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[VistraNorrez]

While you're right, I don't know if this point negates the above poster's point. People should be able to debate the merits of ideology without other people, however well intentioned, rushing in to accuse them of attacking a group of people. If a person, and especially a Muslim, wants to contend that aspects of Islam are promoting violence, and a young liberal comes swinging in with "you're being insensitive!", then that's a form of silencing. Obviously, it's eons ahead of being killed for your beliefs, but it's also not productive for social discourse.

The vitriol about "PC culture," especially from conservatives, is largely overblown and hypocritical, but there are pockets of liberals who, in their well-meaning effort to shield people from attacks, try to shut down reasonable, albeit uncomfortable conversation. Personally, I believe that no ideology is safe from criticism - including our own. But sometimes the line between discourse and disparaging seems thin, which is why people jump the gun. And one might argue, what's the real difference between a king who kills you and an audience that refuses to listen to you? In both cases, the conversation stops. So it's still a problem, if a lesser one.

On topic: Fuck this old guy. He wishes someone like Michelle Obama would give him the time of day.

The thing is there has never been a better time for debate. Ever. People are more educated than ever and there is far more interaction than ever. Cultures are far more integrated. And we are more peaceful than ever.
When the King could kill you the audience could also refuse to listen to you and any potential audience was tiny anyway.

In spite of PC Culture, we are more open to debate than ever. The audience is the biggest it's ever been. Communication is faster. And there is easier access to knowledge than ever.

I'm not saying PC issues don't exist, but they are blown so our of proportion. People act like it's the worst thing ever. Like we somehow have less ability to express and debate and it's simply not true.

 

[royalan]

I can't believe people are supporting this black nationalist bs in this thread.

black nationalist?

 

[Wilsongt]

No.

Feel bad for minorities.

Feel bad for black people.

Feel bad for Michelle Obama, who's only guilty of giving a shit about this country while being a gorgeous, intelligent black woman married to the President.

Feel bad for black women in particular, who are assaulted by this specific form of racism every day.

I'm done with the "progressive" label. It doesn't actually mean anything.

Preach.

 

[theignoramus]

black nationalist?

Of all things to be outraged about, this is what that poster found the most objectionable?

 

[royalan]

Of all things to be outraged about, this is what that poster found the most objectionable?

It's quite revealing, I'd say...

 

[tapedeck]

I got physically mad reading the quotes in that OP...

What the fuck..

 

[Naked Snake]

The thing is there has never been a better time for debate. Ever. People are more educated than ever and there is far more interaction than ever. Cultures are far more integrated. And we are more peaceful than ever.
When the King could kill you the audience could also refuse to listen to you and any potential audience was tiny anyway.

In spite of PC Culture, we are more open to debate than ever. The audience is the biggest it's ever been. Communication is faster. And there is easier access to knowledge than ever.

I'm not saying PC issues don't exist, but they are blown so our of proportion. People act like it's the worst thing ever. Like we somehow have less ability to express and debate and it's simply not true.

Something now being better than ever does not mean we shouldn't strive to improve it even further.

Your argument used against you would sound like: "Blacks had to deal with slavery in the past, things are so much better for them now, let's not blow some racism here and there out of proportions."

 

[shadow_shogun]

black nationalist?

He probably posted in the wrong thread.

 

[Silver Arrows]

I can't believe people are supporting this black nationalist bs in this thread.

tell us how you really feel.

 

[Lovely Salsa]

Wow

I honestly thought the guy in the pic was my cousin

Sorry for OT, but there are no words what came from this POS mouth

 

[plagiarize]

I can't believe people are supporting this black nationalist bs in this thread.

Nothing to see here folks. Boney says so.

 

[Slayven]

Roy is a secret Hotep?

Quiz him on white people and mars

 

[Frozenprince]

No.

Feel bad for minorities.

Feel bad for black people.

Feel bad for Michelle Obama, who's only guilty of giving a shit about this country while being a gorgeous, intelligent black woman married to the President.

Feel bad for black women in particular, who are assaulted by this specific form of racism every day.

I'm done with the "progressive" label. It doesn't actually mean anything.

Mmmmmhm.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Nothing to see here folks. Boney says so.

Criticizing clearly racist comments is 'black nationalist BS' now, apparently.

 

[Frozenprince]

Thread about someone telling the first lady of the United States "go back to Africa":

"Y all need to chill everything is fine now".

 

[Shadynasty]

A couple things: I thought the general consensus was that the Obamas were Kenyan, and since when did Zimbabwe get an Outback? Is this guy talking about the steak house or Australian wilderness? And finally how does anyone think she even remotely looks like a male?

 

[plagiarize]

A couple things: I thought the general consensus was that the Obamas were Kenyan, and since when did Zimbabwe get an Outback? Is this guy talking about the steak house or Australian wilderness? And finally how does anyone think she even remotely looks like a male?

Her muscular arms make them feel inadequate. That's my theory.

 

[PopeReal]

I can't believe people are supporting this black nationalist bs in this thread.

Care to clarify?

 

[Shadowhelper]

These are the people Trump is appointing. All racist white nationalists, with some uncle toms thrown into the mix.

I am sure America will course correct come next election, but lots of Europe seems to be turning into Nazi Germany.

 

[MHWilliams]

I can't believe people are supporting this black nationalist bs in this thread.

Perhaps you could explain the sentiment behind this statement?

Biggest issue for me is when it comes to criticizing the beliefs of the religion of Islam (see: Ben Affleck vs Sam Harris on Bill Maher as example).

PC police constantly accuse Sam Harris of being a bigot, when he is anything but. PC people conflate criticizing ideologies and beliefs with attacking people.

For what it's worth, I am an ex-Muslim, 38 years old all of which I lived in a Muslim society, my family is still Muslim and I live with them and love them, yet I think the religion itself is absolutely the main cause behind most of the violence and terrorism we currently see around the world.

If I said all Muslims are X or Y, then that would be racist. But saying the religion of Islam is rotten in its core has nothing to do with racism. This is where "liberals"/PC-people lose it.

While you're right, I don't know if this point negates the above poster's point. People should be able to debate the merits of ideology without other people, however well intentioned, rushing in to accuse them of attacking a group of people. If a person, and especially a Muslim, wants to contend that aspects of Islam are promoting violence, and a young liberal comes swinging in with "you're being insensitive!", then that's a form of silencing. Obviously, it's eons ahead of being killed for your beliefs, but it's also not productive for social discourse.

The vitriol about "PC culture," especially from conservatives, is largely overblown and hypocritical, but there are pockets of liberals who, in their well-meaning effort to shield people from attacks, try to shut down reasonable, albeit uncomfortable conversation. Personally, I believe that no ideology is safe from criticism - including our own. But sometimes the line between discourse and disparaging seems thin, which is why people jump the gun. And one might argue, what's the real difference between a king who kills you and an audience that refuses to listen to you? In both cases, the conversation stops. So it's still a problem, if a lesser one.

On topic: Fuck this old guy. He wishes someone like Michelle Obama would give him the time of day.

There's a wide, wide gulf between "aspects of Islam are promoting violence" and "religion of Islam is rotten in its core". Harris gets tripped way up on being in the latter crowd. One is a discussion. The other is not.

 

[ColdPizza]

Did anyone post the petition to remove this guy from the Buffalo school district board?

 

[kevin1025]

I don't like this world. Find me an Earth 2 please.

 

[RawNuts]

I don't like this world. Find me an Earth 2 please.

Tough luck, Trump administration is already making a prequel.

 

[Fulminator]

A couple things: I thought the general consensus was that the Obamas were Kenyan, and since when did Zimbabwe get an Outback? Is this guy talking about the steak house or Australian wilderness? And finally how does anyone think she even remotely looks like a male?

this guy obviously doesn't actually care about the facts, he's just throwing around random words that he associates with Black people, like most racists do.

 

[Aselith]

lol guys just jokes

Spoiler

BUt not really tho

 

[TheSpoiler]

Lel that dude ain't coming back to explain himself that's how shitposting works.

 

[Silver Arrows]

Lel that dude ain't coming back to explain himself that's how shitposting works.

If this was a Bernie thread, he'd be back alright.

 

[Big Baybee]

I can't believe people are supporting this black nationalist bs in this thread.

Smh

 

[FantasticMrFoxdie]

Infuriating

Someone punch this asshole in the face

 

[MIMIC]

He told a newspaper that? There's nothing "funny" about those remarks. That's the kind of language you hear from racist jackasses.

 

[ISOM]

I can't believe people are supporting this black nationalist bs in this thread.

Anime avatar stereotype does not disappoint.

 

[RageWaffles]

I got the actual issue of Artvoice that this appeared in. The questions that were asked were
1. What would you most like to happen in 2017?
2. What would you like to see go away in 2017?

lol at the guy next to him answering paladino for q2.

Yeah, nice layout choice by Artvoice there. Jim Heaney seems like a decent enough person. He does segments on WGRZ (channel 2) news sometimes, in addition to having his own non-profit journalism org.

 

[Ishan]

Perhaps you could explain the sentiment behind this statement?





There's a wide, wide gulf between "aspects of Islam are promoting violence" and "religion of Islam is rotten in its core". Harris gets tripped way up on being in the latter crowd. One is a discussion. The other is not.

I'm personally of the opinion a discussion on whether a particular ideology or religion is misguided if taken at either it's literal word (eg parts of Old Testament) or interpretation (extreme Islamic interpretations ) is perfectly valid .

Now labelling all people who follow Islam as rotten that's wrong . The notion of if the concept of religion itself is misguided/bad or any particular religion in its current widespread interpretation is bad is a perfectly valid discussion . And can be had over Islam Christianity Hinduism etc .

For example if being a true Christian makes you anti abortion that's bad and something is wrong with that aspect of the religion in my personal opinion . If being Hindu makes you truly beleive in a hereditary caste that too is wrong . Etc etc .

I won't paint all Muslims or all Christians all Buddhists Hindus etc under the same blanket because I'm aware that people interpret religion different in their lives . But definitely calling into question long standing traditions in certain religions up for discussion is fair game IMO . And yes if it turns out the beliefs propagated by that religion lead to violence then something is wrong in that religion .

But this does need a very nuanced viewpoint as where do you draw the line between aspects and the whole religion is that aspect a fundamental part of the religion . Given what I've seen most Muslims just ignore those parts the extremists don't . Just like many Christians ignore parts of the Old Testament etc etc . Sensitive topic but it's a grey area for me so I'm careful but open to discussions and don't consider any regilion even as a whole as above analysis/reproach. But religion is a personal matter and often a very dearly held core for many ppl so such issues have to be handled very careful .

 

[B-Dubs]

Trump's election makes them think it's okay

This guy's been saying shit like this for years though. Hell, he was caught saying shit like this the last time he tried to run for governor.

He told a newspaper that? There's nothing "funny" about those remarks. That's the kind of language you hear from racist jackasses.

Well, that's Carl Paladino for you. The dude is the bog standard racist jackass. It's embarrassing he garnered even 30% of the vote the last time he ran for governor, he should have gotten 0.

 

[TestOfTide]

I'm actually very happy that the Maryland governor is one of the more sensible Republicans in office who is willing to work across the aisle with the Democrat-dominated General Assembly and is willing to compromise.

I'm wondering why other state Republican governors can't take the lead that Maryland's Governor created when he actually recognized that gerrymandering is a problem and he wants redistricting to be given to a independent, nonpartisan commission: http://governor.maryland.gov/redistricting-reform/

Charlie Baker and Brian Sandoval also work similarly. They have high approval ratings because they are Republican but they are smart enough to not try to die on the hill of social conservatism.

 

[theignoramus]

This guy's been saying shit like this for years though. Hell, he was caught saying shit like this the last time he tried to run for governor.



Well, that's Carl Paladino for you. The dude is the bog standard racist jackass. It's embarrassing he garnered even 30% of the vote the last time he ran for governor, he should have gotten 0.

I read up on this charmer earlier today. He ran as a "traditional values" gubernatorial candidate but has a child out of wedlock he didnt tell his wife about and sent work emails that contained bestiality porn and "nigger jokes." This dude is a special kind of degenerate, how in Christ name is he on any kind of school board?

 

[B-Dubs]

I read up on this charmer earlier today. He ran as a "traditional values" gubernatorial candidate but has a child out of wedlock he didnt tell his wife about and sent work emails that contained bestiality porn and "nigger jokes." This dude is a special kind of degenerate, how in Christ name is he on any kind of school board?

He also kidnapped a journalist, threatened reporters with his cane and his bulldog. Among other things. I can't recommend the Daily Show episodes covering his antics enough, the man was essentially the proto-Trump.

As for how he's on the school board? Upstate New York is rural as fuck.

 

[Enzom21]

I can't believe people are supporting this black nationalist bs in this thread.

I am genuinely curious how not being okay with Michelle Obama being called an animal is black nationalism.

 

[Mammoth Jones]

No.

Feel bad for minorities.

Feel bad for black people.

Feel bad for Michelle Obama, who's only guilty of giving a shit about this country while being a gorgeous, intelligent black woman married to the President.

Feel bad for black women in particular, who are assaulted by this specific form of racism every day.

I'm done with the "progressive" label. It doesn't actually mean anything.

This. So much this shit right here. How dare a Black woman be intelligent, beautiful and married to a President.

Fuck these racist pieces of shits and anyone enabling them.

 

[Caelus]

I am genuinely curious how not being okay with Michelle Obama being called an animal is black nationalism.

He'll never come back and explain this post, meanwhile, he'll keep posting his thoughts regarding black communities and Bernie Sanders.

 

[Madness]

Pretty telling that all criticism of the Obama's somehoe invokes their blackness or racist stereotypes. Some Israeli politician had tweeted that Obama was like her coffee, black and weak. Michelle is perhaps one of the smartest first ladies the US will ever have and yet look at the shit she gets. All of you will rue the missed opportunity you had to truly make america great with the Obamas in office as you welcome the Trumps.

 

[Slayven]

I am genuinely curious how not being okay with Michelle Obama being called an animal is black nationalism.

It is out of left field as fuck, unless you think any time black people supporting other black people in the face of racism and oppression is black nationalism.

 

[EdibleKnife]

It is out of left field as fuck, unless you think any time black people supporting other black people in the face of racism and oppression is black nationalism.

It would seem like nationalism to a person who fundamentally doesn't understand or want to understand what oppression is.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

Lel that dude ain't coming back to explain himself that's how shitposting works.

That was the definition of a shit post......

That's all I am going to say.....

 

[BaasRed]

Democrats need to drop the politeness and sarcasm and hound these vermin and expose them for what they are. Absolutely disgusting.

 

[Zeus Molecules]

NY is underrated when it comes to virulent racists. Trump is the fucking president and he's from Queens, NY.

Yep,

Also Upstate NY is like the south in a lot of ways.

 

[Psychoward]

I can't believe people are supporting this black nationalist bs in this thread.

Haha, what? I'd say you meant to say white but knowing your post history I wouldn't count on it. What the fuck is black nationalist about this thread?

 

[DontBeThatGuy]

Haha, what? I'd say you meant to say white but knowing your post history I wouldn't count on it. What the fuck is black nationalist about this thread?

Royalan got him all fucked up.

 

[LabouredSubterfuge]

Cunt.

 

[Angelus Errare]

Democrats need to drop the politeness and sarcasm and hound these vermin and expose them for what they are. Absolutely disgusting.

They should but the Democratic party is all about purity tests.