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Trump plans to focus on infrastructure, starting with privatizing air traffic control
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Nerdkiller
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It's what the UK did with the Royal Mail, right?
FrankCanada97
Roughly the size of a baaaaaarge
Selling roads, just ask Ontarians how well that went when the PCs sold off the 407.
I saw a Skyguide mention in here. In 2002, that company, due to mismanagement, had only two controllers working at an air traffic control center (one of whom decided to take a break against policy), forcing the other to work at two workstations at the same time while maintenance work was being done on the radar image processing system. This contributed to the mid-air collision of two jetliners over Germany.
I saw a Skyguide mention in here. In 2002, that company, due to mismanagement, had only two controllers working at an air traffic control center (one of whom decided to take a break against policy), forcing the other to work at two workstations at the same time while maintenance work was being done on the radar image processing system. This contributed to the mid-air collision of two jetliners over Germany.
jokingbird
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While public transportation is important, this move will most likely enforce class-ism to separate roads off and blocking access to parts of the country unless you are approved by a corporation to be there.
I have felt like a lot of hospitals fall under this. They operate as a non-profit, but all that means is that there investments are kept under a separate branch.
DFS, the "Deutsche Flugsicherung" is our "private" nonprofit air traffic control company here in Germany.
It's is 100% owned by the government. Always kinda wondered about that. I mean, what's the point to make it a private company and then completely lock it down under the control of the government. Choose one or the other, dammit. Probably something about liability and all that jazz.
They occasionally threaten to go on, and rarely actually go on strike due to their wages or working conditions... which is always a wonderful experience for everyone involved. Otherwise, no complaints. They do their job.
So yeah. It can work. Most of the time.
Provided you have the correct powerful watchdogs breathing down their necks and enough laws and regulations to keep them at a short leash so that they don't skimp on security, features and whatnot. Fat government style.
So basically, it's nigh impossible for the US with their approach to laws and regulations. You guys just don't roll that way.
And that's long before even considering Trump and GOP.
But that's just this here little pessimist navel gazing. One thing's for sure though, I'm not volunteering to test the long term reliability and viability of this. Far from it.
It's is 100% owned by the government. Always kinda wondered about that. I mean, what's the point to make it a private company and then completely lock it down under the control of the government. Choose one or the other, dammit. Probably something about liability and all that jazz.
They occasionally threaten to go on, and rarely actually go on strike due to their wages or working conditions... which is always a wonderful experience for everyone involved. Otherwise, no complaints. They do their job.
So yeah. It can work. Most of the time.
Provided you have the correct powerful watchdogs breathing down their necks and enough laws and regulations to keep them at a short leash so that they don't skimp on security, features and whatnot. Fat government style.
So basically, it's nigh impossible for the US with their approach to laws and regulations. You guys just don't roll that way.
And that's long before even considering Trump and GOP.
But that's just this here little pessimist navel gazing. One thing's for sure though, I'm not volunteering to test the long term reliability and viability of this. Far from it.
Host Samurai
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"Non profit" doesn't actually mean non profit.
All the profit still goes to the owners and investors.
Silent Chief
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A troll under every bridge waiting to collect his toll. Sounds like the middle ages, honestly.
RPGCrazied
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wrong thread
Host Samurai
Member
The GOP's hard on to privatize everything is so ridiculous. Just prevents people from getting government jobs. So essentially they want to leave everyone who has a government job, jobless, as they believe that a private business will pay more and hire more people with more benefits.....lmfao. Utterly insane.
ErnieMcCracken
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Every road named after MLK will be renamed after Trump (as toll roads with orange barrels) and there will be a ban on naming ANYTHING after Obama.
Wolf Dawgz
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I could see roads maybe, but air traffic control and airports? Wouldn't that almost essentially set up a monopoly? It's not like you can just build a bunch of airports next to each other, and see which ones offer the best price.
Mysterious
Banned
Wait, Canadian Air Traffic Control is privatized?
Angelus Errare
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Oh god privatized roads, highways, freeways. The worst idea fucking ever.
Can't wait to $5 to merge from Facebook east onto Pizzahut 277 west, but the road is still shit. Too bad the roads are owned by corporations so we can't actually vote any of them out or do anything really lol.
If this comes to pass, we might as well let companies buy out neighborhoods and go full remedial with the dystopia future novel cliche setting.
Can't wait to $5 to merge from Facebook east onto Pizzahut 277 west, but the road is still shit. Too bad the roads are owned by corporations so we can't actually vote any of them out or do anything really lol.
If this comes to pass, we might as well let companies buy out neighborhoods and go full remedial with the dystopia future novel cliche setting.
FrankCanada97
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Jest Chillin
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Tolls are not bad but there would need to be contractual protections to prevent Price Gouging and total lack of public access. Because otherwise you're creating an environment ripe for Classism. As pricing too high and blocking access to the most direct routes inherently affects those that make the least amount of money. They would be forced to pay a higher percentage of their income for access or have to travel longer distances. This could also increase street traffic in major metropolitan areas (if highways/freeways are privatized) and would discourage those who make less from commuting for better opportunities. Moving is already out of reach for many due to inflating housing costs.
The question is, do you believe that a Republican led Gov't would institute regulations to protect Lower and Middle class citizens? I'm not confident they would as they tend to side with Corporate Profits over Citizens everywhere they can as is. I.E. Internet Neutrality and the absolute refusal to classify Internet access as a Utility.
Non-profits still need revenue.
ProfessorLobo
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You're always going to have a tough time on neogaf with objectivity in a Trump thread.
KernelPanic
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Canada's airports are government owned but management is leased out to non profit corporations and they pay rent to the Feds. Mulroney wanted to privatize them as well as I recall but they did this hybrid approach.
I fly out of the US every time as the fees are ridiculous. The only time I fly out of a Canadian airport is if work is paying for it.
And yeah the 407 is ridiculous. Might as well require a credit check before you get on it.
I fly out of the US every time as the fees are ridiculous. The only time I fly out of a Canadian airport is if work is paying for it.
And yeah the 407 is ridiculous. Might as well require a credit check before you get on it.
Zaraki_Kenpachi
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So it will be used for money laundering or an ATM for rich people? Why is that a good thing to you?
Marion Cobretti
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This.
Everyone start saving up there money to leave the country or at least learn to speak Chinese.
The article said "non-profit corporation", whatever the fuck that entails.
Why would such an entity modernise/invest in anything if they don't have a profit incentive?
So dumb
Dice//
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I giggled. x)
Bam Bam Baklava
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Is it common to do this when you're still trying to get taxes and healthcare through?
Throwing shit to walls and hoping something sticks.
Just wait until Pornhub South.
and if several other attempts are any indication, the roads will be in worse shape since the companies don't have to answer to anyone. Until that brief moment where we get competing interstates, until the point where they work together to price fix their rates to sustain them both and then let the road quality deteriorate again.
airmangataosenai
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I personally am excited about Snowcrash finally becoming a reality.
Unknown One
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The plan is very Republican. Fuck the GOP.
Sectorseven
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Here in Colorado, the Dept of Transportation is severely underfunded, so in recent years they've experimented with using private companies to fund expansion projects (adding toll lanes on US 36 between Denver/Boulder for example). The state gave the company ownership for 50 years and guarantees a certain minimum revenue per year which means the company that owns the toll lanes has no incentive to keep rates reasonable, since they get paid whether or not people are using the lanes.
Unsurprisingly, adding the toll lanes hasn't helped ease congestion at all since they're too expensive for people to use. To make things shittier, CDOT was pressured into increasing the minimum number of people required to use HOV lanes for free, in an attempt to get people to use toll lanes.
Can't wait to have every highway like this, whee
With a 99 year lease and a non-compete clause (we can't build any highways that may draw traffic away from it) at that.
diablos991
Can’t stump the diablos
It's one way to save money.
So long as the safety standards are met, we could save some money here.
So long as the safety standards are met, we could save some money here.
KernelPanic
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AnotherDayAnotherDollar
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As someone else pointed out, NFL is also not for profit.
I wonder if such a move would allow these private companies to skirt their employees medical coverage. I used to do transcribing for a psychopathologist who's main clientele were air traffic controllers. The rate new ones show up with the same symptoms after just one thing goes wrong on the job was really high.
theepicoftyler
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Take a drive around the Chicagoland to see why pay to drive roads sucks. I pay for the privilege to sit in bumper to bumper traffic everyday.
I never said it was? Hence "Probably still shit?"
Which they will apparently obtain from the airlines? IDK.
Jest Chillin
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Airlines would pay fees and either pass that cost down to the consumers via higher prices or cut their costs in other ways (less staff, lower production costs by dropping quality as much as legally allowed, etc..).
The only boon is Gov't gets to claim "less taxes!" to fool some people into thinking they will save money.
Freeza Under The Shower
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ah yeah, the incompetent businessman suggesting you turn the airways into incompetent business too! And those roads you drive on too!
oh, the magic of massive accidents in the making. Too bad it will force companies to move up the time scale on self-driving trucks to avoid that and save time on toll transactions. I wonder who that would affect the most?
Trump sure seems to love fucking over the people who voted for him. Maybe you should take that as a sign that 'your man' is really not yours at all.
oh, the magic of massive accidents in the making. Too bad it will force companies to move up the time scale on self-driving trucks to avoid that and save time on toll transactions. I wonder who that would affect the most?
Trump sure seems to love fucking over the people who voted for him. Maybe you should take that as a sign that 'your man' is really not yours at all.
In its basic terms it means the organization has no shareholders to pay or stock to sell. All profit goes back into the organization.
Or the administrators! Like with most "non-profits."
Common Sense Revolution
Stop The Gravy Train
Respect For Taxpayers
Make America Great Again
All the same shit.
Mohonky
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Because you can make more money on it while decreasing government spending.....usually at the cost of service.
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