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[Rocco Schiavone]

Give us the exact model (monitor), as many 4K panels are actually 8-but panels. I would go for Q90T personally, bet let's read more about that monitor. Games will most likely continue with HDR10, which is supported everywhere.

It's this one.

ASUS ROG announces world's first HDMI 2.1-certified 4K 120Hz gaming monitor - VideoCardz.com

ASUS Republic of Gamers (ROG) announced that its upcoming 43-inch gaming monitor is the first monitor to receive HDMI 2.1 certification, passing all compatibility and validation tests conducted by leading Allion Labs, Inc — an international company specializing in product testing. Unnamed ASUS...

videocardz.com

No real tech infos btw.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

It's this one.

ASUS ROG announces world's first HDMI 2.1-certified 4K 120Hz gaming monitor - VideoCardz.com

ASUS Republic of Gamers (ROG) announced that its upcoming 43-inch gaming monitor is the first monitor to receive HDMI 2.1 certification, passing all compatibility and validation tests conducted by leading Allion Labs, Inc — an international company specializing in product testing. Unnamed ASUS...

videocardz.com

No real tech infos btw.

Seems like a decent monitor. Maybe better wait and check the reviews to be more sure, and see the input lag numbers on rtings and compare to Q90T as those samsung tv's have some serious input lag numbers at 4K with VRR and with ALLM.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

2100 nits!!! Has HDMI 2.1, but doesn't support VRR nor ALLM, but 8K@60Hz and 4K@120Hz, and of course eARC.

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

Found this monitor:


Ambiglow looks amazing.

But it has no HDMI 2.1
Philips announced that there will be a newer version with HDMI 2.1
So my search continues.

 

[Kerotan]

We've had the sony X900E, XF900F, X900G and X900H. What do you think next years model will be called and when do they usually launch?

 

[Rocco Schiavone]

I hope their next TV line up uses mini led.
Don't even try to sell me a trashy TV with reduced
dimming zones count
like you did with your 2020 Line Up.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

 

[Brofist]

Yeah nah no thx Sony, CX for me

 

[Kerotan]

I feel bad for those looking for a ps5 TV now as opposed to anyone in 12 months when there's going to be a lot more options on the market.

 

[Tarin02543]

I feel bad for those looking for a ps5 TV now as opposed to anyone in 12 months when there's going to be a lot more options on the market.

Exactly. QD OLED should be hitting the market at the end of next year, with QNED following shortly after. These will saturate the market until Microled becomes a thing.

Yesterday I've read the next Ipad will have mini led. Perhaps Apple is already for aiming for Micro led?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I would say get what's available, change later in like 4-5 years if you have the budget.

 

[Kerotan]

Exactly. QD OLED should be hitting the market at the end of next year, with QNED following shortly after. These will saturate the market until Microled becomes a thing.

Yesterday I've read the next Ipad will have mini led. Perhaps Apple is already for aiming for Micro led?

Not to mention a much wider range will be supporting 2.1.

 

[Rick Dangerous]

After extensive research, i came to the conclusion that the tv closest to what i want is 75x950h, which i will NOT buy because it lacks 1 thing : hdmi 2.1 support.
So no new tv for me in 2020, so no ps5 in 2020...i'll go with my backlog on my ps4pro.
Too bad...

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

The XH90 is no slouch!

A comparison with some stress-test images (ie starry skies, subtitles on dark scenes etc) would be fantastic, but it’s clear that for most scenes, the XH90 punches above its weight. If you need wide viewing angles (does anyone, really?) and the best contrast then OLED is clearly unbeatable.

I hope Sony is working on something even better for 2021.

 

[R6Rider]

Just placed an order for the TCL 6 Series (R635) 55"

Doesn't have HDMI 2.1, but has the features I wanted from it and couldn't care less about 4k at 120hz especially at the distance I'll be. Can't beat the price for quality according to almost everyone who has reviewed or tested one. It will be my first TV I've bought in 10 years and a huge upgrade over my monitor I currently use.

 

[Kiya's Guard]

Hmm? AFAIK consoles have always been catered towards TVs. They don't have the fancy stuff a nowadays PC can, like gsync, 120hz and so.

 

[DeaDPo0L84]

Anyone here have the LG38GN950? I had ordered a 34" alienware monitor without realizing this one existed and am now thinking about going even bigger.

 

[dotnotbot]

Hmm? AFAIK consoles have always been catered towards TVs. They don't have the fancy stuff a nowadays PC can, like gsync, 120hz and so.

LG OLEDs have 120 Hz, G-sync/Freesync/VRR and better response times than any PC monitor available on the market.

Some LG Nanos have the same features as OLEDs and Sony XH90 has 120 Hz with VRR coming with an update later this year.

I think there are also some good gaming sets from Vizio but I'm not sure which ones exactly.

So overall TVs already caught up with monitors when it comes to features (well, except ultrawide aspect ratio) and are literally YEARS ahead in terms of picture quality.

 

[Kiya's Guard]

LG OLEDs have 120 Hz, G-sync/Freesync/VRR and better response times than any PC monitor available on the market.

Some LG Nanos have the same features as OLEDs and Sony XH90 has 120 Hz with VRR coming with an update later this year.

I think there are also some good gaming sets from Vizio but I'm not sure which ones exactly.

So overall TVs already caught up with monitors when it comes to features (well, except ultrawide aspect ratio) and are literally YEARS ahead in terms of picture quality.

Yeah, and which of those features do the consoles use? I wasn't saying tvs are better than monitors, I said consoles didn't use any extra features. But you're right, modern tvs are amazing.

Edit: IRRC, oled is not good for high refresh rates, the led changing speed is not quick enough. But that's for above 120hz I think

 

[dotnotbot]

Yeah, and which of those features do the consoles use? I wasn't saying tvs are better than monitors, I said consoles didn't use any extra features.

Ok, sorry, I just read wrong what you said.

led changing speed is not quick enough

Nah, changing speed is the best. You may say it's not good for 30 FPS and below (because of sample and hold effect), but 60 and above it's super clear in motion.

 

[Zathalus]

Yeah, and which of those features do the consoles use? I wasn't saying tvs are better than monitors, I said consoles didn't use any extra features. But you're right, modern tvs are amazing.

Edit: IRRC, oled is not good for high refresh rates, the led changing speed is not quick enough. But that's for above 120hz I think

Upcoming consoles will both use VRR and 120hz. Xbox already uses VRR and Freesync.

 

[Calverz]

Here:





Firmware update will unlock 4K@120Hz, VRR, ALLM, eARC. Input lag so far is as low as 7.2ms in 1080p@120Hz without even HDMI 2.1, so expect around 7-5ms for 4K@120Hz mode, HDR with VRR. It's 15.1ms for 4K@60fps mode now until it gets the update for higher refresh rate/input lag.

Sony X900H Review (XBR55X900H, XBR65X900H, XBR75X900H, XBR85X900H)

The Sony X900H, also sold as the X90CH at Costco, is a great 4k TV for nearly any type of content. It has a VA panel with an excellent contrast ratio and a full-...

www.rtings.com

Any news on this update pal? Thinking of getting this tv for my ps5 and xss. But i need dat sweet 4k @ 120hz. Have u got the tv yet? Its so cheap for what you get!!

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Any news on this update pal? Thinking of getting this tv for my ps5 and xss. But i need dat sweet 4k @ 120hz. Have u got the tv yet? Its so cheap for what you get!!

Nothing yet, which is pretty strange. But it'll 100% get there, it's massive if they don't. I have XD70 from Sony, back in 2016 it had no HDR until it got a firmware update. You might find it strange but Sony kept sending updates for my TV until now, and last update was in August as I remember!

So if you find a good priced one, you better get it, and if you think you'll have a better price in Black Friday, then get it then! For me, my budget is pretty tight at the moment so might buy it in December or January The 3+4 HDMI slots are already HDMI 2.1 ports, and look different. So the hardware is there, only software needed and it's being polished for probably next gen consoles at the moment.

 

[Calverz]

Nothing yet, which is pretty strange. But it'll 100% get there, it's massive if they don't. I have XD70 from Sony, back in 2016 it had no HDR until it got a firmware update. You might find it strange but Sony kept sending updates for my TV until now, and last update was in August as I remember!

So if you find a good priced one, you better get it, and if you think you'll have a better price in Black Friday, then get it then! For me, my budget is pretty tight at the moment so might buy it in December or January The 3+4 HDMI slots are already HDMI 2.1 ports, and look different. So the hardware is there, only software needed and it's being polished for probably next gen consoles at the moment.

Yea lack of firmware update+testing concerns me. Some also saying all 4 ports are 2.1?
Also both eurogamer and rtings rate the samsung q80t higher for gaming?

 

[Seph-]

Yea lack of firmware update+testing concerns me. Some also saying all 4 ports are 2.1?
Also both eurogamer and rtings rate the samsung q80t higher for gaming?

Touched on this a week or so ago. Google sounds to be the hold up with the Android 11 TV update (they just recently pushed it out to companies and the x900h is supposed to be skipping Android 10) this was also backed up by a Sony rep at work for TVs. (Best Buy) so it's likely being prepped imo. Hopefully end of the month or before launch. Would love to update my 65in already lol.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Yea lack of firmware update+testing concerns me. Some also saying all 4 ports are 2.1?
Also both eurogamer and rtings rate the samsung q80t higher for gaming?

No, only 3 and 4. They even look "chromey" if you watch reviews compared to 1 and 2. Some aren't happy with Q80T and Q70T has no dimming zones. It's better to jump to Q90T if you want Samsung. If you scroll back a few pages you'll see videos about that. Still not sure about the image quality in game mode for Q90T as Samsung tend to degrade the image noticeably for lesser input lag as they're the fastest, faster than most monitors as well.

Touched on this a week or so ago. Google sounds to be the hold up with the Android 11 TV update (they just recently pushed it out to companies and the x900h is supposed to be skipping Android 10) this was also backed up by a Sony rep at work for TVs. (Best Buy) so it's likely being prepped imo. Hopefully end of the month or before launch. Would love to update my 65in already lol.

Great! That's probably the problem then. Thank you for sharing.

 

[Ashtyr]

No, only 3 and 4. They even look "chromey" if you watch reviews compared to 1 and 2. Some aren't happy with Q80T and Q70T has no dimming zones. It's better to jump to Q90T if you want Samsung. If you scroll back a few pages you'll see videos about that. Still not sure about the image quality in game mode for Q90T as Samsung tend to degrade the image noticeably for lesser input lag as they're the fastest, faster than most monitors as well.



Great! That's probably the problem then. Thank you for sharing.

is it worse than in movie mode '? Yes it is, but there is not that much difference.

What if it happens is that the game mode apart from having worse local diming, but not by chance as Teoh suggests, it has the range raised by default, so with exactly the same sttings as the movie mode it will look as if you had rise the brightness .

That you have to correct it and once done there is no major problem.

Although the most important thing is that Samsung's dynamic tone mappoing interferes badly with the adjustment sliders, it is best to ignore the reference images and focus on how the game looks.

What is strange is that it gives him this result,

and suddenly this

Yes, it may be that if you raise the ISO of the camera it will look like this, but that is not what you will see with your eyes.


This is how it looks on the Q90r in game mode, it is more or less, is difficult to take a picture there, in fact the letters are yellow and they come out white

and more examples of other games in game mode on the Q90R

Taking photos on TV does not represent 100 quality but it is worth to get an idea.

Well adjusted the game mode what it has is a bit of blooming here and there, but nothing exaggerated, otherwise it looks incredible.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

is it worse than in movie mode '? Yes it is, but there is not that much difference.

What if it happens is that the game mode apart from having worse local diming, but not by chance as Teoh suggests, it has the range raised by default, so with exactly the same sttings as the movie mode it will look as if you had rise the brightness .

That you have to correct it and once done there is no major problem.

Although the most important thing is that Samsung's dynamic tone mappoing interferes badly with the adjustment sliders, it is best to ignore the reference images and focus on how the game looks.

What is strange is that it gives him this result,

and suddenly this

Yes, it may be that if you raise the ISO of the camera it will look like this, but that is not what you will see with your eyes.


This is how it looks on the Q90r in game mode, it is more or less, is difficult to take a picture there, in fact the letters are yellow and they come out white

and more examples of other games in game mode on the Q90R

Taking photos on TV does not represent 100 quality but it is worth to get an idea.

Well adjusted the game mode what it has is a bit of blooming here and there, but nothing exaggerated, otherwise it looks incredible.

Your input is very precious! Does the Q90R has HDMI 2.1? I think it has, right? And if you have it, what size is it? Let's have you as a reference in the OP

 

[NeoIkaruGAF]

is it worse than in movie mode '? Yes it is, but there is not that much difference.

Well adjusted the game mode what it has is a bit of blooming here and there, but nothing exaggerated, otherwise it looks incredible.

This is the kind of input we need in these threads. Thanks!

Of course comparisons such as Teoh's are invaluable for nitpickers, but scoffing at Samsung's premium TV line when it's clear they do have gaming in mind (unlike , ahem, Sony, with very few exceptions and late products) based on YT videos is extreme.

 

[Ashtyr]

Your input is very precious! Does the Q90R has HDMI 2.1? I think it has, right? And if you have it, what size is it? Let's have you as a reference in the OP

Mine is the Q90R in 55 ", about HDMI It has an intermediate point, which more or less could be considered 2.1, it's closer to being it than 2.0.

The TV has a 24Gbps HDMI port, supports VRR from the HDMI forum, ALLM, Freesync premium Pro with LFC, supports 4k 60hz 10 bits with chroma 4.4: 4, something that isn't possible with 2.0, and supports 120hz in 1080p, 1440p and 4k.

Now the 4k 120hz although it is at 10bits with HDR, it does so with 4: 2: 0 chroma

It is important? No, not really, in fact the movies are in that chroma and well I don't think anyone complains about how the movies look.

The only problem could be that the XSX and PS5 consoles will not support 4k 120hz with 4: 2: 0 chroma, but they have to do it to reproduce UHD or for TVs with HDMI 2.0 so there should be no problem, but we will see.

Although seen what has been seen, if we reach 4k NATIVES !! and 60 hz in Next gen games would already be an achievement.

Really when the intergenerational games are over I don't think that 4k 120hz will be seen much, and those that are seen at the beginning of the gen will be games that work at 60hz already on Ps4 / one

This is the kind of input we need in these threads. Thanks!

Of course comparisons such as Teoh's are invaluable for nitpickers, but scoffing at Samsung's premium TV line when it's clear they do have gaming in mind (unlike , ahem, Sony, with very few exceptions and late products) based on YT videos is extreme.

Thanks to you.

And if it was very strange about that video, but good.

And I repeat again, very very important advice, in these TVs, the Qled range in general, is very important, but do not trust the game setting screens, it is where you can screw up the most, and not because of your fault.

More than one game you have to put it "wrong" to make it look good, taking that into account, there are no more problems

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Mine is the Q90R in 55 ", about HDMI It has an intermediate point, which more or less could be considered 2.1, it's closer to being it than 2.0.

The TV has a 24Gbps HDMI port, supports VRR from the HDMI forum, ALLM, Freesync premium Pro with LFC, supports 4k 60hz 10 bits with chroma 4.4: 4, something that isn't possible with 2.0, and supports 120hz in 1080p, 1440p and 4k.

Now the 4k 120hz although it is at 10bits with HDR, it does so with 4: 2: 0 chroma

It is important? No, not really, in fact the movies are in that chroma and well I don't think anyone complains about how the movies look.

The only problem could be that the XSX and PS5 consoles will not support 4k 120hz with 4: 2: 0 chroma, but they have to do it to reproduce UHD or for TVs with HDMI 2.0 so there should be no problem, but we will see.

Although seen what has been seen, if we reach 4k NATIVES !! and 60 hz in Next gen games would already be an achievement.

Really when the intergenerational games are over I don't think that 4k 120hz will be seen much, and those that are seen at the beginning of the gen will be games that work at 60hz already on Ps4 / one



Thanks to you.

And if it was very strange about that video, but good.

And I repeat again, very very important advice, in these TVs, the Qled range in general, is very important, but do not trust the game setting screens, it is where you can screw up the most, and not because of your fault.

More than one game you have to put it "wrong" to make it look good, taking that into account, there are no more problems

That's a solid tv, nonetheless! If you already have a good 4K HDR tv, you're at least 90% good to go, no need to upgrade except if you have the luxury to do it. Welcome, we appreciate you here.

 

[Seph-]

Just dropping this in here for the X900h conversation. Winter 2020 seems to be the estimated time frame for the 2.1 update and such.

 

[Allnamestakenlol]

But........curved ultrawide.....

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Yes, ladies and gentlemen. My 2016 Sony X700D (XD70) 4K HDR TV just got another major update today. My 2015 LG LCD 4K didn't get an update after like late 2016 or early 2017. Something to consider when buying a tv, and yes some of these updates transformed the tv to latest Android layout of Sony 2020 tv's even still stopped at Android 8. And the system got snappier as it was a bit slow when I bought it back then.

 

[LiquidRex]

Yep... Gotta get myself one, maybe there's a car boot sale locally

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Yep... Gotta get myself one, maybe there's a car boot sale locally

Some people are just too stupid. Tell him to watch that again on a 4K tv.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

 

[Kerotan]

I have the sony x900F. Will that support at game @1080P 120FPS? Or do you need HDMI 2.1 for that?

 

[Bo_Hazem]

I have the sony x900F. Will that support at game @1080P 120FPS? Or do you need HDMI 2.1 for that?

Not sure, really, but probably can't get past 60Hz.

 

[The_Observer]

It might be a bit off-topic but I know a lot of people participating in this thread are very knowledgeable about this. So what's the benefit of having Dolby Vision in games instead of HDR10? As I understand the benefit of DV with movies is that the metadata can be based on frames instead of scenes like with HDR10. But isn't HDR in games already calculated on a per-frame basis? I don't get what is the benefit of DV then with games. Or it's only that it has a wider range of nits to be used? So you will only see benefit with DV games if you have a TV that can show some crazy nits numbers?

 

[DonJorginho]

Is 11.6ms good for (EDIT:Input Lag) It feels good to me but wanna know if I am just going delusional.

 

[rofif]

Any idea if there are other smaller oled hdmi 2.1 coming?
the lg cx 48 is totally not available

 

[Nerd Strangler]

Is 11.6ms good for response time? It feels good to me but wanna know if I am just going delusional.

Really depends on how it is measured. If 11.6ms is a full transition, then yes that is pretty good. Many of the gaming monitors advertised as "1ms" take significantly longer than that for a full transition.

 

[DonJorginho]

Really depends on how it is measured. If 11.6ms is a full transition, then yes that is pretty good. Many of the gaming monitors advertised as "1ms" take significantly longer than that for a full transition.

Yes that is for a full transition at 4K, 60HZ.

It is only a mid-tier LG 2019 Model but is good enough for my entertainment room.

 

[R6Rider]

I ended up getting the TCL 6 Series a bit earlier than I was planning, but man does it look good.

Experiencing HDR for the first time was amazing, and the game mode works great.

 

[Bo_Hazem]

It might be a bit off-topic but I know a lot of people participating in this thread are very knowledgeable about this. So what's the benefit of having Dolby Vision in games instead of HDR10? As I understand the benefit of DV with movies is that the metadata can be based on frames instead of scenes like with HDR10. But isn't HDR in games already calculated on a per-frame basis? I don't get what is the benefit of DV then with games. Or it's only that it has a wider range of nits to be used? So you will only see benefit with DV games if you have a TV that can show some crazy nits numbers?

Dolby Vision is a much higher color gamut than HDR10, more like HDR10+. Would it be used in games or just for Blu-ray movies on XSX? Not sure. PS5 hasn't specified anything yet. Sony TV's support Dolby Vision and HDR10 but not HDR10+, so they either support HDR10 again for games or bother HDR10 and Dolby Vision.

Is 11.6ms good for response time? It feels good to me but wanna know if I am just going delusional.

It is very good for input lag, don't mix it with response time.

Any idea if there are other smaller oled hdmi 2.1 coming?
the lg cx 48 is totally not available

I really doubt it, you can wait for 2021 models if something will be shown, more than sure TV manufacturers heard the complains about the lack of smaller sizes HDMI 2.1.

Yes that is for a full transition at 4K, 60HZ.

It is only a mid-tier LG 2019 Model but is good enough for my entertainment room.

I think that's input lag, response time is usually between 1-4ms as a standard or less. 11.6ms input lag for 4K@60Hz is extremely good, even for 4K monitors that struggle to hit that.

I ended up getting the TCL 6 Series a bit earlier than I was planning, but man does it look good.

Experiencing HDR for the first time was amazing, and the game mode works great.

No worries, you're not missing much. But if someone didn't buy yet, seeking HDMI 2.1 is better for future proofing, but it's like 10% upgrade over 4K HDR 6 60Hz .

 

[Allnamestakenlol]

Does game mode on newer tv's still turn off a bunch of visual bells and whistles? I never used it on any of my plasmas because, sure, the response times were better, but the image looked not near as good.

 

[DonJorginho]

I think that's input lag, response time is usually between 1-4ms as a standard or less. 11.6ms input lag for 4K@60Hz is extremely good, even for 4K monitors that struggle to hit that.

Just checked and yes that is for input lag!

 

[Bo_Hazem]

Just checked and yes that is for input lag!

It's one of the fastest then for that mode! Enjoy.

 

[DonJorginho]

It's one of the fastest then for that mode! Enjoy.

Thanks for the insight! Was always brought up as a big plus in it's reviews.