01011001
Banned
the os will most likely be around 80 to 100 GB, then the system needs space for system updates, if it didn't have that you would need to uninstall games in order to update your system should the space be used.
it also need a buffer so that the OS can get new features in the future should Sony want to implement them.
they might also have space for a system fallback should an OS install fail in a weird way, so that your system isn't soft-bricked easily. hard to say what exactly takes up all the space or for what
it is reserved for
this is nothing new, current gen OS's also take up similar amounts of space on the HDD
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BlackM1st
Banned
So... 200 is ok then? Lol wtf am I reading.
Maybe It's Medicine?
Member
I mean eh. It's not that big of a deal.
On another note: The same people who justify playing on console for the simplicity of the experience are now suddenly okay with jumping through hoops. Gee I wonder why.
Imagine getting so defensive over upgradeable storage space that you have to act like having twenty games installed on your video game console is absurd. Maybe Netflix should transition to the one show a day model, afterall who needs to watch all them shows at once.
On another note: The same people who justify playing on console for the simplicity of the experience are now suddenly okay with jumping through hoops. Gee I wonder why.
bitbydeath
Member
The leak skips the start screen shown in the official video which was both displayed back in June and in the recent UI video.
Which means the footage (if real) pre-dates til at the very least May and therefore isn't indicative of the final result.
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RoadHazard
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DaleinCalgary
Member
People,
All consoles and PC's are stuck for now with expensive SSD's, but we have evolved to the point where we need them. There is no use complaining over which is more ridiculous of the S having less than 400GB, or the PS5 having 660gb or the X having 800GB...they are all way too small. And the PC people here are in the same boat so most likely just laughing to themselves.
Prices will come down but not as fast as you might think, learn some patience and get a HDD external drive and use it. 5 mins to transfer a game won't kill you.
All consoles and PC's are stuck for now with expensive SSD's, but we have evolved to the point where we need them. There is no use complaining over which is more ridiculous of the S having less than 400GB, or the PS5 having 660gb or the X having 800GB...they are all way too small. And the PC people here are in the same boat so most likely just laughing to themselves.
Prices will come down but not as fast as you might think, learn some patience and get a HDD external drive and use it. 5 mins to transfer a game won't kill you.
BlackM1st
Banned
Yeah, ever since PS3 I hear same excuses and nothing really changes, sony is simply incompetent when it comes to OS/software. Ok then, noted.
Not like anyone at Sony care as I'm still will be buying 2tb ssd, but fuck me if I will say anything good about Sony coders.
Sony and CoD MW coders are a match made in Hell. Ridiculous stuff...
01011001
Banned
I wonder tho how prices will fall over time.
during the PS360 era at first a 20GB hdd for the 360 cost 100€
and at the end of the generation you got a 500gb 360 HDD for the same price or even cheaper often.
that's a huge price reduction per GB.
FrankWza
Member
I mean eh. It's not that big of a deal.
Imagine getting so defensive over upgradeable storage space that you have to act like having twenty games installed on your video game console is absurd. Maybe Netflix should transition to the one show a day model, afterall who needs to watch all them shows at once.
On another note: The same people who justify playing on console for the simplicity of the experience are now suddenly okay with jumping through hoops. Gee I wonder why.
wait until the news comes out that ps5 comes with a sash and you have to play all games blindfolded. Now that's gonna be fun.
Desudzer10
Member
Both system's storage space sucks. Unless you wanna spend $200 on extra storage or wait till the inevitable console refresh in 2 or 3 years then you're going to have to settle with deleting and downloading alot.
01011001
Banned
Modern Warfare's current size is most likely also a side effect of the extremely slow HDDs and the terrible CPUs in current gen consoles.
they need to have often used assets on the HDD multiple times so the game can stream them in during Warzone matches without hitching.
the needle would need to constantly.move back and forth if an often used asset like a weapon model, vehicle or door... or even a wall texture was only on the HDD once in one specific spot.
it needs to be there multiple times in relevant spots in order to load fast and not make the game hitch or fail to load assets.
and they also can't compress assets that well because decompressing a highly compressed file would take up way too many CPU cycles on an already extremely limited mobile CPU from 2012.
so in the case of CoD you have to also fault the current hardware and all its limitations.
the terrible jaguar CPU (which was already really shit when it released) in combination with the slow 2.5" HDDs is now extremely limiting gamedesigns and the developers of CoD had to work around this which resulted in a massive file size in order to keep the game playable and as close to 60fps as possible
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Ass of Can Whooping
Member
This is the standard footprint for modern OS's on consoles
Better get used to it and it'll save you the heartache
DaleinCalgary
Member
much different technology to manufacture. I hope we can get 2TB down to $150 in a couple years. I doubt it though, more like $200.
BlackM1st
Banned
Listen man, to each his own, of course it's not a life and death discussion, we are talking about cheap 500$ toys for young adults.
But it also happens, that some users of said toys are 100% digital. (I'm 100% digital since PS3) And they want just go home from work, scroll through their library, press 1 button and play.
I can say from my 3tb PS4 pro experience (1+ 2tb external) that hdd management on ps4 is hot garbage and being all digital on PS is absolutely a miserable experience ever since PS3.
Matsuchezz
Member
Does anyone know what will end up being the available storage on Xss?
Ass of Can Whooping
Member
What's so difficult about using an external with the pro?
01011001
Banned
800 something GB
edit: apparently 802GB (edit: I read XSX instead of XSS... see a few posts below)
still having my fingers crossed that we can disable quick resume, which should free up about 65-70GB
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Entroyp
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802 GB out of 512? Is that a software feature of the Velocity Architecture?
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01011001
Banned
oh shit, you said XSS not XSX, uhm... no we don't.
I would expect maybe ~350GB
it needs less space for quick resume due to it's smaller RAM pool, so the OS will take up less space on the S
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Entroyp
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Oh it wasn't me man, and I just just making a jest : ) I know you meant the XsX.
01011001
Banned
oh... I just noticed lol, but still now I corrected myself either way lol
Probably more .. I expect the XSS to have a separate slower SSD storage for the OS
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Ass of Can Whooping
Member
Lol whut?
01011001
Banned
well, I wouldn't speculate on stuff they didn't even elude to in any way, but that would be a good solution I guess... but I wouldn't bet on it.
I could see them limiting the guaranteed quick resume games from 5 games to 4 or even 3 games, that would reduce the OS footprint quite a bit.
Series S games, especially AAA ones, will also be ~20% smaller most likely.
it has a ~28% smaller RAM pool which means textures will need to be shrunken down, if we expect all textures to be aroun 30% smaller in size and pre-rendered cutscenes as well, that will save a lot of space.
only the sound files will be the same between both... so a full on 28% reduction in size is most likely not possible but 15% to 20% should be doable in many games
Maxwell Jacob Friedman
leads to fear. Fear leads to xbox.
I mean I play only two games at a time, a single player focused game and a multiplayer game when I need to scratch that itch. Then the sungle player game gets deleted when I finish it
diffusionx
Gold Member
"Activision please stop making 50 gig patches every 2 weeks, the CernyDisk can't take it anymore"
"No"
carlosrox
Banned
For me that almost always kills it for me and it'll go into backlog forever so I hate doing it.
magnumpy
Member
I think I've heard that the additional SSD memory card thingie will be like $200 for xbox series X. would this be similar to what we're looking at for ps5 memory expansion, about $200? should this be realistically included in the base price, so about ~$700 for a full fat ps5 and then ~$70 for each additional game? so would ~$1,000 be good to save up for the launch of ps5?
I'm just trying to be realistic here ._.
I'm just trying to be realistic here ._.
anaphase
Member
Minimum. PSN, potentially an additional controller. This hobby is getting a tad bit too expensive
.Let's not even get into getting a tv or monitor to go with the hardware. Unless you already have one of course.
The_Mike
I cry about SonyGaf from my chair in Redmond, WA
Not really. The ssd is probably 1000 GB (or 988ish GB), and the UI seems to have a size of 175 GB.
Given windows 10 is around 40 GB it still seems a bit high though. In that perspective it seems a bit weird.
The last amount of missing storage could be a buffer for patches etc, so you don't need to delete something to update your games or the os.
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FrankWza
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I would wait and see.You should be able to store games on an external drive and transfer back and forth for the time being. All additional storage options will be supplemental storage. The SSD that comes with the PS5 is not user replaceable because of its speed. We'll have to wait for technology to catch up. The usb speed on ps5 is the fastest of the next gen consoles so transfer speeds should be pretty fast from an external.
Omnipunctual Godot
Member
I was doing some quick napkin math...
825 GB ---> is about 768 GB once you take into account formatting, provisioning etc. (about 7% or .9313)
769 GB - 664 GB = ~105 GB for OS...
I would guess the base install of the OS is ~ 15 GB (x 4 for extra space for /var and /usr folders) = ~60 GB (This is based on a larger install of OpenBSD, so might not be accurate)
So that would leave 40 - 45(ish) GB for fast resumes, application usage, updates and whatever other overhead is required.
Overall, not too bad. It will be similar maths for MS as well.
This wouldn't be required for the upgrade NVME in the storage slot, but:
500GB = ~465GB
1TB = ~953 GB
2TB = ~1884 GB
4TB = ~3814 GB
Also, we know the read speed of the SSD is 5.5GB/s... Anyone know what the write speed is?
825 GB ---> is about 768 GB once you take into account formatting, provisioning etc. (about 7% or .9313)
769 GB - 664 GB = ~105 GB for OS...
I would guess the base install of the OS is ~ 15 GB (x 4 for extra space for /var and /usr folders) = ~60 GB (This is based on a larger install of OpenBSD, so might not be accurate)
So that would leave 40 - 45(ish) GB for fast resumes, application usage, updates and whatever other overhead is required.
Overall, not too bad. It will be similar maths for MS as well.
This wouldn't be required for the upgrade NVME in the storage slot, but:
500GB = ~465GB
1TB = ~953 GB
2TB = ~1884 GB
4TB = ~3814 GB
Also, we know the read speed of the SSD is 5.5GB/s... Anyone know what the write speed is?
SakkanartSilentJealousy
Member
Someone forgot that PS5 start with only 825GB before format.
What we should concern is that both consoles take around 100GB of OS and save files. That's a lot I think.
What we should concern is that both consoles take around 100GB of OS and save files. That's a lot I think.
Investor9872
Member
About 175 GB less vs PS4 Pro, and 325 GB more than the launch PS4.
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Oddvintagechap
Banned
How the hell is it essential? Most people dont even play more than 4 games at the same time.
Fbh
Member
Doesn't seem that bad. It's a bit less than expected but people expecting more than 700gb were setting themselves up for disappointment.
If you can really hook up an external HDD and transfer games to/from it it's not that bad (has this been confirmed?).
Hopefully they have improved the way updates work. The biggest issue back when I had a 500gb PS4 was some games not being able to update even when I still had plenty of free space.
If you can really hook up an external HDD and transfer games to/from it it's not that bad (has this been confirmed?).
Hopefully they have improved the way updates work. The biggest issue back when I had a 500gb PS4 was some games not being able to update even when I still had plenty of free space.
FrankWza
Member
But think of the money you'll save on corrective lenses since you won't need to squint to read text.
It is 825 gb. Not 1000. It was revealed in March. It is also unparalleled by any drive on the market right now, and, in the near future. It has to be this size to fit in with the architecture and to keep costs down. It's an incredible value to be getting this drive with 650 usable GBs in a $400 or $500 console.
Thanks Sony!
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Illo
Member
Those SSD's need to be half the price until I'm willing to expand. I want to install at least 2tb on top of the existing card to get where I'm comfortable.
Only thing that helps Sony is if game file sizes will decrease because of the SSD formating. But with the inevitable file sizes playing backwards compatible PS4 games, ever increasing file sizes and huge save data file sizes. That 600gb is going to be ate up in a day or two.
Sony should had at least spring for a full 1TB.
Only thing that helps Sony is if game file sizes will decrease because of the SSD formating. But with the inevitable file sizes playing backwards compatible PS4 games, ever increasing file sizes and huge save data file sizes. That 600gb is going to be ate up in a day or two.
Sony should had at least spring for a full 1TB.
KingT731
Member
you could stick to an external SSD just for the purpose of storage. PS4 games don't need to be installed on the main SSD either.
MarkMe2525
Banned
A standard old external HDD solves this issue. It's going to be even better when external Sata SSDs drop in price. PS5 will have an advantage in this regard with it's 3 10 Gbps usb ports. Non issue
magnumpy
Member
Minimum. PSN, potentially an additional controller. This hobby is getting a tad bit too expensive
Let's not even get into getting a tv or monitor to go with the hardware. Unless you already have one of course.
for real. in addition to just the ps5 i will also need the storage ssd upgrade and additional speakers and a lucky rabbits foot for luck. add on a few games and that 2nd mortgage starts to look tempting
yurinka
Member
Well, that image proves that devkits when the photo were made had 664GB free. As it gets updated, size changes. Digital Foundry said the ones they saw had 620GB free. Probably the final one has another size.
On top of that, we have to remember it's de devkit, so it has some stuff that retail consoles don't have like stuff for debugging, profiling, etc. So size from final devkit and final retail consoles can be different too.
On top of that, we have to remember it's de devkit, so it has some stuff that retail consoles don't have like stuff for debugging, profiling, etc. So size from final devkit and final retail consoles can be different too.
bender
What time is it?
Exactly. External storage for completed games or games not in the rotation.
