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[Kadayi]

was that berenice marlohe btw from skyfall? God damn she was fine

Yeah, it was, and I'll second that opinion. She reminded me of Sophia Loren in some respects in terms of the styling.

Also, agree that this episode didn't really hit on a lot of levels. After a lot of progress in the previous one, this felt like it was treading water with some indulgent scnes that either went on too long or didn't really answer any questions. Also, I have to think that Lynch and Frost were playing some shitty level of prank on Sherlyn Fenn with how they've set her up.

 

[Human Trashcan]

jesus christ that last ep was straight up hostile to the audience. Hey you want Audrey? Here she is, in the most drawn-out, boring, contextless scene imaginable. Followed by another boring scene with characters you don't know talking about other characters you don't know and don't give a fuck about. And Lynch's self-insert being a horndog that women half his age fall for (as well as every other male character being pretty much twice the age of their love interests)

I'm feeling less generous about this show than at any point previously, this was a real fucking low. That episode straight up pissed me off.

 

[PizzaFace]

The French lady part plays much worse when you're watching week by week. If I knew I didn't have to wait another 7 days for the next episode I would have enjoyed it a lot more.

 

[Chumley]

jesus christ that last ep was straight up hostile to the audience. Hey you want Audrey? Here she is, in the most drawn-out, boring, contextless scene imaginable. Followed by another boring scene with characters you don't know talking about other characters you don't know and don't give a fuck about. And Lynch's self-insert being a horndog that women half his age fall for (as well as every other male character being pretty much twice the age of their love interests)

I'm feeling less generous about this show than at any point previously, this was a real fucking low. That episode straight up pissed me off.

Agree with every word.

 

[Dynamite Shikoku]

jesus christ that last ep was straight up hostile to the audience. Hey you want Audrey? Here she is, in the most drawn-out, boring, contextless scene imaginable. Followed by another boring scene with characters you don't know talking about other characters you don't know and don't give a fuck about. And Lynch's self-insert being a horndog that women half his age fall for (as well as every other male character being pretty much twice the age of their love interests)

I'm feeling less generous about this show than at any point previously, this was a real fucking low. That episode straight up pissed me off.

Get ready for the season finale of two hours of dougie trying to tie his shoelaces

 

[Airola]

I probably would have enjoyed the French woman scene more if I could believe that Lynch did it primarily for humor and not because he's an old pervert self-admittedly obsessed with the female form. Kind of like Tammy.

I liked it for both reasons. I enjoyed seeing Lynch seemingly enjoying it himself and I liked it for the humor and I liked it for the heartful way the lady did her thing

Why not both

This

 

[Airola]

Imagine if there was social media/forums during the original series run:

Well, about that....
http://www.lostinthemovies.com/2014/11/twin-peaks-on-internetin-1990-alttvtwin.html

If you haven't read these before, have fun!

 

[Jocund]

Très bon

 

[minor effort]

About the only part of the most recent episode I found tiresome was the Jacoby skit. They're practically recycling footage of him and Nadine in those.

 

[The Elite]

Well, about that....
http://www.lostinthemovies.com/2014/11/twin-peaks-on-internetin-1990-alttvtwin.html

If you haven't read these before, have fun!

Morrison, 6/12/91

A 1-Line Review of the Final Episode...

Watching this episode was like watching TWIN PEAKS put a gun to its head and pull the trigger.

This is a goldmine.

Morrison would be a quality Gaf member.

 

[Arkanius]

Jesus, thanks for reminding me about how terrible the opening to FWWM was. Going from that to the brilliance that followed once Coop showed up was the most jarring shift ever.

I liked the opening of FWWM

 

[Spoo]

I'm not trying to say people who liked it are wrong to like it, just that I'd guess that if these kinds of episodes and this pace continues more and more people are going to lose patience with Lynch. There's people who will enjoy anything he does no matter what, the true believers, but everyone else? I don't know.

I'm one of these people -- lost interest at episode 9, I think. I haven't watched any episodes since.

I'm not afraid to admit that I wanted something out of this whole series. That's not to say that I wanted it to all take place in Twin Peaks, or to even be some kind of silly, oddball show with a detective walking around eating cake. I actually think the first 2 episodes of the show are brilliant.

But I did expect Cooper, the best character, in-character, and at the center of whatever unfolded. For whatever reason, it looks like Lynch doesn't want that. Instead, NiN music videos, or minutes of things getting swept up, are more pressing usages of the time.

Hardcore fans or whatever can love it, and that's fine. I guess I'm not hardcore enough, or whatever. But I'm not willing to look at what Lynch has put up for offer here and say it's anything north of mediocre, and I'd bet that, given a long enough period of time, even hardcore fans will get there.

 

[big ander]

I disliked pt 12 but it was the first episode since 8 to directly cause vivid awful nightmares. So...at least it got under my skin?

 

[Net_Wrecker]

Well, about that....
http://www.lostinthemovies.com/2014/11/twin-peaks-on-internetin-1990-alttvtwin.html

If you haven't read these before, have fun!

- If the public and the critics do get fed up with TWIN PEAKS, as I'm beginning to suspect they shortly will, it won't be over not being told who killed Laura Palmer -- it will be out of revulsion at watching a taut, quirky thriller denegerate into schlocky mysticism.

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- I really think its past time for them to get rid of the BOB plotline. I'm past tired of young women on being brutally murdered on the show. the 11/10 episode where Maddy is almost certainly killed had by far the most disturbing scene I've ever seen on TV. I havn't even been mildly freaked by anything else that has went on before. But watching Leland/BOB do his thing on Maddy was just a bit to much.

There seem to be plenty of other plots going, so why do they keep dragging this out?

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- I'll start by saying that I'm not going to absolutely defend the Ms. article; personally, I found that some of it went too far. But I am somewhat distressed that there are people who seem to be contending that there is no sexism at all on Twin Peaks. Our entire society is sexist; why should Twin Peaks be any different? I am not advocating, and shall not advocate, that Lynch/Frost change their vision simply to please me; art is art, and they are entitled to create their own vision and put it out in the world. I find the vision of Twin Peaks to be a powerful and thought-provoking one. I criticize because for me the essence of truly effective horror (and I think TP can be classified as horror - or is this another debate? ;-)) is an atmosphere that has enough identifiable with the world that I live in to affect my perceptions of my own existence. For me, the stereotypical gender roles presented on the show dull some of its effectiveness.

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- Does anyone else feel like there's a lot of reverse engineering going on hee? That is to say, fitting the story around various Lynchian indulgences. I have a hard time believing that the goal of the "dancing dwarf" was to point to Leland as a killer. Also, the "golden ring" bit seemed similarly contrived. One gets the impression that Lynch throws in various odd stuff, and the rest of the writers and directors try to come up with reasonable explanations.

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- Anyway, the article went through a number of directors and Lynch was one of them. At the time, I knew there were a number of things about TP's that I didn't like but I thought that they were distinct and individual problems and hadn't really seen a connection, until I saw this criticism. What was said is that Lynch's work lacks and real plot development. It pointed out that Lynch's work is made up of separate scenes and dialogue that do nothing to further the plot and tend to become more and more bizarre - and then, in the final 5-10 minutes, the entire plot unfolds. I realized that this was true (in my opinion) of Blue Velvet and I began to think about TPs. It seems to me that this same problem runs through TPs as well. We see 30-40 minute 'chunks' of scenes that do very little plot development (if any at all) and then we see 5-10 minute segments (although not always at the end of any particular episode, but instead spread through the whole series), where the actual story is explained and developed and advanced.

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The more things change...

 

[Futureman]

Episode was a little meandering... I agree probably weakest of the season (after my favorite of the entire series possibly!), but not worth the ridiculous venom in here ha. It was still enjoyable as I love this world and characters. There were some fun moments and if you don't like Lynch's slow pace I guess I understand not liking that one.

The Audrey part was admittedly frustrating. I don't think she even moved. She stood in the same spot for like 5 minutes having a hard to follow conversation haha. Interested to see where her story goes though.

 

[The Elite]

I

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The more things change...

Even in the early 90s I would pretty much say that you should know what to expect from Lynch by now.

It's funny reading these quotes though.

 

[minor effort]

I'm one of these people -- lost interest at episode 9, I think. I haven't watched any episodes since.

I'm not afraid to admit that I wanted something out of this whole series. That's not to say that I wanted it to all take place in Twin Peaks, or to even be some kind of silly, oddball show with a detective walking around eating cake. I actually think the first 2 episodes of the show are brilliant.

But I did expect Cooper, the best character, in-character, and at the center of whatever unfolded. For whatever reason, it looks like Lynch doesn't want that. Instead, NiN music videos, or minutes of things getting swept up, are more pressing usages of the time.

Hardcore fans or whatever can love it, and that's fine. I guess I'm not hardcore enough, or whatever. But I'm not willing to look at what Lynch has put up for offer here and say it's anything north of mediocre, and I'd bet that, given a long enough period of time, even hardcore fans will get there.

I really don't consider myself a hardcore Twin Peaks fan, but I've been thoroughly enjoying S3.

Even taken as vignettes, I'm enjoying these disparate and seemingly disconnected scenes far more than the dredges of S2.

I guess it helps that I didn't really have high expectations that I'd dig Twin Peaks S3. I've been pleasantly surprised if anything.

 

[kris.]

Rewatching the original run and maaaan, I wish Jack Nance was still around. Pete Martell is secretly the best Twin Peaks character.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

Even in the early 90s I would pretty much say that you should know what to expect from Lynch by now.

It's funny reading these quotes though.

Those complaints you like are going to come back in style.

I was expecting divisiveness though, so I'm not shocked. I've said this in the thread before, but I'm honestly surprised at how much "Twin Peaks" is actually in the show. Frost's touch and Lynch's love of the property still come through. But at the end of the day, this is also one of the most singular visions (from two brains) we've ever seen on TV, a vision that is not necessarily playing up to fan desires or expectations, or playing by the normal rules of what constitutes compelling serial television, so expecting everyone to enjoy it, or even be on the same wavelength, is unreasonable.

 

[Real Hero]

Rewatching the original run and maaaan, I wish Jack Nance was still around. Pete Martell is secretly the best Twin Peaks character.

At least we know he died a hero

 

[The Elite]

I guess it helped that my expectations for Cooper were that he would probably not even get out of the Lodge until midway through the season at the earliest. I thought that the story would revolve more around Evil Coop and the quest to find the real Cooper.


Other than that, I really had no expectations.

 

[stuminus3]

I rewatched the original Pilot episode last night for shits 'n' giggles... besides being one of the finest 94 minutes of television ever crafted it's interesting that it's the setup for a small town murder mystery and nothing more. There's no hint at all of the supernatural weirdness that even the following episodes contain, characters are quirky but not behaving randomly and saying weird things out of context, no hint of BOB or Lodges or or any of that.

I think the Pilot is what brought Twin Peaks into the zeitgeist, although it's Episode 29 (or at least the last 10 minutes or so of it) that kept us talking about it all these years?

 

[Blader]

Hardcore fans or whatever can love it, and that's fine. I guess I'm not hardcore enough, or whatever. But I'm not willing to look at what Lynch has put up for offer here and say it's anything north of mediocre, and I'd bet that, given a long enough period of time, even hardcore fans will get there.

I don't think I'm a hardcore fan -- I really like Twin Peaks but I didn't start watching it until this year -- and am loving this season, warts and all. Alas, hopefully one day my plebe mind will finally catch up to yours and realize the truth!


(It's fine to not like this season -- it's a weird, divisive show that tests viewers' patience in such a way at times that it can seem like Lynch and Frost are daring you to keep watching -- but it's pretty obnoxious and shitty to act like you're above it at all just because you don't like it, and that the only reason anyone would like this season is because they're some hardcore Lynch nut who has deluded themselves into liking anything that has his or TP's name slapped on it.)

 

[Solo]

This season has been absolutely wonderful, from start to.....episode 11. But let's be honest here, episode 12 was a stinker. And that's fine. The show is batting 11/12 so far, and if it maintains that an we only get 1 or 2 poor episodes out of 18, that's a damn good run of television.

I'm sure episode 13 will be great.

 

[JoJoShabadoo]

This season has been absolutely wonderful, from start to.....episode 11. But let's be honest here, episode 12 was a stinker. And that's fine. The show is batting 11/12 so far, and if it maintains that an we only get 1 or 2 poor episodes out of 18, that's a damn good run of television.

I'm sure episode 13 will be great.

Episode 12 exhibits many of the same flaws earlier episodes do. I don't see why it's the only bad one.

Also in my opinion episode 12 isn't nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Other than the Audrey scene, french escort (my taking was that she took her sweet time because she charges by the hour), and random citizens of twin peaks + another fucking musical performance, it was good.

Edit: oh and the reused Jacoby footage. Any other director/showrunner would be written off by the audience if that happened.

 

[Dusk Golem]

I rewatched the original Pilot episode last night for shits 'n' giggles... besides being one of the finest 94 minutes of television ever crafted it's interesting that it's the setup for a small town murder mystery and nothing more. There's no hint at all of the supernatural weirdness that even the following episodes contain, characters are quirky but not behaving randomly and saying weird things out of context, no hint of BOB or Lodges or or any of that.

I think the Pilot is what brought Twin Peaks into the zeitgeist, although it's Episode 29 (or at least the last 10 minutes or so of it) that kept us talking about it all these years?

Basically, but missing one important piece. Arguably the four most important episodes of Twin Peaks are the Pilot (episode 0), Episode 2, Episode 14, & Episode 29.

The Pilot set it all up, despite no supernatural elements there was nothing else like Twin Peaks on TV at the time and it caught a lot of people off-guard and intrigued, though it certainly helped back then there wasn't too many channels and so Twin Peaks by virtue got a lot of exposure.

Episode 2 (actually 3, but since we're working with the Pilot is zero thing) is basically what set Twin Peaks to be remembered for years to come on a pop culture and not just historical level. It's Episode 3 where the first real singe of surrealistic bizarre imagery of Twin Peaks creeps up in full force, being topped with Cooper's dream sequence and our first look at the Man From Another Place and the Waiting Room. This episode not only had that defining scene, it also had a number of scenes that are maybe some of the most memorable in the whole series, including the rock throwing scene. This episode basically affirmed for people that Twin Peaks was 'weird' but in a very intriguing way, and the show was much stranger than people even thought from the first two episodes and even further away from the television set-up of the time.

Episode 14 is both one of the most important episodes for a good and bad reason. It's the episode that Laura's killer is revealed in (though Leland sticks around for a couple more episodes after this), it features the scene of Maddy's death at Leland's hands, the reveal, and a number of other memorable scenes. This episode has a lot of good stuff in it, but also signifies the beginning of the end for the show as a lot of viewership drop off after this episode.

Episode 29 is important as the Season 2 finale and the series finale for 20-something years. However it's helped that the episode is what sealed Twin Peaks as an all time favorite series for many, it's the most bizarre the original series arguably ever got and we get our extended look at the Waiting Room and Cooper succumbing to his doppelganger and the cliffhanger ending. This episode stayed in fans consciousness for years and I think it ending on that note elevated the show for many. Like if it ended on, say the Miss Twin Peaks pageant and Episode 29 never happened I don't think the show would've quite had the same legacy as it did, it'd be still somewhat relevant but I think the series ending on such a high note and never properly concluded gave it some additional power.

What I think are the four most important episodes of the original run. For the record, we won't really be able to judge Season 3 in the same way for many years probably as all of these conclusions come after the show finished, grew with new audiences and formed a legacy, and given many years for the show to sort of solidify its place.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

This season has been absolutely wonderful, from start to.....episode 11. But let's be honest here, episode 12 was a stinker. And that's fine. The show is batting 11/12 so far, and if it maintains that an we only get 1 or 2 poor episodes out of 18, that's a damn good run of television.

I'm sure episode 13 will be great.

11 and a half.

Y'all tripping throwing the first half under the bus because of the last 20 minutes. The Sarah Palmer scenes, the Blue Rose induction, the Truman/Ben Horne scene, the most brutal Wendy's ad ever filmed. Once the rage wears off, time will reveal the gems of Part 12.

Unless Part 13 adds more fuel to the black fire

 

[SCHUEY F1]

12 definitely had some good moments.

 

[Blader]

Episode 12 exhibits many of the same flaws earlier episodes do. I don't see why it's the only bad one.

Also in my opinion episode 12 isn't nearly as bad as everyone makes it out to be. Other than the Audrey scene, french escort (my taking was that she took her sweet time because she charges by the hour), and random citizens of twin peaks + another fucking musical performance, it was good.

Chromatics! If anything, there wasn't enough of their performance.

 

[Solo]

I hope people have come to grips with Cooper not coming back until the end of Episode 18. After all, it was billed as "the odyssey of Cooper's return to TP" (hatchet job paraphrasing). That's what we were sold up front, and not "the odyssey of Cooper returning in episode 4 and solving another case". I firmly believe now that Dougie is here to stay til the (near) end, and I'm quite fine with that. Even as Dougie, Cooper is making people's lives better and bringing optimism into the world.

 

[plagiarize]

Basically, but missing one important piece. Arguably the four most important episodes of Twin Peaks are the Pilot (episode 0), Episode 2, Episode 14, & Episode 29.

The Pilot set in up, despite no supernatural elements there was nothing else like Twin Peaks on TV at the time and it caught a lot of people off-guard and intrigued, though it certainly helped back then there wasn't too many channels and so Twin Peaks by virtue got a lot of exposure.

Episode 2 (actually 3, but since we're working with the Pilot is zero thing) is basically what set Twin Peaks to be remembered for years to come on a pop culture and not just historical level. It's Episode 3 where the first real singe of surrealistic bizarre imagery of Twin Peaks creeps up in full force, being topped with Cooper's dream sequence and out first look at the Man From Another Place and the Waiting Room. This episode not only had that defining scene, it also had a number of scenes that are maybe some of the most memorable in the whole series, including the rock throwing scene. This episode basically affirmed for people that Twin Peaks was 'weird' but in a very intriguing way, and the show was much stranger than people even thought from the first two episodes and even further away from the television set-up of the time.

Episode 14 is both one of the most important episodes for a good and bad reason. It's the episode that Laura's killer is revealed in (though Leland sticks around for a couple more episodes after this), it features the scene of Maddy's death at Leland's hands, the reveal, and a number of other memorable scenes. This episode has a lot of good stuff in it, but also signifies the beginning of the end for the show as a lot of viewership drop off after this episode.

Episode 29 is important as the Season 2 finale and the series finale for 20-something years. However it's helped that the episode is what sealed Twin Peaks as an all time favorite series for many, it's the most bizarre the original series arguably ever got and we get our extended look at the Waiting Room and Cooper succumbing to his doppelganger and the cliffhanger ending. This episode stayed in fans consciousness for years and I think it ending on that note elevated the show for many. Like if it ended on, say the Miss Twin Peaks pageant and Episode 29 never happened I don't think the show would've quite had the same legacy as it did, it'd be still somewhat relevant but I think the series ending on such a high note and never properly concluded gave it some additional power.

What I think are the four most important episodes of the original run. For the record, we won't really be able to judge Season 3 in the same way for many years probably as all of these conclusions come after the show finished, grew with new audiences and formed a legacy, and given many years for the show to sort of solidify its place.

On point as usual.

There is weirdness in the pilot though. Not much, but you have odd dancing students (if I remember right) and Sarah Palmer having a vision of the necklace being removed.

Obviously the red room scene was shot when they shot the pilot too even if it didn't air until episode 2. The weirdness is right below the surface and you do get a glimpse, even if just a glimpse.

 

[plagiarize]

I hope people have come to grips with Cooper not coming back until the end of Episode 18. After all, it was billed as "the odyssey of Cooper's return to TP" (hatchet job paraphrasing). That's what we were sold up front, and not "the odyssey of Cooper returning in episode 4 and solving another case".

Well yeah. I think it'll be like those doctor who stories where the doctor isn't himself until right near the end and once he is restored he handles things with ease and style.

 

[Net_Wrecker]

I maintain that the closeup of Cooper looking at Truman under the flickering light in the morgue is one of the strangest shots in the OG run. Twin Peaks was weird from the beginning. Then it added the surreal. Then it added the nightmarish. Then it added some clowns. Then it added the crazy.

 

[plagiarize]

I maintain that the closeup of Cooper looking at Truman under the flickering light in the morgue is one of the strangest shots in the OG run. Twin Peaks was weird from the beginning. Then it added the surreal. Then it added the nightmarish. Then it added some clowns. Then it added the crazy.

That shot of Sarah Palmer screaming while Bob is reflected in the mirror with the audio design... yeah.

 

[The Elite]

Well yeah. I think it'll be like those doctor who stories where the doctor isn't himself until right near the end and once he is restored he handles things with ease and style.

Like a fresh regeneration episode where all his companions have to do everything for him because he's completely out of it.

 

[Flipyap]

Wasn't the French lady scene an equivalent of the Fire Walk With Me scene with the dancing lady?

Wasn't it all a hidden message for Albert?

I doubt it, but it did sound like another strange callback to Lil.

Très bon

Tree chic!

About the only part of the most recent episode I found tiresome was the Jacoby skit. They're practically recycling footage of him and Nadine in those.

They're literally recycling footage. The same episode of Dr. Amp's show, the 119 scene and Cadie-Sandie-Mandie's "debut" appeared in multiple parts and it always makes the show look really sloppy and it might actually bother me more than the questionable special effects.

 

[Blader]

I think we'll have Coop back to normal going into the finale, but I don't see the change happening until the end of ep. 15 or 16.

Either Dougie-Coop is going to wake up on Oct. 2 (which I imagine will be happening in the next 1-3 episodes) and then leave Vegas for Twin Peaks of his own volition, or Gordon and Albert, based off Diane's texts, we'll head to Vegas next and encounter Dougie-Coop themselves, which may trigger his reawakening.

 

[PolishQ]

I hope people have come to grips with Cooper not coming back until the end of Episode 18. After all, it was billed as "the odyssey of Cooper's return to TP" (hatchet job paraphrasing). That's what we were sold up front, and not "the odyssey of Cooper returning in episode 4 and solving another case". I firmly believe now that Dougie is here to stay til the (near) end, and I'm quite fine with that. Even as Dougie, Cooper is making people's lives better and bringing optimism into the world.

I think it'll be at least a LITTLE before that. We've already seen "real" Cooper meeting with the Giant, which most likely takes place towards the end of the series, and then Cooper needs to take what he learns there and use that information to set things right.

I saw a theory on Facebook that the two outlets in Part 3 are actually referring to episode numbers, like Cooper originally was going to emerge in Part 3 but instead went through the Part 15 outlet, haha. In any case, I'm expecting it to happen somewhere in the 15-17 range.

 

[Levito]

Well, about that....
http://www.lostinthemovies.com/2014/11/twin-peaks-on-internetin-1990-alttvtwin.html

If you haven't read these before, have fun!

Gosh that's wild. Thanks for sharing.

 

[Dusk Golem]

Also while I'm reflecting on the original series, honest opinion I don't think there's been anything that's gotten to levels of James subplot once he leaves Twin Peaks or the Miss Twin Peaks Beauty Pageant stuff from the original series (I never see people complain about this plotline, but in my opinion this whole deal is one of the most boring things in the original series). I can't quite say why but the drawn out scenes in Season 3 feel like nothing to me with how drawn out Jame's subplot in the original and the Miss Twin Peaks stuff felt to me in the original series.

 

[Blader]

Also while I'm reflecting on the original series, honest opinion I don't think there's been anything that's gotten to levels of James subplot once he leaves Twin Peaks or the Miss Twin Peaks Beauty Pageant stuff from the original series (I never see people complain about this plotline, but in my opinion this whole deal is one of the most boring things in the original series). I can't quite say why but the drawn out scenes in Season 3 feel like nothing to me with how drawn out Jame's subplot in the original and the Miss Twin Peaks stuff felt to me in the original series.

The worst thing in S2 for me is the subplot with the mayor, his brother, and the woman they were fighting over. Made absolutely no sense to me why these nobodies were sprung out of nowhere and suddenly given such prominence in the episode literally after Leland's death (and at his funeral!). At least with the James and beauty pageant stories we're following characters we're actually familiar with.

 

[Dusk Golem]

The worst thing in S2 for me is the subplot with the mayor, his brother, and the woman they were fighting over. Made absolutely no sense to me why these nobodies were sprung out of nowhere and suddenly given such prominence in the episode literally after Leland's death (and at his funeral!). At least with the James and beauty pageant stories we're following characters we're actually familiar with.

I include the mayor stuff with the beauty pageant plotline since ultimately the broad with the mayor is getting with him so she can be elected Miss Twin Peaks. God I hated that whole plotline.

 

[GurgleBot20]

I include the mayor stuff with the beauty pageant plotline since ultimately the broad with the mayor is getting with him so she can be elected Miss Twin Peaks. God I hated that whole plotline.

As an aside, I found it odd that we were supposed to find it scummy that the Mayor was going to give the award to his mistress, but we should be fine that Norma would give it to her sister?

 

[Dusk Golem]

As an aside, I found it odd that we were supposed to find it scummy that the Mayor was going to give the award to his mistress, but we should be fine that Norma would give it to her sister?

To be honest Annie rubs me in a few wrong ways in the original series. The show treats her like this symbol of purity and goodness and Cooper falls for her because she's a bit quirky but comes out of nowhere and then becomes this important plot point which we are given no immediate flaws too. And then everything to do with Annie is good because she's good, including what you're mentioning that Norma is bending the rules but is in the right because she's being selfless and it's for Annie who the show makes sure to quickly establish is good. She attempted suicide but that makes her someone who needs to be helped, and Cooper loves helping people.

I think the best thing that came from the Annie plotline was once Lynch got a hold of it, the Annie stuff in the Black Lodge is fascinating and I appreciate bringing up a plot point the whole series somewhat had put in the background for the longest time where Cooper's relationship he had with Windom Earle's wife, Caroline, and of course her death and his failure to protect her, are something that sticks with Cooper. Preying into Cooper's love issues and maybe associating Annie with Caroline which is why he fell quickly for her rather than for her own merits, and after facing this dark truth in the lodge with Annie and Caroline switching places, Cooper seeing both dead and that he's associating Annie with Caroline, Cooper begins to feel weakness which is why he ultimately isn't able to overcome his shadow-

You know what, as I'm typing this I'm starting to think it might be Janey-E that brings Cooper back. The reason he lost to his doppelganger in the first place was because of his love life and him having to face Caroline, Annie, and himself and the darker sides of himself from that, which is why he begins to run from his doppelganger and succumb to it. Since that's the darkness in him that lead to Cooper being overpowered by Mr. C in the first place, then wouldn't it make sense that'd be what makes him come back is to face those darker feelings and uncertainties Cooper has about his love life? And the series is setting it up that Janey-E and Cooper are falling in love, but then him falling in love is similar to how he and Caroline fell in love, she's not his wife and someone else's and he's taking this other person's place which doesn't sit right with him. I hadn't really thought about any of this until right now, but that was kind of Cooper's biggest 'sin' in the original series, it's what lead to Cooper ultimately being overcome by his own shadow, and now in the new season he's in a very similar position in forming a relationship with someone else's wife. Huh...

 

[stuminus3]

Original series discussion.

Good write-up, I agree. An interesting thing about Ep 3 and Ep 14 though, although they're two of the most important episodes of the show it could be argued that they're both pivots to people giving up on the show ("this is too weird", "oh now the mystery is solved") although now they're essential. Time will definitely offer a different perspective on Season 3 I'm sure!

The weirdness is right below the surface and you do get a glimpse, even if just a glimpse.

I think a lot of that had to do with the setting of Twin Peaks itself. A wonderful location for a murder mystery.

I maintain that the closeup of Cooper looking at Truman under the flickering light in the morgue is one of the strangest shots in the OG run.

Yeah, about that...

“Hawk, electricity is humming. You hear it in the mountains and rivers. You see it dance among the seas and stars and glowing around the moon. But in these days, the glow is dying. What will be in the darkness that remains?"

 

[Levito]

Most of the post Leland death stuff in season 2 is borderline unwatchable. The final episode saved the show. I honestly don't even care for Windem Earl that much.

 

[SomTervo]

Nailed it, Dusk Golem.

I really don't consider myself a hardcore Twin Peaks fan, but I've been thoroughly enjoying S3.

Even taken as vignettes, I'm enjoying these disparate and seemingly disconnected scenes far more than the dredges of S2.

I guess it helps that I didn't really have high expectations that I'd dig Twin Peaks S3. I've been pleasantly surprised if anything.

Exactly same here.

Like, I enjoyed episode 8 and I enjoyed this last episode (12?).

When it pushes things along, it pushes things along. But it doesn't always need to or want to do that.

The show just takes its time meticulously creating its "moving painting" (Lynch's phrase and goal in film making).

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[Arkanius]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBIOAR32qBs

Found this on Reddit.
All of the Blue Rose scenes combined from all runs

 

[Spoo]

I don't think I'm a hardcore fan -- I really like Twin Peaks but I didn't start watching it until this year -- and am loving this season, warts and all. Alas, hopefully one day my plebe mind will finally catch up to yours and realize the truth!


(It's fine to not like this season -- it's a weird, divisive show that tests viewers' patience in such a way at times that it can seem like Lynch and Frost are daring you to keep watching -- but it's pretty obnoxious and shitty to act like you're above it at all just because you don't like it, and that the only reason anyone would like this season is because they're some hardcore Lynch nut who has deluded themselves into liking anything that has his or TP's name slapped on it.)

I've seen a lot of Lynch. Some of it's good, some bad -- it's always uneven, and sure, there's some kind of strange value in Lynch's kind of uneven, more experimental presentations. I had hoped that S3 of TP would show a sort of maturing of him as a storyteller. That the floor could be moved up a bit, and that we'd never have moments where we straight fell through it. The first episodes really, really *nailed* a lot of that promise. I figured, early on, it'd likely be a treasure trove of pure Lynch. Not so much anymore.

They just sort of went a step too far with being meandering and dull. They dared me to watch paint dry, and I (finally) declined. I don't doubt at all that there are people who wouldn't consider themselves a Lynch nut and are enjoying their time with this show, but I do think they'd have to be a little nutty to do so Most of the redeeming quality of the show, for me, have been things that are distinctly Lynch; it's just a lot of the bad comes from that same source. So if you're not a Lynch nut and love what you're seeing, that's surprising, but admittedly not impossible.

And anyway, it's just a prediction I have that people will end up feeling like S3 was a failure to launch. Maybe I'll be completely wrong and it will be considered not only the best season of TP, but the best thing Lynch has done period.

It'll still end up being 10000x better than HBO's Confederate.

 

[thequestion]

First half of the episode was good, the last half was kind of a drag. I was hoping by now Dale Cooper would of rejoined the blue rose team, but it's starting to look like mr. Jackpots is here to stay.

And yes, Jack Nance is one of the best and is dearly missed. Harry Truman as well. The way they keep bringing him up, I'm hoping for a surprise cameo. Sad.

Still loving the show.