Yeah this stings. I guess it has to do with the format (18 hour movie being cut up into 18 episodes) and that bad part with Audrey taking up so much time.
I really don't like what they've done with Audrey :/
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Twin Peaks Season 3 OT |25 Years Later...It Is Happening Again
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I really don't like what they've done with Audrey :/
31GhostsIV
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This truly is the darkest timeline.
The series has had a fair few quotes referencing the state of things. Carl's 'this is a fucking nightmare', Sarah calling it a 'shit story' (or something along those lines). Twin Peaks (the town) is old, miserable and sick. I don't see how this story has a happy ending. I'm starting to think DoppelCoop goes to Twin Peaks but DougieCoop stays in Vegas. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas after all.
Twin Peaks is a town without a heart (Laura) or a soul (the sawmill and logging industry it was founded upon). Special Agent Cooper suddenly turning up doesn't fix these things.
ElectricBlanketFire
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You're right but this is hilarious that it's a thing be said after FINALLY seeing her.
Tony Redgrave
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I'm still counting on him to bring the light to the show. Believe!
Oh, and Laura too... somehow. She's the one after all.
31GhostsIV
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Haha, Showgirls Coop getting two rides of the naval area in the Twin Peaks swimming pool would be a great ending.
Originally the number nine was thrown around a lot, then Lynch blagged more money... and somehow double the episode count. Part of me hopes that he got exactly what he needed and not an arbitrary doubling of the episodes by way of the Showtime execs trying to get more value for money. Unfortunately the third Dr Amp show of the season makes it seem that way.
Camper Van Beethoven
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He should have been given more.
Apart from Audrey, whos always been shit, this was still 10x better than anything else on TV.
ElectricBlanketFire
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This season has been outstanding. Better than I could have ever imagined.
One clunker doesn't change that.
31GhostsIV
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The sad thing is, the first half wasn't a clunker at all but it was overshadowed the Audrey and recycled Dr Amp.
Another frustration of mine is exposition - in this episode, we see Diane have the Las Vegas text conversation. Then later, Albert endures the French lady's rather slow exit followed by Cole's dad joke about a turnip, just so he can tell Cole - and the audience, again - that the text conversation happened. Then Cole says 'who cares tonight I want to drink more FINE BORDEAUX'. Instead, when Diane sent her message, you could have had a brief scene with Tammy or Albert receiving the texts. But nope.
In the last episode, Albert is cut off from revealing the location of the Pacific Northwest town the Coordinates point to and the audience is given them to search for themselves. Then this week DA DA DAAAA Diane Googles them and we learn - again - that it's Twin Peaks. Agggh.
Tony Redgrave
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Actually, people are focusing on the bad parts but I thought that the Horne and Truman scene was pretty great, and the Sheriff got Coop's room key so that's another subplot that's moving forward.
The entire second half of this season so far has been kind of a clunker for me, but I didn't like last weeks episode as much as others here. Ever since post ep8 it's just felt totally aimless aside from tidbits about Coop slowly coming together.
Corpsepyre
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Shit, fuck the Twitter cunts hyping this up! I mean, it was a regular epi, but felt like filler save for the scene with the warden and Audrey's return was...Ok. I just finished it, and I don't know what to think. Even the ending track by Chromatics was eh.
The third straight recycling of Dr Amp is the kind of thing any other director would get crucified for.
31GhostsIV
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I loved last week's episode, and I also enjoyed the one with Major Briggs' chair.
I also loved my hungover half-way binge watch - as one piece of film, it (unsurprisingly) worked really well. As weekly spoonfuls, it's hit or miss but i'm confident it will be highly regarded as a complete piece of work.
The Twitter fucks are at it again!
I said this above, but I'm convinced the actors have a rough idea of what's happening but are misjudging when things air. Madchen Amick hyped learning about her and Bobby's relationship ahead of episode 10, but we didn't find out until the following episode. Here, Kyle was hyping Candie and she didn't appear once.
I think Lynch is keeping his cast on their toes.
Random note: Tammy - and this isn't even another attack on Chrysta Bell - adds nothing to the FBI scenes. She's a completely unnecessary character so far and I don't understand how she earned her way into the Blue Rose Squad.
Billy Zane's shorter than I expected.
Poor Miguel. Looked like he was toying with using a line from another film he was in when the women in red was taking forever to leave.
I did laugh at Audrey scene. Lynch definitely having fun completely fucking with audience expectations.
Nice scene with Ben and Nu-Truman.
Poor Miguel. Looked like he was toying with using a line from another film he was in when the women in red was taking forever to leave.
I did laugh at Audrey scene. Lynch definitely having fun completely fucking with audience expectations.
Nice scene with Ben and Nu-Truman.
Net_Wrecker
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Yeah it's not a bad episode all around IMO. The first ~30 minutes were great. It's the last 20 where it repeats the gold shovel thing, and goes on 2 poorly paced tangents with character names being thrown around in the 12th hour who we've never met, and don't know where they fit... YET... maybe.
But I also think people are fooling themselves if they think we're going to get answers to all of this, particularly the supernatural/lodge entities and oddities, and the weird Roadhouse stingers. I'm starting to think a lot of it might just be some added color to show how much of an outward shithole Twin Peaks has turned into, losing that mystique of having an idyllic surface but darkness underneath.
Then again someone else was looking for Billy a few episodes ago too.
#IT'SALLCONNECTED
Eh, you like what you like, nothing to argue there, but I personally do think Parts 9 and 11 are classic Twin Peaks. Part 10, which I already liked, was made even better by the payoffs in 11 as well. Part 12 is the only one I think has a chunk that I really wasn't feeling, and it's more to do with the execution of the scene than where Audrey has ended up, or the confusion of her situation right now.
But I also think people are fooling themselves if they think we're going to get answers to all of this, particularly the supernatural/lodge entities and oddities, and the weird Roadhouse stingers. I'm starting to think a lot of it might just be some added color to show how much of an outward shithole Twin Peaks has turned into, losing that mystique of having an idyllic surface but darkness underneath.
Then again someone else was looking for Billy a few episodes ago too.
#IT'SALLCONNECTED
Eh, you like what you like, nothing to argue there, but I personally do think Parts 9 and 11 are classic Twin Peaks. Part 10, which I already liked, was made even better by the payoffs in 11 as well. Part 12 is the only one I think has a chunk that I really wasn't feeling, and it's more to do with the execution of the scene than where Audrey has ended up, or the confusion of her situation right now.
Sounds like next week is guaranteed to have some developments then.
31GhostsIV
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Or that sweeping you like is coming back into style.
I've missed something here -- what did Fenn say recently??
The Jackdog
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its not that the episode was bad IMO, its that it was so weak when the show should probably be "moving" a little more. or at least we expect it to be
mariachi507
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I believe there's going to be many disappointed in the finale for not giving the type of closure they want. There are many great endings that are left open though. I even consider Fire Walk With Me to be the perfect ending to the original series, especially with that final scene.
There's a good chance we'll be left with just as many questions as we do answers.
There's a good chance we'll be left with just as many questions as we do answers.
The Jackdog
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im fine with more questions than answers, but what im curious if this is Lynch considering twin peaks done or if he wrote this with the idea that the door might be open for more episodes.
like im fine with getting lynch's version of however he wants to end this, as long as its him actually ending it.
Oh yeah this thread is going to full of pissed of people after the finale
John Dunbar
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it's pretty silly how they said "some town in..." or whatever in episode 11 when talking about the coordinates, when they were already familiar with twin peaks (at least albert and gordon were). logical reaction would have been "gordon, it's twin peaks." made the ending of this episode just pointless.
Wrestlemania
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Wasn't that because they didn't want Diane to know that they knew she'd also want to know where they led by memorising the coordinates which Albert watched her do?
I'm expecting series 2 finale again, honestly, with tons of dangling plot "in" the town, with the real meat being a trip through the Lodge again for Coop to face off against Mr.C.
mariachi507
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I can't link a direct interview but there's been plenty of post on how that the Twin Peaks revival is just a one-time deal and was written as such. However, there's also been some contradictory comments from Lynch that he'd possibly do another season based on the success of this one. I believe that's more referring to how much fun he had making it instead of the story not being finished.
31GhostsIV
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Possibly, although the Woodsman can be seen as an allegory for the media polluting the minds of the populace, something Doc does a pretty good job of already with his shtick.
I haven't listened to it yet, but the Twin Peaks Unwrapped podcast has an interview with Sherilyn Fenn: https://twinpeaksunwrapped.podbean.com
I completely forgot Fenn is Suzie Quatro's niece.
mariachi507
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I don't even think I deserve another season 2 caliber finale. I'd be one happy guy if it did happen though.
I didn't hate Ep. 12, but man, it sure felt like Frost & Lynch wanted me to.
As everyone else already said, Team Blue Rose 2.0, good not great (I'll come back to that). Sarah Palmer in the convenience store was great. Hawk following up with her was great. Ben Horne and Frank Truman was mostly great (Robert Forster saying "I'm sorry" three different times/ways came off needlessly banal IMO). The Redneck Assassin Squad was fine. That at least moved the plot along. Even the Audrey scene was mostly fine for me. They really hammed it up considering the limited entertainment value and very limited info we learned, but what the hell, I can live with it. I figure it's Frost & Lynch foreshadowing things again. That much is pretty clear with 'Billy' now referenced twice before we actually see him.
The one that really tried my patience was Gordon and his French lady friend. If you stretch the definition, I suppose it's reminiscent of the Lil scene in FWWM, but whereas that served a roundabout purpose, I felt like this served no purpose. Maybe I'll feel different if/when they explain the 'code' this time, but especially with Albert's reaction, it makes Gordon Cole feel like some lascivious old bastard who'd rather play with boobies and a decoder ring than find out what happened to two, possibly three of his friends and fellow agents who disappeared 25 years ago. Why are they sitting around in a hotel in South Dakota for days on end? Why wouldn't you head for the coordinates ASAP? Why wouldn't you be investigating the wedding ring found in Major Briggs' stomach?
Additionally, going back to the scene where they added Tammy to the team, Albert clearly said Jefferies was chosen to lead the Blue Rose group and then he handpicked Chet Desmond, Albert and Cooper for the team, which directly contradicts the scene in FWWM in which Gordon tells Cooper "Coop, meet the long lost Philip Jefferies". I mean, you've had 25 years to bottle those ends and that's the best you can manage? Sloppy IMO. I bet the retcon is something along the lines of Jefferies picked the team and then disappeared while on his assignment before meeting them, even though there's a picture of them all together in The Missing Pieces. Whatever.
The Bang Bang Bar scene was actually fine IMO. As others pointed out, the guy almost being run off the road could point to the fact that Doop is back in town. In fact, that was my first thought when you heard the obvious sounds of someone else in Sarah Palmer's house. In the show, she seemed very fond of Cooper after he offered to drive her to the funeral for Leland and calmed her. I can absolutely buy that if he showed up back in town and said he needed her help, she would help him, and with BOB 'removed' from Doop, she probably wouldn't detect that it's not real Cooper, especially in her state.
Weakest episode of the season for me, but I didn't actively hate it. Then again, I try to never listen to Twitter hype. Everything on Twitter is either the greatest thing ever or the worst in all of recorded history. Whether or not it was a troll or Lynch played with the episode order is irrelevant to me in that regard. Didn't plagiarize say Ep. 12 was screened at TP Fest? Maybe he can clear that part up anyway.
At the very least, this episode either has so much to unpack that we don't even know it yet, or so little that I guess it'll almost be like another week off from the show.
Master_Funk
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Not the best episode of the season, but the Sarah palmer stuff was soooo good, that it offsets some of the less successful scenes.
31GhostsIV
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I'm expecting and ending like The Wire as in
(Spoiler tagged for those who haven't seen The Wire, if you haven't god damn it go and watch it now.
the cycle continues
Fantastical
Death Prophet
I felt the open sexualization of his fellow FBI agent was sleazier.
Moltisanti
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this ep felt more like the 1st half of the season in that it felt like a slow burn. I still enjoyed it tho.
thought jerry was about to run up on Jacoby but just nadine and her milkshake again lol
thought jerry was about to run up on Jacoby but just nadine and her milkshake again lol
Vyse The Legend
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I LOVED Diane's delivery of "Let's rock" especially with the sound flourish.
What's Gordon and and Albert's endgame with her? They know she's leaking information, so why bring her into the fold? I'm guessing they just want to keep spying on her, and that did result in them being directed toward Dougie (Vegas).
What's Gordon and and Albert's endgame with her? They know she's leaking information, so why bring her into the fold? I'm guessing they just want to keep spying on her, and that did result in them being directed toward Dougie (Vegas).
EatChildren
Currently polling second in Australia's federal election (first in the Gold Coast), this feral may one day be your Bogan King.
There is no way this episode wasn't a totally deliberate construction of drawn out frustrations. Vague, long winded scenes that frequently amounted to nothing but trivialities and repetition. The French girl taking forever to leave adjusting every little bit of her clothing while Gordon gawked. The audibly exaggerated mixing of the countless hand slumps and slaps of a disappointed Ben on his chair. One sided exposition as Audrey watches on with zero resolution. And then the final scene is a bunch of nobodies having dense soap opera exposition dump.
That might be more questionable behavior in-universe, but at least he wasn't in full horny cartoon wolf mode back then.
Fig. A - David Keith Lynch
The one interesting thing about the conversation between Frank and Ben, besides the key, is that Ben clearly lies to Frank about Richard. Ben didn't hear from him directly, but the fact that Frank doesn't mention Richard robbing Sylvia indicates he probably didn't know (my guess is Sylvia doesn't live in town anymore but nearby and thus TPPD wouldn't be called) and Ben never mentions it to Frank. Again, could be nothing, but interesting to note. Maybe Ben isn't quite as good as he appears and Richard is his "go get shit done" piece.
JoJoShabadoo
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This argument (and its 95 percent better than the rest of TV variant) is such a bullshit argument that somehow finds its way in every TV show thread.
What kind of criteria is that? Sure, something can be better than all those shit reality shows, uninspired travel shows, bland sitcoms etc. But, we're judging twin peaks as twin peaks.
I'm starting to think that Lynch is NOT the genius everyone holds him up to be. He still has some good ideas and a very unique style, but I think he's out of practice and his whole "I don't watch movies" thing is clearly a mistake.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, he's trolling the shit out of us in a wink wink nudge nudge way one hundred times too many. Imagine if in the original show the old waiter showed up every other scene. "That milk will get cool on you!"
And let's be honest, the fact that more and more people in here are voicing their concern shows that we're losing faith in Lynch. There's less and less time for this show to get somewhere interesting. Anytime the show does get somewhere interesting, it doesn't stay there. That to me just means it's a poorly written script. Period. It may be well directed but it's badly written.
I'm almost fully convinced that the last stretch of episodes will be underwhelming and everyone will be left with a "that's it?"
Lynch is an artist, not a genius. He'd be the first one to reject any uber-intellectual reading or parsing of intent behind his work. His films and Twin Peaks are heavily inspired by dreams and gut feelings, not intellect.
Given how both the original show and Fire Walk With Me ended, maybe you should expect a "THAT'S the ending?!" feeling in five weeks.
benicillin
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It's a really interesting thing to be watching Twin Peaks in realtime because I've always been able to bingewatch the show. One per week makes the clunkier episodes stick out more. I imagine the audiences during the original run would have sounded a lot like this thread.
Still not worried about time running out on the season, 6ish hours of Twin Peaks is a hell of a lot of time.
Still not worried about time running out on the season, 6ish hours of Twin Peaks is a hell of a lot of time.
Finale Fireworker
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We have viciously different appreciations of Audrey Horne. I don't really know what else to say.
Airola
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Nah, I think Lynch just thought it would be sexy as hell to let her do that and funny as hell to make Albert stand there waiting
JoJoShabadoo
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The ending to FWWM was brilliant and an actual ending to a prologue. The ending to the show actually did a good job of wrapping up many stories, and handwaving the bad ones away in one fell swoop (Lynch to the rescue) like Super Nadine.
My "genius" comments are directed to those who label him as such. I, too, see him just as an artist. And like any other artist, they are prone to make mistakes or at the very least be misunderstood by the public.
ResidentWeevil13
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Honestly thought episode 10 was worse than this one, and neither was BAD really. Don't know why everyone is reacting so badly to 12, besides the whole #NotMyAudrey thing.
Just enjoy the lazy-river ride through nightmarish scenarios, soap-opera drama, and hilariously awkward silences.
Me and the people I watched with were cracking up through that whole scene. The lady especially was great.
Just enjoy the lazy-river ride through nightmarish scenarios, soap-opera drama, and hilariously awkward silences.
Nah, I think Lynch just thought it would be sexy as hell to let her do that and funny as hell to make Albert stand there waiting
Me and the people I watched with were cracking up through that whole scene. The lady especially was great.
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