Trump "overhauls campaign team," adds two new campaign managers

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But this will leave a certain group of people that will not except a more moderate GOP and all of this solidifies their existence. Question is just how big this group really is and what they're going to do.

Clearly not big enough to combat Trump's populism.

The GOP is split right now, and will likely remain so even after Trump loses.

The way to fix the GOP is to attract more liberal moderates by relaxing hardline social policy choices but maintaining a more conservative fiscal policy. You rebuild the party around moderates and bill yourself as a truly "conservative" party that isn't the "pie-in-the-sky" Democrats but isn't like the fear-mongering hate groups of the Trump-era radicals.

Sure, it would be better to elect true-liberals to government, but if the GOP pushes to the left it means, at the very least, any good social policies put in place will stick between regime changes.
 
Seriously, what is he going to do? Add another nickname to Hillary? Complain about Benghazi and emails? Say she founded ISIS? Routinely suggest she is a rape enabler? Talk about how she sleeps? Has to go to the bathroom? Should be in prison?

How much further right can you pivot? Just flat out calling her a bitch?

" PROOF : KILLARY IS A REPTILLIAN" (pay attention to her eyes in this clip)

"Hillary spotted wearing Monicas dress"

" Traitor Hillary "ISIS is not going to be an easy fight" Does she hate AMERICA"

"BREAKING" Bald eagle served at $$$hillarys Wall Street fat cat banquet"

"Why is Hillary " All our children deserve a better,stronger America" calling Melania a WEAK mother"

"RACIST Hillary eating CRACKERS in front of the BLACKS, acting like she owns the place"

" Muslim & Christian sex scandal ! Why is Michelle Obama and Chelsea Clinton still keeping their affair secret ??? AMERICA HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW !"

Nothing is off the table now. Nothing.
 
Oh, how magical.

I said he had no bottom in another thread. I'm looking forward to see how far "no bottom" actually gets in the next three months.

Come on, Trumpy. Shock me.
 
The problem is, he is having a hugely negative effect on the country right now. We keep hearing stories about what effect this is having on children in schools - and this is going to make it worse. It was amusing at the start but now it's just toxic and damaging.
 
I don't like this.

Trump moving out further to the right and to extremes just makes it easier for the rest of the GOP to disavow him and distance themselves.

Rather would've seen Trump go down together with the established party elements. Trump will be seen as a historically bad candidate and campaign in the future, so the further someone gets away from him now, the better. Moves like this will make it easier for the GOP to do just that, they'll be able to bounce back quicker.
Depends what you mean by the GOP exactly. If you mean the politicians, the people like Reince Priebus, Paul Ryan, and Mitch McConnell, then yeah, they all definitely realize that and that things need to change if they actually want a Republican to have a shot at the Presidency. But then again, they realized the same thing in 2012 after Romney lost, and they put out the postmortem on that but yet we got Trump.

Which leads into how if you don't mean the establishment GOP, but the GOP that actually seems the matter for these things, the actual base of the GOP (that is, the people that actually vote for them, especially in presidential primaries), that's a completely different story. These people want someone like Trump as President. And on top of that, Trump's already been sewing the seeds that if he loses, it's not only the fault of Hillary Clinton and the media, but also on establishment politician figures like Priebus, Ryan, and McConnell for not doing enough to back him and essentially stabbing him in the back in that sense, and they've been very receptive to that message. If Trump doubles down on that kind of messaging, which is what this suggests, that will only become more true and if Trump loses they'll be convinced those people had a part in it and thus won't exactly be looking to flock back to them in four years.

Of course, four years is a lifetime in politics and a lot can change between now and then. But if Trump continues to pander to the extreme fringes and focus on the message that the system is rigged and the only solution is an outsider figure such as himself, and by all indications the idea that the only way Hillary can win is if the system is somehow rigged does seem to be resonating in the GOP, then I don't see how that voting base will decide to flock back to a traditional, establishment political figure in 2020, but we'll see.

But yeah, that aside I do agree that this isn't exactly something I like even if it does help Trump to continue to sink because of the reasoning that Maledict laid out here:
The problem is, he is having a hugely negative effect on the country right now. We keep hearing stories about what effect this is having on children in schools - and this is going to make it worse. It was amusing at the start but now it's just toxic and damaging.
 
" PROOF : KILLARY IS A REPTILLIAN" (pay attention to her eyes in this clip)

"Hillary spotted wearing Monicas dress"

" Traitor Hillary "ISIS is not going to be an easy fight" Does she hate AMERICA"

"BREAKING" Bald eagle served at $$$hillarys Wall Street fat cat banquet"

"Why is Hillary " All our children deserve a better,stronger America" calling Melania a WEAK mother"

"RACIST Hillary eating CRACKERS in front of the BLACKS, acting like she owns the place"

" Muslim & Christian sex scandal ! Why is Michelle Obama and Chelsea Clinton still keeping their affair secret ??? AMERICA HAS A RIGHT TO KNOW !"

Nothing is off the table now. Nothing.

They've been hitting her with shit like this for YEARS. It doesn't work.

I can't wait to see what happens in a month when the he numbers haven't changed.
 
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I didn't realize the gloves were still on.
i uh what.... oh boy
 
Clearly not big enough to combat Trump's populism.

The GOP is split right now, and will likely remain so even after Trump loses.

The way to fix the GOP is to attract more liberal moderates by relaxing hardline social policy choices but maintaining a more conservative fiscal policy. You rebuild the party around moderates and bill yourself as a truly "conservative" party that isn't the "pie-in-the-sky" Democrats but isn't like the fear-mongering hate groups of the Trump-era radicals.

Sure, it would be better to elect true-liberals to government, but if the GOP pushes to the left it means, at the very least, any good social policies put in place will stick between regime changes.
But if you look at conservative media, there's not much "moderate" left. And it looks like Trump might build his own outlet after the election. That's not how you make a shift like that, it can't just come from the top of the party.

At this point he might as well hire Ann Coulter and Milo.
Well, he hired Milos boss. Ask yourself if that's better.
 
Seriously, what is he going to do? Add another nickname to Hillary? Complain about Benghazi and emails? Say she founded ISIS? Routinely suggest she is a rape enabler? Talk about how she sleeps? Has to go to the bathroom? Should be in prison?

How much further right can you pivot? Just flat out calling her a bitch?

I think it's a mortal lock he calls her a cunt during the debates and calls Latinos in the south wetbacks now
 
Nationalism and populism? After ceding the military affairs support to the Dems at the convention? This sounds like a disaster ready to happen
 
Trump is done and he knows it. He wants to go down doing what he does best: making our country worse. He's doubling down on crazy and hateful.
 
The Trump campaign is in a very bad place if it's overhauling campaign managers and strategy (again) this close to the election. They're still flailing and I'm sure this so-called "bare-knuckles brawl" style will mean plenty of new unforced errors in the near future.
 
This seems like a move to distance themselves from Manafort. There's probably more to that story about money from Ukraine or whatever it was.
 
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I didn't realize the gloves were still on.

You have to be fucking kidding me. Election Day cannot come soon enough so this fucker can get wiped out.

My guess is that he will go to the 1st debate, act like a child while Hillary destroys him ( wouldn't surprise me if he drops some highly inappropriate name calling in there) and then refuses and does not show for the remaining debates.
 
What an embarrassment. Breitbart News literally makes up news and facts so they can report garbage to idiots who are too stupid to know any better. And now one of their top people is running the Trump campaign. That actually makes a lot of sense. Birds of a feather....
 
I'm starting to believe the TNN angle, to be honest. I don't think it was his master plan from the outset, but I do think it's become his exit strategy.

Mostly because Trump is dumb enough to jump into the arch-political news business immediately after a presidential election, leaving him plenty of time to go bankrupt before the next one comes around to turn a profit on.
 
I'm still laughing that he asked African-Americans to vote for him yesterday and there was absolutely no sincerity in his speech. Just reading whatever his campaign wrote for him.
 
I'm still laughing that he asked African-Americans to vote for him yesterday and there was absolutely no sincerity in his speech. Just reading whatever his campaign wrote for him.

I think it gave a lot of laughs to the black community as well.

I know I lol'ed
 
The problem is, he is having a hugely negative effect on the country right now. We keep hearing stories about what effect this is having on children in schools - and this is going to make it worse. It was amusing at the start but now it's just toxic and damaging.

Trump is an awful person, but the hateful and toxic system he is using has been decades in making. Instead of trying to fix peoples ignorance, politicians have been using it, fanning it in the direction that fits their purpose. These people and organisations are not there to help people, they want to use them.

Problems won't end with Trump, because the problems are deeply rooted on society. And we need to recognise that before we can start fixing the real issues. The real problem is the idea that personal profit trumps everything else, even common good. As long as it's acceptable to hurt others for your own profit, people like Trump keep appearing.
 
Time for the pivot.


A pivot straight to hell.

The problem is, he is having a hugely negative effect on the country right now. We keep hearing stories about what effect this is having on children in schools - and this is going to make it worse. It was amusing at the start but now it's just toxic and damaging.

The toxicity has been in place since Nixon initiated the southern strategy. All of this filth and bile was simply bubbling beneath the surface, mainly on talk radio and other places. Sarah Palin brought it into mainstream politics, GOP dog whistles, and the tea party crystalized it. Trump is simply riding the shit wave to its inevitable conclusion.
 
This is amazing. We're at Wednesday and Trump hasn't really had a big incident this week of his own making. His speech last night was his first rally teleprompter speech (I think?) and while it was disgusting it was missing all the things that make Trump rallies the extremely watchable train wrecks I've come to expect. We haven't had a Trumpian tweet since the 14th.

So I was starting to wonder if, defeated, he was finally going to let other people tell him what to do and pivot him to a more subdued, marketable form of Trump. It was worrying me a little.

So this is just about the best news ever; letting Trump be Trump should help the poll numbers crash further.
 
How much more bare-knuckles, full-bore populist/nationalist can he get? Where do you move to go even further along that axis?
 
Maybe I am just being paranoid but I can't help but feel something really sinister is going to go down here.

Your instinct is not incorrect. Trump from the start has been a singularity pulling in every bad thing about America from the last two generations.

Putting this many outright evil people in the same room may not always be a winning strategy, but when they get together they often start some awful shit that really does hurt people for years own the line.
 
But if you look at conservative media, there's not much "moderate" left. And it looks like Trump might build his own outlet after the election. That's not how you make a shift like that, it can't just come from the top of the party.

In my heart of hearts I would hope that the majority of conservative-leaning Americans do not get their news exclusively from Fox News and it's ilk, but who knows considering the liberal-bias of reality...
 
If we thought Fox News was bad... The idea of a TNN with Trump, Bannon and Aisle at the helm is fucking terrifying for the country tbh.
 
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