It's also been shown again and again that marginal Democrat voters aren't motivated by hatred, otherwise this election would have been a cakewalk.
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Trump NY co-chair hopes Michelle Obama is "let loose in the outback of Zimbabwe"
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It's also been shown again and again that marginal Democrat voters aren't motivated by hatred, otherwise this election would have been a cakewalk.
Yep. Stay out of upstate unless you're in one of the cities.
You'll see plenty of confederate flags and AK47 bumper stickers.
victreeb3l
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Yeeeep. NYC is a bubble and even we have our fair share of racist assholes too.
Frozenprince
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Can confirm, most of Columbia and Rensselaer are racist shitholes that are indistinguishable from Alabama.
Here's Boney's response... for some odd reason they couldn't post it here.
Mechanized
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What a piece of fucking human garbage. People thought 2016 was the worst. Buckle up.
Wait what?
Psychoward
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Is he trying to say fake allies don't exist or something? Because they absolutely fucking do lol, for pretty much every minority
Talking about normalization, maybe he could talk about the normalization of outspoken bigotry that a lot of "allies" see no real issue with.
Give me a break.
From Buffalo here. Used to defend the area since the cities aren't quite so racist, but this election brought out the honesty in a lot of people. And by that I mean there's a lot more open Trump support than I thought there would be. I'm disappointed and disgusted by that. Because of that, Paladino's remarks, while shocking in content, aren't surprising in tone. And I want to move now more than ever.
BinaryPork2737
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I won't derail the other thread with a response. I don't get how any of the backlash against Paladino's bullshit is "black power being radicalized into action" or a "denial of the existence of white allies." I don't understand how white allies are relevant to Paladino at all unless Boney is claiming that Paladino is somehow a white ally?
The "Christmas shenanigans left me unable to respond, but I was totally able to make my shitpost beforehand lol" statement is just the cherry on top.
EdibleKnife
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He doesn't know what he's talking about. Simple as that.
Far Upstate, near Rochester, is straight up just like the south. It's stunning.
There is absolutely nothing stopping Boney from posting in this thread.
Boney didn't want to have a discussion, Boney wanted to make a driveby shit post.
The fact that Boney posted a response in a different thread proves that.
No courage to backup their bullshit.
So the "real problem" is that Black people are getting too angry and ignoring white people? jfc
Silver Arrows
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Can't have black people getting equality before us white people, right? /s
Frozenprince
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Fact that he ran away and made another thread instead of address that shit speaks immensely to his character.
Silver Arrows
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And when I called him out on it...he made a quick post trying to handwave it away and promptly ran off again.
And lets you know where his arguments are coming from
IrishNinja
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damn man, what happened to you
This is the textbook definition of black separatism. I don't support the new black panthers, is that a controversial statement here?
And for anybody who is still being dense, of course the fucker here is a racist piece of shit and I'm always shocked at how saying this doesn't force a resignation of public officials that take part of such extreme forms of racism. I was so shocked I read it out loud to my dad at how crazy something like this having impunity. But I didn't express my indignation here because everyone else already covered it.
Is the argument that all people who voted for trump not irredeemable and that the Democratic Party operates under austerity principles really that mind blowing?
It's in the vein of desensitizing the "not black" including other minorities.
EdibleKnife
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What is separatist about telling people to stop feeling bad for "progressives" and actually have more empathy for the group that actually has to deal with being in the crosshairs of the bigoted rhetoric in question? How is that anything like "black nationalism"? If this was homophobic rhetoric there'd be nothing wrong with stressing having empathy for LGBTQ peoples. If this was sexist, there'd be nothing wrong with stressing having empathy for women. These are the people that pay for statements like this and deal with when people like him go on to affect policy not just progressives in general.
Mammoth Jones
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I'm confused. How is that the textbook definition of Black separatism?
Do you even know what the term means?
"Black separatism is a separatist political movement that seeks separate economic and cultural development for those of African descent in societies, particularly in the United States"
Frozenprince
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Nothing he said had anything to do with black separatism. It's to do with the exhaustion of people that talk about being allies when they clearly aren't.
That being hard to grasp for you is all anybody needs to know.
That being hard to grasp for you is all anybody needs to know.
BinaryPork2737
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That post has nothing to do with black nationalism or black separatism. It deals with a sentiment of disillusion in regard to people who call themselves "progressives," and presenting it otherwise is being completely disingenuous.
You really should have quoted the post you were referring to in your vague driveby post in the first place. Nothing in your post referenced royalan's post.
Silver Arrows
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That is the crux of the entire argument, and one that Boney continues to dance around.
Ali-like in it's gracefulness, but disgusting nonetheless.
Boney, white 'moderates' actively don't care about minorities. They only use them to further their own ends. But of course, somebody so hard into the Bernie kool-aid like you can't see that. You think you can simply make income equality a thing and have the problems go away? No. Moderates and the virulent will use said income equality to better themselves, and fuck minorities in the big picture.
Mammoth Jones
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Probably the whole "focusing on Black people is racist against everyone else!" I fucking hate that bullshit because it basically relegates the issues facing Black people and Black women in particular.
Silver Arrows
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Then that would eliminate the entire point of a vague shitpost. Better to paint with a wide brush.
Mammoth Jones
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Reminds me of the whole "Black are the REAL racists" bullshit.
Captin Quacker
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Which is hilarious considering all the atrocities black people have faced throughout history
Silver Arrows
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Exactly. Especially considering Boney being a pretty hardcore Bernie or buster, it makes sense to blame minorities for not having his horse in the race for the Presidency, alongside the other factors.
As others have pointed out, this is not an example of black separatism. Words have meaning.
There is nothing "separatist" about pointing out how specific racist messages are targeted at specific people. And we won't be able to truly combat the bigotry taking hold in this country until we acknowledge that. The shit that came out of this waste of oxygen's mouth was not only disgusting racist insult aimed at the First Lady, it was aimed at all black women, who deal with some form of the statements this man made in their daily lives. Heck, even as a black man, I can only empathize.
This was not a "Oh gosh, doesn't this just suck for all of us progressives???" moment. This sucks for all minorities, black women especially, whether you're "progressive" (whatever the fuck that's come to mean these days) or not.
IrishNinja
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how is that even remotely what was being talked about here? yes, the notion that you'd find these comments reprehensible but still black unity & efforts to combat injustice as "nationalism"/"separatism" in the wake of that is so inane that i literally don't know where to start.
a speech on why "allies" like myself very clearly sympathiz, but don't live it, so maybe it's not ours to say what manners of resistance to white supremacy (so proudly on display with quotes like this) are "acceptable"? why this ongoing effort of yours is kinda key to illustrating the problem elements of the left/bernie bros have had with race? the fact that trump supporters at best enabling individuals like this is why no, they're not entitled to the benefit of the doubt in situations like these? i mean, you seem lost enough here that we could start virtually anywhere.
So you don't know what the fuck you're talking about huh? That's why it took so long for you to respond?
Nothing in Royalan's post suggested "black separatism" and this is an odd thread for you to throw that out.
You have an odd view of black people by the way.
Also, people weren't being dense. Your only post in a thread about a racist was to complain about black people.
Theonik
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The tire fire IS their voice. They are speaking to a very particular group of people that care for the smell but not to necessarily admit to it.
theignoramus
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I see that thread about the Nazi armed march in Montana has less than 100 posts, but let it have been a thread about Black people inconveniencing drivers on a highway and it would have had hundreds of posts.
It would be a whole lot of this:
And I have no doubt that Boney would be one of those voices.
Miles Quaritch
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How in the fuck do you go from bleating about black nationalism to crying about black separatism?
How? I literally can't connect any of the dots? The fuck are you even trying to say? Boney, you high or drunk or something? Too much egg nog or Alex Jones/Stomfront?
How? I literally can't connect any of the dots? The fuck are you even trying to say? Boney, you high or drunk or something? Too much egg nog or Alex Jones/Stomfront?
Uh what's the problem?
My problem with the remark is that it positioned to undermine other forms of oppression; patriarchy, heterosexism, classism and a transversal ecological oppression. My problem isn't with raising awareness of racial injustice, but to position it as a superior moral obligation over all other forms of oppression.
If someone can find a black issues should be in the back burner post from me, then perma ban me. I'm an advocate of affirmative action and you'll find me right there on the street protesting with any brother or sister.
Now, in hindsight it is an unwarranted inflammatory statement that could've been made is a much better and constructive way, and I apologize for that. But my sentiment still stands, it's a destructive attitude that focuses of the separation of exploitative systems obscuring the transversal mechanisms behind them.
Take pity on the coddled liberals isn't my point, nor it's subjugation under the white machine and wait your turn.
Frozenprince
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No you don't get to brush off your comment as poor wording and proclaim yourself an ally when you very clearly don't understand wtf you're talking about or wtf the issues that people are actually trying to raise here. You misconstrued the very core point that was being made in order to make it about yourself and your own issues with how things are being done.
Royalan very clearly and correctly said that black women are arguably the most marginalized people on the planet, and he'd be right, black women face the most outward and effective discrimination in our country and even other minorities can only ever just empathize and try and sympathize with them to move forward.
You made it into something it isn't because you're mad that people are attempting to finally no longer sit in silence and propagate these issues one at a time. Yes, all marginalized groups are important and deserve representation, but someone has to be first and someone has to lead the charge. Not one person in this thread ever tried to make it so their issues should be put on a pedestal, but you.
Royalan very clearly and correctly said that black women are arguably the most marginalized people on the planet, and he'd be right, black women face the most outward and effective discrimination in our country and even other minorities can only ever just empathize and try and sympathize with them to move forward.
You made it into something it isn't because you're mad that people are attempting to finally no longer sit in silence and propagate these issues one at a time. Yes, all marginalized groups are important and deserve representation, but someone has to be first and someone has to lead the charge. Not one person in this thread ever tried to make it so their issues should be put on a pedestal, but you.
EdibleKnife
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Again where exactly did Roylan express a disdain or minimization of other forms of oppression or even suggested the idea of black separatism? Because that seems to be something extruded from your mind only due to the fact that being black was the focus of the post. Solidarity with black women was the focus of Roylan's post because the idiot's comments are damaging toward black women. There's nothing wrong with the suggestion that people should stop feeling bad for progressives and start feeling bad for the people that suffer. All progressives aren't going to feel the same pain or put up with the same scars that black women will from the co-chair's comments. This applies to every oppressed group but we just so happen to be talking about black women in this particular case/topic and you're considering that black nationalism for no reason. As a cis male and a trans ally, transphobic comments and legislation can be bandied about in front of me all day long but I don't want people to feel empathy for me because I'm not the demographic that has to suffer for such views. Same with "I feel sorry for progressives". There's alot of people who are under the umbrella of being called progressive who don't suffer consequences for regressive ideals. If we don't focus on who actually does pay for regressive ideals, we get a bs "we are the world" situation where the impact on the specific group being targeted is lost.
Mammoth Jones
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Same problem Black people always have when we express our situation. "Shut the fuck up you ain't the only people with problems". Thanks, ally....
It's not that your statement was inflammatory. it's that it was factually incorrect. Black people mention their issues and your gut reaction is to wave a finger at us and chastise us for not waiting our turn and accusing us of wanting to put ourselves ahead of every other minority? Fuck out of here with this bullshit.
What are you talking about? Michelle is constantly called an ape. Supporting her and point out the specfiic instances and attacks used on Black women and showing them some love is going to set shit back?
Fuck that noise, what sets shit back is people thinking empathy zero sum game. From your current statements it seems you either not verse in the issues faced by minorities or you don't think they warrant attention.
Those are the attitudes that earns "Allies" the side eye.
Darryl M R
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With allies like these you really don't need enemies.
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