos whenever his name came up, same with Jeb Bush and Hillary Clinton. Carson didn't get booed, but Trump got easy laughs when making fun of Carson. Likewise, Rubio got some mixed applause when his name was mentioned, and Trumps big dig at him was that Rubio is no Reagan ("I knew Reagan, and trust me, Rubio is no Reagan") and that Trump's own hair was better than Rubio's hair. It felt like going to a wrestling show to be honest.. You boo the bad guy, cheer the good guy, toss in a "USA" chant. I spent almost the whole time laughing at the absurdity of it, but it was fun. In terms of protesters, there was a decent group of some 20 - 30 protesters who stayed outside, some who came in, 2 people who got tossed... Both of whom should have been tossed because they tried making spectacles of themselves (one guy started standing on his chair and taking his shirt off screaming, another who just lost it and started rushing the stage for some reason).
Trump obviously doesn't make any prepared speeches. He speaks off the cuff for about an hour, and while this works in a lot of ways because he says stupid but funny remarks throughout it, in a lot of ways he just carries on and on about topics and isn't good about wrapping things into a narrative. This is essentially the opposite of Pres. Obama, who wraps every point he's making into an effective narrative, but it can also come off as lecturing and staged. But, at least a few times he just came off as rambling last night. Particularly, when he's talking about campaign finance, he scores cheers when saying that SuperPacs are a scam and that corporations own campaigns, but then he went off on his financial reports and talked for a solid 5+ minutes about how many $50million properties he reported on his financial campaign reports... ANd... It basically just sounded like a pointless monologue about the property he owned. He never wrapped it into a point really.
He did something similar when talking about how NBC (or whoever) wanted him back for the Apprentice. I.. .just don't think anybody cares, but Trump can't see that nobody cares about his TV shows (at least, as far as I can tell).
Trumps' points are obviously bloviating populism, but they seem to work with the people who were in the crowd. He absolutely has no substance, but everybody knows this already. "We're gonna build a wall, and it's going to be a BIG wall and I'm going to make Mexico pay for it!" Why.. exactly.. how.. exactly? "We're going to repeal Obamacare because it's a disaster and replace it with something better!" Fair enough, but... what's... something better? Trump does have a sort of refreshing honesty in politics. He doesn't mince words or try to explain away positions he's had. He very clearly said that he was against going into Iraq 12 years ago and that it was a mistake, but that now he would "bomb the shit out of ISIS" or something to that effect, which really got a lot of cheers from everybody (I think just hearing him say "the shit" got people excited). Speaking about the people in the crowd, I was actually surprised by the age diversity and the number of young people. Very surprised by the number of college-aged people there, who I think easily get wrapped up in the celebrity of a candidate. Otherwise, it was typically very white, though not entirely white, but people of color were definitely an obvious minority in the crowd.
He still doesn't seem like a serious candidate... It's really odd, for someone who is so far into the campaign and putting so much work into the campaign, it still seems like the lead up to a Wrestlemania match and not a presidential election. While I'd obviously still never vote for Trump, the rally was actually a lot of fun and I'm glad I went.
Oh no, I know about that. I'm talking about some of the people who support him without irony. It isn't much, but it's enough to make me pause. For the record, I certainly hope Trump gets the nomination.
Hasphat'sAnts
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Anybody see this?
This is legit terrifying.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...wont-rule-out-database-special-id-for-muslims
This is legit terrifying.
http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box...wont-rule-out-database-special-id-for-muslims
Vire
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Registering into a database? Given them a mark of designation that notes their religion?
What are we Nazi Germany?
Rockin' Ranger
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rob305
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Thanks for the impressions, interesting read
I feel like him being the biggest xenophobe of the candidates immediately following the big attack in Paris is only going to galvanize his lead position in the polls. Dude is speaking volumes to the most scared people in the country who genuinely and delusionally think their way of life is under immediate threat from foreigners.
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