Twitter Death Watch |OT| How long until the bird dies?

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strange headache

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akimbo009 said:
Tech isn't just social media... And if you basically are saying what I say doesn't matter which you are we're back at the beginning of the moderation guidance.

Anyway - pile on as needed, I'll come back around for the other laughs instead of this particular debate which is off topic.
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You basically called for moderation of opinions that you don't like.
Which, quite ironically, is Twitter's problem to begin with.
 
diffusionx

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bender said:
Hindsight, experience, and wisdom help you see things differently. Given the chance at a do-over, I'd certainly would have made different choices.
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Yea but you don’t get a do-over. You made the best decision you could with the info you had at the time.

I spent most of my 20s at home studying for actuarial exams and paying off loans while my friends were blowing money on travel and clubs. Do I regret not traveling as much and not going to clubs? Not one bit. I know why I made the decisions I made and it’s fine.
 
Faust

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akimbo009 said:
I am asserting here because I am in this industry, got vetted by evilore, and seeing folks reference a single TikTok for all their knowledge around the tech industry and how folks work in this space is frustrating. There are a number of others who are in this space and telling what seems to be a resistance to listening or tying to understand what is actually happening (and why Musk's approach here is totally insane).

So yeah.. maybe some moderation is needed here but seems we need to move on the topic at hand instead of bashing tech workers.
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None of that gives you the right to demand people stop talking. Let people discuss and, if they are wrong, point out where and why with proper examples.

This is a discussion forum, not an echo chamber.
 
Toons

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akimbo009 said:
Tech isn't just social media... And if you basically are saying what I say doesn't matter which you are we're back at the beginning of the moderation guidance.

Anyway - pile on as needed, I'll come back around for the other laughs instead of this particular debate which is off topic.
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You're not wrong. But these days we have folks thinking they know health care better than health care workers and climatology better than climatologists. So it doesn't surprise me that some think they know tech Industry culture better than the folks who work in that tech industry.

At the very least, regardless, the results of this whole thing will be clear and undeniable soon enough. Whether he succeeds or fails will be very clear to see from all sides in due time.
 
Maiden Voyage

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I was curious how many people have voted on the Elon poll vs follower count.

13.6M votes (19-20 hours) v 117M followers

I don’t know if that’s a good or bad thing. Just an interesting data point on follower mobilization.
 
pramod

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ReBurn said:
The H1B belongs to the worker, not the company. An H1B holder can change jobs as long as their new job is within the scope of their visa and their new employer will sponsor them. If they're good at what they do they tend to make as much as everyone else because they can and do leave.

Often a portion of an H1B holder's total compensation is the money their employer pays in legal fees on their behalf since a lot of those folks ultimately are seeking a green card and can't afford the legal fees themselves. There's also visa rules that limit their ability to accept different or more senior roles as role changes can affect their immigration status. I've had people on H1B ask me to not promote them because they were afraid of what it would do to their immigration status. I have a guy now who wants to be a manager but didn't accept the job because he didn't want the title change to affect his visa renewal and green card application.

But yeah, every employer just uses them for slave labor. That's the whole story.
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Youre not getting it. If you lose your job while on a H1b you only have a few weeks to find a new one until you are out of status. Once you are out of status you are illegally in the country. Which will affect your chance of ever getting a green card.

Finding a new job in a few weeks is hairy enough when times are good, but in this economy?
 
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ReBurn

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pramod said:
Youre not getting it. If you lose your job while on a H1b you only have a few weeks to find a new one until you are out of status. Once you are out of status you are illegally in the country. Which will affect your chance of ever getting a green card.

Finding a new job in a few weeks is hairy enough when times are good, but in this economy?
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I get it just fine. I've employed H1B workers for more than 15 years. The conversation was about employers using H1B workers as slaves, which I took offense to because generally it's just not true.

When people apply for a H1B visa they know the risks that are associated with the immigration status the visa provides. If they lose sponsorship and don't find another job then they have to leave the country. Their employer doesn't make them vulnerable in this regard, the economy and their capability does. That's a risk they take when they decide to apply for the visa. Having to go back home isn't their desired outcome, sure. But it's a predictable and possible one.
 
strange headache

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Toons said:
You're not wrong. But these days we have folks thinking they know health care better than health care workers and climatology better than climatologists. So it doesn't surprise me that some think they know tech Industry culture better than the folks who work in that tech industry.
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The issue is far more complex than just tech workers being laid off. Some core aspects cannot be touched upon, which makes discussion difficult for those who want to see the broader picture. Merely working in tech is hardly sufficient expertise to rely on authoritative arguments. Even if that would be the case, what makes you think that your opinion is worth more than that of a successful entrepreneur who managed multiple companies to great success in some of the most challenging industries, including space exploration.

Maiden Voyage said:
I was curious how many people have voted on the Elon poll vs follower count.

13.6M votes (19-20 hours) v 117M followers

I don’t know if that’s a good or bad thing. Just an interesting data point on follower mobilization.
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I've got the feeling that the poll is a huge honeypot in order to divulge bot activity to the public:



The opinion gate-keepers are seething because he's exposing their fake social media presence.
 
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Maiden Voyage said:
Elon knows how to put on one hell of a show.
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Come On Wtf GIF by Saturday Night Live
 
Toons

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strange headache said:
The issue is far more complex than just tech workers being laid off. Some core aspects cannot be touched upon, which makes discussion difficult for those who want to see the broader picture. Merely working in tech is hardly sufficient expertise to rely on authoritative arguments. Even if that would be the case, what makes you think that your opinion is worth more than that of a successful entrepreneur who managed multiple companies to great success in some of the most challenging industries, including space exploration.
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Managing a tech or tech based business and actually being at the computers, coding the stuff and recording the data are wildly different things. Theres no question in my mind Musk knows how to make money. Theres also no question in my mind he doesn't know how to run something like Twitter. He's showing it to us all publicly that he doesnt.
 
ReBurn

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strange headache said:
The issue is far more complex than just tech workers being laid off. Some core aspects cannot be touched upon, which makes discussion difficult for those who want to see the broader picture. Merely working in tech is hardly sufficient expertise to rely on authoritative arguments. Even if that would be the case, what makes you think that your opinion is worth more than that of a successful entrepreneur who managed multiple companies to great success in some of the most challenging industries, including space exploration.



I've got the feeling that the poll is a huge honeypot in order to divulge bot activity to the public:



The opinion gate-keepers are seething because he's exposing their fake social media presence.
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The issue isn't really that complex. In regard to Twitter there's an ADHD-riddled megalomaniac running the company that doesn't understand his product. He's trying to treat a people problem an engineering problem and he's out of his depth. Twitter doesn't make anything and he makes things.

In regard to the company he bought, it was definitely bloated with too many people for what it does and it is quite representative of the software development and engineering job market in the US. Companies have been hiring and hoarding tech employees since covid started in a bubble fueled by what was felt as a need to adapt to a changing world. The tech job bubble is bursting ad a result of global economic factors and Twitter is the poster child of it.

Now that we don't talk about covid any more, and now that free government money has dried up for people who (because of paid influencers who get money from corporations to make propaganda videos) thought that the free money meant they would get to choose how and when and whether to work on their own terms forever like their favorite tiktokers, we are facing global crises defined by rampant inflation (from paying people trillions to sit at home and do nothing) and commodity price hikes from reduced production capacity in key sectors like energy due to war and lack of demand. People went from having the government paying their bills to having the money they have being worth 10-15% less in a year. So people stop buying, companies stop advertising, companies don't sell as much, people get fired.

Very little complexity in what happened at Twitter or any of these companies.
 
strange headache

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ReBurn said:
The issue isn't really that complex. In regard to Twitter there's an ADHD-riddled megalomaniac running the company that doesn't understand his product. He's trying to treat a people problem an engineering problem and he's out of his depth. Twitter doesn't make anything and he makes things.

In regard to the company he bought, it was definitely bloated with too many people for what it does and it is quite representative of the software development and engineering job market in the US. Companies have been hiring and hoarding tech employees since covid started in a bubble fueled by what was felt as a need to adapt to a changing world. The tech job bubble is bursting ad a result of global economic factors and Twitter is the poster child of it.

Now that we don't talk about covid any more, and now that free government money has dried up for people who (because of paid influencers who get money from corporations to make propaganda videos) thought that the free money meant they would get to choose how and when and whether to work on their own terms forever like their favorite tiktokers, we are facing global crises defined by rampant inflation (from paying people trillions to sit at home and do nothing) and commodity price hikes from reduced production capacity in key sectors like energy due to war and lack of demand. People went from having the government paying their bills to having the money they have being worth 10-15% less in a year. So people stop buying, companies stop advertising, companies don't sell as much, people get fired.

Very little complexity in what happened at Twitter or any of these companies.
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Yeah yeah we get it, Musk is a big meany poopy head.
I'd rather watch Tokyo Drift in 49 tweets than wade through this reductive diatribe. Thanks Elon!
 
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RoadHazard

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StreetsofBeige said:
To be fair, other departments can be shit too.

I do finance. My job relies on good data. If IT/tech dept can t load the data correctly my job gets affected too. I can say the same... how hard can it be to load and churn out data?

The worst part is the dept doesn't even check their work to see if it's correct. Most of the time they only correct it if one of us notices junk data like something is wrong or some reason it's spitting out all zeros. So the dept goes on auto-pilot until someone brings it up.

And then when we tell them there's a problem.... "Can you guys submit a ticket?". Ok fine, here's your IT ticket. Then sometimes they'll respond back saying they fixed it and close the ticket. I check and it's still wrong. So again it shows they didn't even check or do the work.

Then when I say it's still wrong, they'll come back and say can you reissue a new ticket because the old one is closed.

Hey, no skin off my back really. If someone says what's up I just say the system is wrong and I'm waiting for IT to fix it again, taking forever and having me redo a ticket. If it gets bad, we just copy their department director on he email trail.
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All of that goes two ways, believe me, lol. Which is perhaps exactly what you're saying.
 
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