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[KSweeley]

As a liberal white guy, sure, it sucks that the policies I want to see defended and introduced are fucked for the next 2-4 years, but it's a drop in the bucket compared to what visible minorities and women are going to have to suffer through, which is itself just a multiplier of what they already have to suffer. I'm depressed, but chances are, I'll be all right. They're the ones who need our help and support.

^This. I'm a Korean-American living in fortunately a liberally progressive city of Baltimore, Maryland in the U.S. and I am just terrified what's going to happen to the U.S. during Trump's term as President. I thought things were worse under George W. Bush but now it's going to be a whole lot worse under Trump.

I'm glad however that the recently sworn in Baltimore City Council (sworn in on December 8, 2016) adopted this resolution through an unanimous vote on the very same day that they got sworn in, it shows the City Council has the backbone to stand up against Trump:https://baltimore.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=4837582&GUID=2D1DBAA2-F0FB-4FBC-B0EF-AB414C41BD32

CITY OF BALTIMORE
COUNCIL BILL 16-0001R
(Resolution)

Introduced by: Councilmembers Dorsey, Cohen, Middleton, Scott, Stokes, Burnett, Sneed,
Henry, Bullock, Clarke

Introduced and adopted: December 8, 2016

A COUNCIL RESOLUTION CONCERNING

The Election of Donald Trump and Mike Pence as President and Vice-President of the
United States of America

FOR the purpose of opposing and condemning divisive and scapegoating rhetoric, rooted in hate and prejudice, and used, approved of, or encouraged by President-Elect Donald Trump targeting historically disenfranchised, marginalized, and oppressed groups.

Recitals

WHEREAS, during the 2016 United States Presidential Campaign and in the weeks following Election Day, Donald Trump and Mike Pence used, approved of, or encouraged divisive and scapegoating rhetoric, rooted in hate and prejudice, and as a result historically disenfranchised, marginalized, and oppressed groups face an increase in hate speech and acts of violence.

WHEREAS, the election of Donald Trump and Mike Pence as President and Vice-President of the United States of America has stoked fear and apprehension among Americans including among historically disenfranchised, marginalized, and oppressed groups who may fear that the Rights guaranteed them as Americans will be compromised, undermined, or taken from them.

WHEREAS, Baltimore City is a majority Black city with a thriving and growing New American population, and women are the backbone of Baltimore community and civic life, meaning that the majority of Baltimoreans have been directly impacted by the rhetoric of President-Elect Donald Trump.

WHEREAS, President-Elect Donald Trump’s use, approval, and encouragement of rhetoric and threats targeting historically disenfranchised, marginalized, and oppressed groups has emboldened those with hate in their hearts, and that rhetoric and acts of hate must be met and surmounted by acts of compassion and resistance.

WHEREAS, to remain silent in response to rhetoric and acts of hatred and prejudice is to be complicit in those words and actions.

NOW, THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED BY THE CITY COUNCIL OF BALTIMORE, That the Council joins elected bodies from cities across our nation and the majority of Americans who oppose and condemn the false narrative and scapegoating rhetoric promoted by President-Elect Donald Trump.

AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, That the Council opposes and condemns President-Elect Donald Trump’s use, approval, and/or encouragement of rhetoric and threats targeting New Americans, Muslim Americans, Jewish Americans, women, persons of color, LGBTQ Americans, Americans with disabilities, and other groups targeted by President-Elect Trump or those who will be unfairly targeted and scapegoated in the future. Acts of violence have already been committed by supporters and others emboldened by President-Elect Trump’s rhetoric, and these communities remain at increased risk of violence, harassment, and discrimination as a result.

AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, That the Council calls on Baltimoreans and all Americans to speak out as allies when any group is slandered or targeted by prejudiced words or violent acts.

9 AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, That the Council will actively work to protect historically disenfranchised, marginalized, and oppressed persons.

AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, That the Council stands in solidarity with New Americans, those targeted based on their religious background or culture, those targeted based on their race or ethnicity, or gender or sexual orientation, or those unfairly targeted and scapegoated on the basis of prejudice and hatred.

AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, That the Council is committed to holding our law enforcement agencies accountable in their responsiveness and compassion to any instance of violence or harassment perpetrated on the basis of prejudice and hatred.

AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, That the Council is committed to police reform in Baltimore City that achieves true community policing, makes use of non-lethal force the norm, rebukes the combative and adversarial relationship that remains from the days of zero-tolerance policing, and that provides community oversight for the police department.

AND BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED, That the Council commits to doubling down on progressive policies that recognize that diversity is not simply our strength relied upon today, but the fuel that propels us into a future filled with promise.

 

[KingK]

No.

Feel bad for minorities.

Feel bad for black people.

Feel bad for Michelle Obama, who's only guilty of giving a shit about this country while being a gorgeous, intelligent black woman married to the President.

Feel bad for black women in particular, who are assaulted by this specific form of racism every day.

I'm done with the "progressive" label. It doesn't actually mean anything.

I kinda get your point, but I mean, a majority of minority voters, black people, especially black women, and in particular Michelle Obama, would be considered progressive. Similarly, minority women are probably one of the biggest parts of the working class, so it always seems weird to me when people on either side seem to imply "progressive" or "working class" are somehow exclusive to white people.

I feel like you're aiding in the entrenchment of a false dichotomy that's tearing apart the left (the notion that identity and class politics are separate, distinct, and often in conflict, rather than intrinsically linked and unable to be separated).

Also, while minorities and women will undoubtedly get it worse than white men and I don't want to imply any equivalency at all in severity, let's not act like poor white people aren't going to get fucked too. Kinda tired of this attitude that poor white people, even those who voted for Clinton, deserve no sympathy and any attempt to empathize with them makes you a racist sympathizer.

I'm a poor white male (and "progressive") who voted for Clinton and am probably going to lose my healthcare because of Trump. So is most of my family (who also voted Clinton). According to your post nobody should feel sorry for me. Guess I better start looking for deals on bootstraps.

 

[Big Baybee]

Kinda tired of this attitude that poor white people, even those who voted for Clinton, deserve no sympathy and any attempt to empathize with them makes you a racist sympathizer.

I've never seen this attitude directed towards poor white Clinton supporters.

 

[Caelus]

I'm a poor white male (and "progressive") who voted for Clinton and am probably going to lose my healthcare because of Trump. So is most of my family (who also voted Clinton). According to your post nobody should feel sorry for me. Guess I better start looking for deals on bootstraps.

His post is specific to the intersection of people who experience the sort of racism the topic pertains to, the sort which visible minorities experience. Just because he isn't mentioning your demographic specifically doesn't mean you should jump to your victimization.

In addition, the anger is directed towards poor whites who voted against their own interests in favor of throwing minorities under the bus, it's clear you're not one of those people, so where do you see a lack of empathy towards you? You're still one of the disenfranchised groups to be fucked over by a Trump presidency.

 

[KingK]

I've never seen this attitude directed towards poor white Clinton supporters.

I mean, re-read the post I quoted and what he was responding too? The guy he quoted said "I feel bad for progressives in America" (which includes some poor white Clinton voters like myself) and royalan replied saying "nope."

 

[AntraxSuicide]

I feel like you're aiding in the entrenchment of a false dichotomy that's tearing apart the left (the notion that identity and class politics are separate, distinct, and often in conflict, rather than intrinsically linked and unable to be separated).

This part is false. Linked is right, but you can absolutely separate these things. As white men, neither of us has to worry about encounters with the police. But I don't care how rich you are, if you're black, you've got a real chance of not making it through a traffic stop.

That's just one example. "But what about me" is not a great line from an ally.

 

[KingK]

His post is specific to the intersection of people who experience the sort of racism the topic pertains to, the sort which visible minorities experience. Just because he isn't mentioning your demographic specifically doesn't mean you should jump to your victimization.

In addition, the anger is directed towards poor whites who voted against their own interests in favor of throwing minorities under the bus, it's clear you're not one of those people, so where do you see a lack of empathy towards you? You're still one of the disenfranchised groups to be fucked over by a Trump presidency.

If he's just referring to this specific example then fine, that's fair, although the post he quoted seemed to be talking about Trumpism in general. And that poster specifically is one who I've seen push that false dichotomy I talked about, so I interpreted his post to be more general in that context.

Edit: rereading, he was probably being specific to this instance and I jumped the gun. The post does make more sense in that context, so I apologize. I still think the rest of my post about the misappropriation of the labels like progressive and working class, and the false dichotomy a lot of people have been pushing between class and identity stands, but may not have been relevant to that specific post.

 

[KingK]

This part is false. Linked is right, but you can absolutely separate these things. As white men, neither of us has to worry about encounters with the police. But I don't care how rich you are, if you're black, you've got a real chance of not making it through a traffic stop.

That's just one example. "But what about me" is not a great line from an ally.

This is true, but a poor black person is also incredibly more likely to have a negative and dangerous encounter with police than a wealthy black person (who is still more likely to face danger than a white person in most cases).

That's what I'm talking about, and why even when you try to separate them in areas where it seems to make sense, you can't go further than the surface level of an issue without both factors coming into play.

Edit: also this isn't a "but what about me" post. I used myself as an example but I'm just trying to get people on the left to stop dividing and tearing each other down and improve the political discourse around here. This site used to be my favorite place to read political opinions but sometime during the primary it all went to shit and hasn't recovered since.

 

[krazen]

This is true, but a poor black person is also incredibly more likely to have a negative and dangerous encounter with police than a wealthy black person (who is still more likely to face danger than a white person in most cases).

You would think so, but unfortunately its not the case as a black person most would consider towards the upper middle..not really. While poor neighborhoods are under police seige, we get to deal with cops thinking we stole our cars or are breaking into our own homes(and their resentment for our status for being comprable to them in class). Its comforting to think, however, if falsely arrested at least we can better navigate the court system since its fueled by cash, or worst case scenarios...our family has the resources to fight the good fight in case something else happens.

 

[KingK]

You would think so, but unfortunately its not the case as a black person most would consider towards the upper middle..not really. While poor neighborhoods are under police seige, we get to deal with cops thinking we stole our cars or are breaking into our own homes(and their resentment for our status for being comprable to them in class). Its comforting to think, however, if falsely arrested at least we can better navigate the court system since its fueled by cash, or worst case scenarios...our family has the resources to fight the good fight in case something else happens.

I mean, I entirely agree and I don't think this conflicts with my point at all. Everything you said in the rest of your post are perfect examples of the intersection of identity and class. Police will target all black people, but those living in poor neighborhoods have significantly less means of escape as their neighborhoods are under siege. And if something does happen, a wealthy black person has more options to fight the system with their wealth, even though the system is still fundamentally biased against them.

I'm not saying every issue is 50/50 class/identity, just than anyone who claims something is 100% this or that is very likely wrong.

 

[R0ckman]

Another roach pokes its head out of the infrastructure I see. Is anyone going to clean this ****ing place (US)? Its been filthy for a while.

Dont see how he is on a school board.

Actually, shouldn't this guy be retired? What the hell is going on, makes you think they stay in as long as possible to keep the corruption in its most efficient form.

 

[Raven117]

No.

Feel bad for minorities.

Feel bad for black people.

Feel bad for Michelle Obama, who's only guilty of giving a shit about this country while being a gorgeous, intelligent black woman married to the President.

Feel bad for black women in particular, who are assaulted by this specific form of racism every day.

I'm done with the "progressive" label. It doesn't actually mean anything.

Well stated.

 

[SyenceLabb]

People like this simply need to die out. Thankfully he looks very close to death. Fuck him.

 

[alex chilton]

I got the actual issue of Artvoice that this appeared in. The questions that were asked were
1. What would you most like to happen in 2017?
2. What would you like to see go away in 2017?

lol at the guy next to him answering paladino for q2.

 

[BstnRich]

I'd like you to return to the dirt you were before, and then I can piss on your grave.

Merry Christmas.

Let me know if you need help. There are going to be a lot of graves that needs watering once the majority of this adminsitration has returned to hell.

 

[Naked Snake]

When people complain about Political Correctness, this is what they want. This racist shit.

No it's not. I think political correctness has been taken way too and is a cause of many problems, but I absolutely abhor what this guy said (it boggles my mind how anyone can say that) and there isn't a racist bone in me.

Being anti-PC does not mean you're racist.

 

[Slayven]

No it's not. I think political correctness has been taken way too and is a cause of many problems, but I absolutely abhor what this guy said (it boggles my mind how anyone can say that) and there isn't a racist bone in me.

Being anti-PC does not mean you're racist.

When the GOP/Right say it, it is absolutely what it means.

 

[Admiral Woofington]

People like this simply need to die out. Thankfully he looks very close to death. Fuck him.

I used to think blatant hardcore racism was an old people thing and that eventually they'd die out and we'd be rid of them.

It'll never fucking die out. And that is a depressing thought. That people like these aren't just middle of nowhere hicks I never have to deal with in civilized areas. These are people reaching position of power being propelled by other fucking racist assholes who use good old Christian fucking values to hide that they want to fucking hang minorities and LGBT people because it makes them uncomfortable to look out the window and see someone different.

Fuck them all.

 

[Booya_base]

I love whoever said there is something Deeply, horribly wrong with him - that is an amazing put down there and obviously true in this case.

 

[VistraNorrez]

No it's not. I think political correctness has been taken way too and is a cause of many problems, but I absolutely abhor what this guy said (it boggles my mind how anyone can say that) and there isn't a racist bone in me.

Being anti-PC does not mean you're racist.

What is it you would like to say that you can't say?

 

[Future]

Obama has been scandal free and still is the target of extreme hateful views like this. Literally nothing anyone can do. The term haters gonna hate has never been more true.

Too bad America embraced the hate this election cycle, or probably more true, didn't give a shit enough to do anything about it. Willing to march and protest but not vote away hate

 

[Big Baybee]

I mean, re-read the post I quoted and what he was responding too? The guy he quoted said "I feel bad for progressives in America" (which includes some poor white Clinton voters like myself) and royalan replied saying "nope."

You should re-read his post.

What is it you would like to say that you can't say?

I'm curious as well.

 

[Sami+]

I used to think blatant hardcore racism was an old people thing and that eventually they'd die out and we'd be rid of them.

It'll never fucking die out. And that is a depressing thought. That people like these aren't just middle of nowhere hicks I never have to deal with in civilized areas. These are people reaching position of power being propelled by other fucking racist assholes who use good old Christian fucking values to hide that they want to fucking hang minorities and LGBT people because it makes them uncomfortable to look out the window and see someone different.

Fuck them all.

.

Fucking depressing.

 

[Naked Snake]

What is it you would like to say that you can't say?

I'm not sure what your question is. There isn't something that I can't say, or won't say, if I believe it's right.

I'm not afraid of the PC police. However I do not have the patience anymore to go into the kinds of debates that I spent a very long time on in the past and learned that vast majority of the time they go nowhere.

 

[KingK]

When the GOP/Right say it, it is absolutely what it means.

Yup. You can tell by how pissy and sensitive the right gets when you say even the most tame thing that they consider "offensive." It's extremely ironic. I'm a liberal in the heart of deep red Indiana, and I love prodding these fucks with that irony. Anytime I try to talk about politics, Black Lives Matter especially, conservatives get super offended and I just turn their whole anti-PC "everybody is so thin-skinned and easily offended these days" shtick against them. They have nothing to say in response other than mumbling under their breath, almost every time. Bonus points for pointing out they just voted for the most thin skinned, whiny, censorship happy candidate ever.

You should re-read his post.

Yeah, sorry. I edited my following post after rereading it because I did misinterpret the context the first time. I still think the point of the rest of post sands though.

 

[Future]

Yup. You can tell by how pissy and sensitive the right gets when you say even the most tame thing that they consider "offensive." It's extremely ironic. I'm a liberal in the heart of deep red Indiana, and I love prodding these fucks with that irony. Anytime I try to talk about politics, Black Lives Matter especially, conservatives get super offended and I just turn their whole anti-PC "everybody is so thin-skinned and easily offended these days" shtick against them. They have nothing to say in response other than mumbling under their breath, almost every time. Bonus points for pointing out they just voted for the most thin skinned, whiny, censorship happy candidate ever.

I'd actually respect the GOP if they weren't so sensitive themselves. People like this claim they like a non pc world where they can say hateful jokes with impunity, but then cry louder than anyone when they are the target of anything. Literally the behavior patterns of schoolyard bullys.

 

[Angelus Errare]

No.

Feel bad for minorities.

Feel bad for black people.

Feel bad for Michelle Obama, who's only guilty of giving a shit about this country while being a gorgeous, intelligent black woman married to the President.

Feel bad for black women in particular, who are assaulted by this specific form of racism every day.

I'm done with the "progressive" label. It doesn't actually mean anything.

.

 

[Enzom21]

I'm not sure what your question is. There isn't something that I can't say, or won't say, if I believe it's right.

I'm not afraid of the PC police. However I do not have the patience anymore to go into the kinds of debates that I spent a very long time on in the past and learned that vast majority of the time they go nowhere.

So then how have the "PC police" taken things too far? Aside from stifling racists and their jokes what are they doing?

 

[Shig]

No it's not. I think political correctness has been taken way too and is a cause of many problems, but I absolutely abhor what this guy said (it boggles my mind how anyone can say that) and there isn't a racist bone in me.

Being anti-PC does not mean you're racist.

When right-wingers complain about political correctness, it's almost without fail a dogwhistle for "I wish I could say and do indefensibly racist/sexist shit without consequence."

There's certainly an argument that some people are a bit too touchy and puritanical sometimes, but if you're gonna chalk it up to 'PC gone amok,' understand why people aren't going to assume the best of your intentions.

 

[IdreamofHIME]

Absolutely mentally disturbed.

 

[VistraNorrez]

I'm not sure what your question is. There isn't something that I can't say, or won't say, if I believe it's right.

I'm not afraid of the PC police. However I do not have the patience anymore to go into the kinds of debates that I spent a very long time on in the past and learned that vast majority of the time they go nowhere.

You said, political correctness is "taken way too [far] and is a cause of many problems". I was really asking for a personal example. Political Correctness is about the way people conduct themselves and how that has changed over the years, most directly dealing with forms of speech. Which has always existed, of course and is relative to any given culture.

So, if you feel PC has gone too far, what is it that you would like to say that you feel you cannot? It seems you feel comfortable saying anything you want. So maybe you have other examples of PC culture going too far.

 

[Naked Snake]

So then how have the "PC police" taken things too far? Aside from stifling racists and their jokes what are they doing?

Biggest issue for me is when it comes to criticizing the beliefs of the religion of Islam (see: Ben Affleck vs Sam Harris on Bill Maher as example).

PC police constantly accuse Sam Harris of being a bigot, when he is anything but. PC people conflate criticizing ideologies and beliefs with attacking people.

For what it's worth, I am an ex-Muslim, 38 years old all of which I lived in a Muslim society, my family is still Muslim and I live with them and love them, yet I think the religion itself is absolutely the main cause behind most of the violence and terrorism we currently see around the world.

If I said all Muslims are X or Y, then that would be racist. But saying the religion of Islam is rotten in its core has nothing to do with racism. This is where "liberals"/PC-people lose it.

 

[VistraNorrez]

Biggest issue for me is when it comes to criticizing the beliefs of the religion of Islam (see: Ben Affleck vs Sam Harris on Bill Maher).

PC police constantly accuse Sam Harris of being a bigot, when he is anything but. PC people conflate criticizing ideologies and beliefs with attacking people.

For what it's worth, I am an ex-Muslim, 38 years old all of which I lived in a Muslim society, my family is still Muslim family and I live with them and love them, yet I think the religion itself is absolutely the main cause behind most of the violence and terrorism we currently see around the world.

If I said all Muslims are X or Y, then that would be racist. But saying the religion of Islam is rotten in its core has nothing to do with racism. This is where "liberals"/PC-people lose it.

This is far better than western society has ever been. If you insulted a King he could have you killed. If you insulted someone in America 150 years ago, they might challenge you to a gun duel. 100 years ago If you were black and dared show perceived romantic interest in a person outside your race, you could be lynched. About 50 years ago if you cursed on stage you could be arrested. About 20 years ago people had no problem using "fag" as a casual insult. All those things were politically correct at the time.

By and large, if you express your opinion you are going to find someone who disagrees with it. In modern western culture you might get into a verbal argument about it. Sometimes it escalates to violence, but usually not. We've progressed to a much better society all things considered. So if this the PC culture you are ranting about, It's still vastly better than any other time.

 

[WiiredShawn]

This is far better than western society has ever been. If you insulted a King he could have you killed. If you insulted someone in America 150 years ago, they might challenge you to a gun duel. 100 years ago If you were black and dared show perceived romantic interest in a person outside your race, you could be lynched. About 50 years ago if you cursed on stage you could be arrested. About 20 years ago people had no problem using "fag" as a casual insult. All those things were politically correct at the time.

By and large, if you express your opinion you are going to find someone who disagrees with it. In modern western culture you might get into a verbal argument about it. Sometimes it escalates to violence, but usually not. We've progressed to a much better society all things considered. So if this the PC culture you are ranting about, It's still vastly better than any other time.

While you're right, I don't know if this point negates the above poster's point. People should be able to debate the merits of ideology without other people, however well intentioned, rushing in to accuse them of attacking a group of people. If a person, and especially a Muslim, wants to contend that aspects of Islam are promoting violence, and a young liberal comes swinging in with "you're being insensitive!", then that's a form of silencing. Obviously, it's eons ahead of being killed for your beliefs, but it's also not productive for social discourse.

The vitriol about "PC culture," especially from conservatives, is largely overblown and hypocritical, but there are pockets of liberals who, in their well-meaning effort to shield people from attacks, try to shut down reasonable, albeit uncomfortable conversation. Personally, I believe that no ideology is safe from criticism - including our own. But sometimes the line between discourse and disparaging seems thin, which is why people jump the gun. And one might argue, what's the real difference between a king who kills you and an audience that refuses to listen to you? In both cases, the conversation stops. So it's still a problem, if a lesser one.

On topic: Fuck this old guy. He wishes someone like Michelle Obama would give him the time of day.

 

[KAP151]

https://youtu.be/9QgQycqpnG0?t=20s

 

[Skyzard]

Holy shit he thinks he can spew that shit.

 

[Naked Snake]

While you're right, I don't know if this point negates the above poster's point. People should be able to debate the merits of ideology without other people, however well intentioned, rushing in to accuse them of attacking a group of people. If a person, and especially a Muslim, wants to contend that aspects of Islam are promoting violence, and a young liberal comes swinging in with "you're being insensitive!", then that's a form of silencing. Obviously, it's eons ahead of being killed for your beliefs, but it's also not productive for social discourse.

The vitriol about "PC culture," especially from conservatives, is largely overblown and hypocritical, but there are pockets of liberals who, in their well-meaning effort to shield people from attacks, try to shut down reasonable, albeit uncomfortable conversation. Personally, I believe that no ideology is safe from criticism - including our own. But sometimes the line between discourse and disparaging seems thin, which is why people jump the gun. And one might argue, what's the real difference between a king who kills you and an audience that refuses to listen to you? In both cases, the conversation stops. So it's still a problem, if a lesser one.

On topic: Fuck this old guy. He wishes someone like Michelle Obama would give him the time of day.

Thank you.

 

[Nemesis121]

Next 4 years going to be hard for a person of color like myself....

 

[Knuckle Sandwich]

It's absolutely sickening how Michelle Obama has been attacked on such a personal and ugly, racist way. Off the top of my head I can recall so many people calling her ugly, a man, ape, gorilla, planting watermelons in the white house garden and on and on and on. And these people do it out in the open. Not even ashamed to be racist pieces of shit.

Of course Hillary got hers in the 90's but that was political. Laura Bush skated by except for the Family Guy bit about her running over a guy. This racist shit has been a constant since the '08 primaries. She is a great woman, a great role model and no doubt one of the GOAT First Ladies.

 

[ahoyhoy]

^This. I'm a Korean-American living in fortunately a liberally progressive city of Baltimore, Maryland in the U.S. and I am just terrified what's going to happen to the U.S. during Trump's term as President. I thought things were worse under George W. Bush but now it's going to be a whole lot worse under Trump.

I'm glad however that the recently sworn in Baltimore City Council (sworn in on December 8, 2016) adopted this resolution through an unanimous vote on the very same day that they got sworn in, it shows the City Council has the backbone to stand up against Trump:https://baltimore.legistar.com/View.ashx?M=F&ID=4837582&GUID=2D1DBAA2-F0FB-4FBC-B0EF-AB414C41BD32

Baltimore is really fortunate that the Republican governor of Maryland is pretty anti Trump. Without that they might lose Federal AND State funding.

Gotta give props to this resolution though. Don't take any of his shit.

 

[wonderful103]

Biggest issue for me is when it comes to criticizing the beliefs of the religion of Islam (see: Ben Affleck vs Sam Harris on Bill Maher as example).

PC police constantly accuse Sam Harris of being a bigot, when he is anything but. PC people conflate criticizing ideologies and beliefs with attacking people.

For what it's worth, I am an ex-Muslim, 38 years old all of which I lived in a Muslim society, my family is still Muslim and I live with them and love them, yet I think the religion itself is absolutely the main cause behind most of the violence and terrorism we currently see around the world.

If I said all Muslims are X or Y, then that would be racist. But saying the religion of Islam is rotten in its core has nothing to do with racism. This is where "liberals"/PC-people lose it.

The same is true of Christianity, to those that interpret portions of the religion literally.
Most Muslims choose to do what most modern Christians do - leave out the bad shit and focus on the parts about peace, love, yadda yadda.

 

[shadow_shogun]

Holy shit he thinks he can spew that shit.

He knows he can spew this shit and that no harsh repercussions will follow. His president elect is fine with this.

 

[MrToughPants]

Should be classified as a hate crime, the first amendment is archaic.

 

[KSweeley]

Baltimore is really fortunate that the Republican governor of Maryland is pretty anti Trump. Without that they might lose Federal AND State funding.

Gotta give props to this resolution though. Don't take any of his shit.

I'm actually very happy that the Maryland governor is one of the more sensible Republicans in office who is willing to work across the aisle with the Democrat-dominated General Assembly and is willing to compromise.

I'm wondering why other state Republican governors can't take the lead that Maryland's Governor created when he actually recognized that gerrymandering is a problem and he wants redistricting to be given to a independent, nonpartisan commission: http://governor.maryland.gov/redistricting-reform/

Announcing the Maryland Redistricting Reform Commission

We have some of the most gerrymandered districts in the country – this is not a distinction of which we should be proud.

Gerrymandering is a form of political gamesmanship that stifles real political debate and deprives citizens of meaningful choices. Fair and competitive elections – and having checks and balances – make for a more vibrant and responsive citizen republic.

To advance this discussion, I have executed an executive order that creates a bipartisan commission to examine Maryland’s redistricting process with the goal of fully reforming this process and giving this authority to an independent, nonpartisan commission.

 

[Boney]

I can't believe people are supporting this black nationalist bs in this thread.

 

[Dominican Power]

NY is underrated when it comes to virulent racists. Trump is the fucking president and he's from Queens, NY.

 

[collige]

I'm actually very happy that the Maryland governor is one of the more sensible Republicans in office who is willing to work across the aisle with the Democrat-dominated General Assembly and is willing to compromise.

I'm wondering why other state Republican governors can't take the lead that Maryland's Governor created when he actually recognized that gerrymandering is a problem and he wants redistricting to be given to a independent, nonpartisan commission: http://governor.maryland.gov/redistricting-reform/

Well, that's because Maryland is gerrymandered in favor of the Democrats.

 

[Valhelm]

Holy shit he thinks he can spew that shit.

Trump's election makes them think it's okay

 

[hateradio]

Male?

Zimbabwe?


fml

 

[The Lamp]

It's things like this that further dehumanize hardcore Trump supporters in my mind. If you support this rhetoric and respect these people Trump surrounds himself with, you are hardly in the same species as I, and don't expect me to ever respect you.