Get off your high horse. What you want is rule by whichever side ignores the most rules.
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TX State Senator leads 11 hour filibuster that successfully beats anti-abortion bill
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Get off your high horse. What you want is rule by whichever side ignores the most rules.
that's 3:03pm in real america time
This is a dumb strawman. Protesters are usually victims of violence, not perpetrators of it.
Angry Fork
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If their rights are on the line and their reasoning is valid? Fuck yes.
perfectchaos007
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The "We're not waiting till 2014" chants are probably scoffed at by Rick Perry. He is a pro at being re-elected. If he runs again, he'll probably win.
Velcro Fly
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But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security
I am Michael Bolton
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Honestly, he's not worth responding too. He's pretty much admitted that he only comes into these types of threads to offer up devils advocate stances. I learned my lesson awhile ago to simply not get into it with him.
Ah yeah, I thought that that was the case, but I was confused by the earlier motion to table and thought that the motion to call the previous question at that time counted as the vote to table, but I realize now (after your post) that I counted killing the appeal twice (the second vote was on the motion to table, that was called to a vote by the previous motion). Thanks
http://www.capitol.state.tx.us/BillLookup/History.aspx?LegSess=831&Bill=SB5
I guess the voting records changed again and now show the vote took place on 6/25.
How can that be legal? Shouldn't there be records of all the times it was edited to change the dates??
I guess the voting records changed again and now show the vote took place on 6/25.
How can that be legal? Shouldn't there be records of all the times it was edited to change the dates??
was reported like half an hour ago it said 25.
ClassyPenguin
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Devil's advocates and contrarians for contrarian's sake are trolls.
There's no times at all either. Just dates.
There's this stream of people IN the capitol building
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/chris...gn=t.co&utm_source=10021075&utm_medium=social
Yeah but it was then changed to 6/26.
Now it's back to 6/25.
https://twitter.com/amandad214/status/349766503505223680/photo/1
No idea if this twitter picture is legit etc.,
Black Mamba
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NBC, Guardian, and Fort Star Telegram (texas paper) dispute republican claim of passage. Only AP is standing with them.
GOP don't give a fuck. This will have to go to court, now.
GOP don't give a fuck. This will have to go to court, now.
speculawyer
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Careful what you wish for, Texas . . . I see a rise in illegal aliens being forced to go through with pregnancies.
Let's Bleeding Kansas this shit. America, love it or move here (and bring guns)
I am Michael Bolton
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I didn't want to say it but basically. There's no use in debating or conversing with these folks. They get their rocks off by folks responding in frustration or being affected by their posts.
Black Mamba
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Devolution
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What an abortion of government.
eBay Huckster
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Meanwhile, from the Texas House (district 96, to be exact)...
No strawman - that's exactly what the poster was arguing for. Not getting our way? Scream and kick and shut down the process.
I think GAF has made the mistake (along with most everyone watching that stream) of thinking that the people in the gallery are representative of the People of Texas as a whole. I am pretty sure that they are not, and instead are just the more motivated folks on this issue. If the vote did occur after midnight it will be because of external interference, not the will of the people of Texas, and the bill will come back either in another special legislative session or during the next proper one.
I think GAF has made the mistake (along with most everyone watching that stream) of thinking that the people in the gallery are representative of the People of Texas as a whole. I am pretty sure that they are not, and instead are just the more motivated folks on this issue. If the vote did occur after midnight it will be because of external interference, not the will of the people of Texas, and the bill will come back either in another special legislative session or during the next proper one.
Nope -- just scream.
Watson on stream right now
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/chris...gn=t.co&utm_source=10021075&utm_medium=social
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/chris...gn=t.co&utm_source=10021075&utm_medium=social
I have no idea if this is legitimate, supposedly from @ProgressTX :
Also, that's not the official document, it comes a bit later anyways.
We need to jump down the throats of politicians who use the word terrorist to describe their political enemies. Maybe drop them into the middle of Taliban country so they can meet some real ones.
Angry Fork
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Like I said before, this is taking away rights from women, will create poverty, and is theocratic. You're goddamned right they should shut down the process. And it's on you to explain why they shouldn't.
Angelus Errare
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Yeah, after rereading it, it's clear that the 80% stat is not related to the previous sentence about the bill not having popular support. For whatever reason I thought the 80% was in relation to the bill's overall support, so when someone mentioned Texas supported the bill overall and I said I thought it was the opposite and tried to find that post, I misread it again.
But the rules weren't being followed so who else should stand up if the Republican's were ignoring the rules but the people of the state?
I would agree if everything was being followed and the rules were being upheld that no outside interference should occur.
But when you have rules not being followed then I can't agree with you. Where is the accountability of the people in power if they can ignore the rules and then its no longer a democracy.
If tyrants are stealing away due process from the people by ignoring the rules that they themselves have established and the rest of us have played by, kicking and screaming is the bare minimum that a vigilant citizenship must pursue.
Maybe guns from the militia should've been involved to overthrow the tyrants, but that's not really how the blue team rolls.
Considering this would raise gun sales from alarmists and nuts, I'm sure they'll be all for it.
eBay Huckster
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A majority is still against the bill according to the same poll - question 10 indicates 51% in opposition to 42% in favour.
cr_blah_blah
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I have no idea if this is legitimate, supposedly from @ProgressTX :
http://instagram.com/p/bAvU9RMn7O/
that photo is the same
Black Mamba
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Did you watch what happened? The GOP intentionally ignored all the rules, even when directed towards them, to UNETHICALLY shut down the filibuster.
She violated no rule the 3rd time. She did not violate 3 germaneness rules even if she had, only 2. They took the floor away from Watson when it was his to allow a motion to table out of order. They literally cut off the mikes of the Democrats to prevent them from making a motion or inquiry.
The GOP fucking broke every rule in their books for how to proceed in order to get a vote on this bill. The gallery recognized this and tried their best to stop the GOP from making a mockery of the process.
But you want to blame them? Fuck that bullshit. The Republicans acted like fucking fascists to pass their fascist policies.
That's not even the problem. The senate literally broke their own rules, and acknowledged it, but didn't care and just went on as if nothing happened.
EDIT: Obviously they are problems, just not why acting out like that was justified.
I am Michael Bolton
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Don't waste your energy. He's a troll. It's not worth it.
It's baffling to me that you keep posting this when it's been pointed out repeatedly in this thread that a majority of Texans don't support the passing of this bill in this session (and many don't want it passed at all).
Unknown Soldier
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Yeah, watching these people streaming using their phones is pretty amazing. I really should look into installing one of those live streaming apps on my phone, in case I ever end up somewhere where I witness a defining moment in history and need to stream it to the world.
Guess they'll rewrite anything and anything if needed. Oh well.
When the process is illegal, deaf, and malevolent? Abso-fucking-lutely.
I am Michael Bolton
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How you both haven't figured out Enron is a troll by now is beyond me. Unless you enjoy debating for the hell of debate, you're wasting your time and energy.
They've been recorded doing it. Their were cameras filming and recording them. Nigh on 200k people live saw them do it. Surely, SURELY they can't get away with this?
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