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Trust in games journalism, compromised by corporates and activists? (DA Veilguard)
Loomy
Banned
This is something that someone at Bioware or EA has to bring up in their post mortem about this project. There was no reason to not market this game as an epic fantasy. That's what it is and that is what Bioware has been good at historically.
No matter how this game turns out - good or bad - there's no excuse for that original trailer. Setting themselves up to be dunked on for no reason.
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Topher
Identifies as young
Perhaps, but that is really beside the point. This video wasn't critical of the game.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
IGN reviewer:
8:33
as a non-binary person myself Veil guard
includes some of the most authentic
representation of coming to terms with
General gender stuff and having to
navigate your family's reaction to it I
have yet to see in a game it doesn't
feel like an after-school special or
like I'm being pandered to it's quite
well handled and finding out that the
writer for this character is non-binary
themselves...
MrMatty:
25:36
The problem with Taash is not really to me the character of which BioWare is
conceived but how they are handled. Taash is written like ideas Spawn from social
media discourse as she barges into every conversation in quite possibly the most unlikable manner worse yet it exposes
problems with the game horribly like not being able to be mean to Taash, not being able to talk down to her for the way she
behaves.
MrMatty Transphobe confirmed. If this youtuber wasn't banned from resetera...no he has become Lord Voldemort himself.
8:33
as a non-binary person myself Veil guard
includes some of the most authentic
representation of coming to terms with
General gender stuff and having to
navigate your family's reaction to it I
have yet to see in a game it doesn't
feel like an after-school special or
like I'm being pandered to it's quite
well handled and finding out that the
writer for this character is non-binary
themselves...
MrMatty:
25:36
The problem with Taash is not really to me the character of which BioWare is
conceived but how they are handled. Taash is written like ideas Spawn from social
media discourse as she barges into every conversation in quite possibly the most unlikable manner worse yet it exposes
problems with the game horribly like not being able to be mean to Taash, not being able to talk down to her for the way she
behaves.
MrMatty Transphobe confirmed. If this youtuber wasn't banned from resetera...no he has become Lord Voldemort himself.
AmuroChan
Member
He's already banned since he's part of the LSM crew.
Raven117
Member
Look, this series has been dead for 10 years. For its sales to go gangbusters, it had to appeal to the older gamers who played Origins, II, and Inquisition. They didn't do that, therefore, the market will have to be a younger crowd.
So, I suppose its up to younger folks whether they want to buy this style of game or not. The older RPG enthusiast don't seem to be biting on this for now. And especially after we were all treated to Baldur's Gate 3.
So, I suppose its up to younger folks whether they want to buy this style of game or not. The older RPG enthusiast don't seem to be biting on this for now. And especially after we were all treated to Baldur's Gate 3.
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Kings Field
Member
Skillup and ACG are the only reviewers I trust.
DanielG165
Member
Lmao I haven’t trusted game journalism in 12 years.
FunkMiller
Member
Look, this could turn out to be a genuinely trash game, but some of you are really showing your asses in this thread.
None of you have played it.
You can’t object to the rampant stupidity and knee jerk reactions over at ResetEra, and then engage in exactly the same behaviour here!
I’ll be right alongside you slagging this game off, and games journalism as well, if it actually turns out to be garbage - but right now, I’ll wait to see what the reaction is when it’s actually released, and give it a go myself maybe, if the consensus is positive.
None of you have played it.
You can’t object to the rampant stupidity and knee jerk reactions over at ResetEra, and then engage in exactly the same behaviour here!
I’ll be right alongside you slagging this game off, and games journalism as well, if it actually turns out to be garbage - but right now, I’ll wait to see what the reaction is when it’s actually released, and give it a go myself maybe, if the consensus is positive.
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simpatico
Member
Best part of the IGN review:
They must have preorder data showing the coming bomba. Which means all the devs and ""journalists"" in the same Discord are all commiserating about it and the journos just decided to give them some going away flowers. Rather than, you know, informing the reader about a product for sale. But we're far beyond any of the big outlets having any semblance of financial independence.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
I can't believe there are STILL people who defend modern reviews! You'd almost have to be involved with them personally--ie friends or family who's a reviewer, or one yourself. There's just no legit defense for them these days... and to clarify I mean the ones who use the meta scale.
ShadyAcshuns
Member
Several issues with your post: a) we're supposed to all go out and spend day one money just to discuss the game? Naw, hell naw, and b) big difference between this community and that one: freedom of opinions and no pressure to parrot an agenda.
delfrickintree
Banned
The point of the thread: about not trusting the scores from gaming sites when they suspiciously parrot the same overly positive phrasing. Not about the game itself
samoilaaa
Member
and you need to jerk us all off
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analog_future
Resident Crybaby
Whatever helps
Bumblebeetuna
Member
people are using a very common phrase that applies very much here, oh no!
Barakov
Member
Dr.Morris79
Member
It's all too much
The lady on the right with the fake frowny face gets me every time.
MayauMiao
Member
Yeah but the way he was telling his viewers that his review is only his opinion comes off really strange, like he didn't want to hurt the feelings of EA & Bioware.
lifa-cobex
Member
Why choose the words "Return to form"?
The combat appears to be absolutely nothing like the OG game.
I highly doubt the story is anything in the same regards either.
At least try and spin it.
"Bold and new"
"Adventures and fresh"
Try to sell it without pissing on me and saying it's rain.
The combat appears to be absolutely nothing like the OG game.
I highly doubt the story is anything in the same regards either.
At least try and spin it.
"Bold and new"
"Adventures and fresh"
Try to sell it without pissing on me and saying it's rain.
CoreyFlawless
Member
They are not really gamers anymore anyways
Radical_3d
Member
Games journalism has never been reliable. Never. Let’s not pretend this is news now.
Edgelord79
Gold Member
Glad for those into this. Not for me. BioWare murdered Dragon Age long ago in my eyes.
cormack12
Gold Member
It's even got specific enhancements for the Pro. This game is gonna see Haf eat for months.
POKEYCLYDE
Member
Yikes 
Crystal Winters
Member
Were these reviews all written by AI? They all sound the same. Confused about that one 70 that was praising the game, but still only gave it a 70. Oh well.
yet_another_alt
Member
If you received the game for free from the publisher or dev, your review ain't trustworthy. It's that simple.
N30RYU
Member
Nah... I don't give a fuck about any review at all... and I don't need to play a game to know if I would play it or not at launch or even full discounted
EverydayBeast
ChatGPT 0.1
Veilguard has improvements and honors past games (Inquisition) plus introduces new audiences, this is a Christmas present for sure.
The_Observer
Member
What a surprise, the cultists following the cultmasters’ command. Woke trash.
Bumblebeetuna
Member
They’re talking about the studio, not the franchise.
demigod
Member
dottme
Member
No Xbox review? Weird.
StereoVsn
Gold Member
Peroroncino
Member
"games journalism"
TrebleShot
Member
Mmmm it's almost as if , if this failed the studio would be in big trouble and EA would get be asked some major questions
Trippy
Member
It’s 17 years or so since Jeff Gerstmann got fired from GameSpot for his scathing review of Kane and Lynch, after pressure from the publisher who had bought advert placements on the GameSpot website.
That shook the industry to its core, and really revealed a corruption among the mainstream outlets with regards to publisher influence on editorial practices. Nowadays, people are just desensitised to it, or just don’t care.
That shook the industry to its core, and really revealed a corruption among the mainstream outlets with regards to publisher influence on editorial practices. Nowadays, people are just desensitised to it, or just don’t care.
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ChorizoPicozo
Member
laynelane
Member
I'm the type of person who makes an effort to use words correctly. I haven't been able to, in good conscience, call the people writing for these sites "journalists" for a long time. They're bloggers and sometimes activists too, nothing more. As well, in some cases, they're simply being paid to parrot opinions that are "correct" or those that will ensure their site doesn't get blacklisted by publishers. For these reasons, I have no interest in giving weight to any of these so-called reviews.
On another note, I really do miss the days when reviews were good sources of information. I found some of my favourite titles that way, but that was years and years ago.
On another note, I really do miss the days when reviews were good sources of information. I found some of my favourite titles that way, but that was years and years ago.
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Topher
Identifies as young
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Its a shady industry. Making it more interesting is how direct or indirect game companies and reviewers are. Is it advertising? Is it a pay out? Is it early copies and access? Is it free stuff?
My buddy ran a game site way back and he got a box full of GTA4 swag from Rockstar. Free game and collectible knick knacks. But that was the end of it. There was no NDA or contract or anything. All he did was email them if they got any promotional stuff and he was surprised when he got a free game out of it.
Did that sway his review? I dont know. I didn't keep up with his site. But his perk was as low level as you can get. He didnt get money or early beta copies or whatever.
My buddy ran a game site way back and he got a box full of GTA4 swag from Rockstar. Free game and collectible knick knacks. But that was the end of it. There was no NDA or contract or anything. All he did was email them if they got any promotional stuff and he was surprised when he got a free game out of it.
Did that sway his review? I dont know. I didn't keep up with his site. But his perk was as low level as you can get. He didnt get money or early beta copies or whatever.
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