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TX State Senator leads 11 hour filibuster that successfully beats anti-abortion bill
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Black Mamba
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He has to call another session. They need the other two bills, especially the transportation bill.
The question is if they will go for sb5 again and the answer is almost certainly yes. The real question is how much of a fight the Dems put up this time. In the end, they will lose.
It's nice that they delayed this for a day and in the process made the GOP look like both cartoon villains and fools at the same time and hopefully the optics hurt going forward, but they can't stop this bill, sadly.
I don't know about another special session, but Republicans have more than enough votes and they will most definitely want to go through with it again. It just won't be at the 11th hour of a special session this time.
Biggest-Geek-Ever
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Unknown Soldier
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Hardly. If anything, today was an example of how duly elected representatives of the people must be and sometimes (rarely) are held accountable to the will of their constituents.
This is not how democracy should be working, weird, arcane, anti-progressive rules were used today to achieve a worthy goal and I couldn't be happier, but at the same time, I wouldn't think it's a good day for democracy.
That being said, I always believed that democracy is a means to an end, not an end to itself, so fuck it.
Don't forget the combined efforts of Senators Kirk Watson and Royce West for their attempts to stall.
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/chris...n=t.co&utm_source=10021075&utm_medium=social
This is where the action is.
This is where the action is.
Black Mamba
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Don't forget the senator who came after attending the funeral of her father. By all means the Senate should have never voted and let her mourn, but there's no sympathy for a woman who lost her father, only the sympathy for those who won't get a chance to be born into soldiers in their wars.
Hehe, you know what, you're right. I agree with you on both counts.
Yeah. Victory was achieved solely due to strange technicalities in an already strange and somewhat rare process, and was also aided by disruption from the gallery. It was certainly entertaining though, lol
crackhead_bob
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wHAT would be the difference if this bill was passed at 11 as opposed to during the daytime? Is it about p.r.? Them not wanting to own up to it or something?
Black Mamba
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HOLD ON NOT OVER LOL
The GOP is so stupid. They will pass this eventually, why are they trying to make a scene?
The GOP is so stupid. They will pass this eventually, why are they trying to make a scene?
They don't like to lose.
Yeah, the whole thing was fucking crazy. From top to bottom. There were several times where the guillotine was about to fall, moments where the Republicans made sure to turn up the "cartoonishly evil" dial, and the dems somehow managed to get out of it everytime.
Imagine if democrats where this principled and competent on the federal level!
I can agree that the system with which they accomplished this was utterly bizzare and the whole process was anti-progressive. But the crowd was a sign of genuine democracy, which you don't see a lot in the west.
the reason why this vote was taken up so late at night is because it was being filibustered for 13 hours all the way up until the deadline for the session.
Officerrob
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They need to shut-up and live to fight another day
Give me a break. Pack it up you dumb fucks.
Yeah, you're right, I got carried away by the verdict, It was indeed a shameful display of democracy and I hope the people who perpetrated it suffer the consequences, it is indeed a win for Women's Rights and for that we should be happy. (now the SCOTUS ruling about the VRA, ughhh)
Oh come on.
Yeah, there was some real life last minute hanging-by-a-thread Phoenix Wright dodging.
I have a feeling Mrs Davis is going to get a lot of publicity from this:
Here she is, finally sitting down:
Officerrob
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About 11. The last two hours were a complete clusterfuck
Escape Goat
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The special session was announced weeks ago. as terrible as it is I dont think anyone would expect government to shut down whenever an official loses a family member. The real disservice was cramming the abortion bill in during the 11th hour in the first place.
perfectchaos007
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Yeah, it was a real life last minute hanging-by-a-thread Phoenix Wright dodging.
I have a feeling Mrs Davis is going to get a lot of publicity from this:
Here she is, sitting down:
I get a Hildog vibe from her
not psycho
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Is there any reason it is easier to pass in the special session? Like needing less votes, or some of the Democrats not being there who could change the result?
Unless they absolutely must pass it like this, and don't expect another special session, I think it is time for the GOP to admit defeat. If their goal was flying under the radar, that time has passed.
Unless they absolutely must pass it like this, and don't expect another special session, I think it is time for the GOP to admit defeat. If their goal was flying under the radar, that time has passed.
She pretty much stood for the past 2 hours too, you know, even with the chaos around her.
It must've been hard to stand there and do nothing while the clock ticked.
Maybe I missing something about it, I only read summary and snippets, not the full majority decision, but so far, it seem one of the craziest, most radical decisions the Supreme Court ever had.
Fucking terrible.
Brawndo Addict
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As you say, they've got a go-to excuse to call the second special session to pass the other bills. They have no reason to try to cram it down right now, they'll be able to run it through the next one. They've made themselves look so bad already, why make it worse?
She didn't sit down during that clusterfuck though.
And when people were cheering from the gallery, she had had her arm and finger raised and pointed up.
crackhead_bob
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Not to sound pessimistic, but what's the upside to all of this when in the end it is going to be passed anyway? I remember the March for Women's Lives back in spring of 2004. Impressive numbers, but Bush Jr. got elected anyways. I'm glad for the jubilation, but long term, is there any good news to all of this?
The way I see it, this will only be meaningful if it becomes akin to another Todd Akin moment.
The way I see it, this will only be meaningful if it becomes akin to another Todd Akin moment.
Media attention.
More attention, the harder it is to pass under the radar. And the more effort the Democrats will put in (they're politicians too, they have political motivations as well).
Pretty much the only weapon the common man has.
IrishNinja
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short term: message sent, backdoor abortion ban will be an uphill battle/war on women finally meeting aggression
long long term: nothing matters cause we're all gonna die anyway lolol (im assuming this is what you meant)
Escape Goat
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In an effort to use stealth to pass the bill they've pretty much made it impossible to ignore. I guess that can only help in stopping it in the future.
Also, davis should get a deal with Nike or Reebok. Or maybe Snickers. "Not going anywhere for awhile?"
Nothing. I removed my earlier post but I can't understand the strategy here. If they were going to run roughshod over the rules to ram this through, why bother waiting all night? They could have ruled on bogus points of order in the morning. Either accept defeat due to poor scheduling and just vote on it another day (I'm sure they will) or fight dirty, but you can't go half way
It isn't that radical. The formula being used to determine whether 9 states could be freed from having the Federal Government review their election laws was still based upon data from 1972, and that was the part that the SC struck down.
Black Mamba
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It is. It completely contradicts their previous precedence regarding other matters and how Congress interprets data. It is the most activist ruling I've ever seen from the SCOTUS...or at least can remember reading. As I said in poligaf, the next time some conservative tells you about activist judges, point them to this ruling. It tops them all.
the GOP is a party in disarray. They don't know how to properly function. By this I mean they have no understanding of optics among a lot of other things. They want this bill so they will push for it now even if it will inevitably pass and they look like fools now and jeopardize their future in the chamber.
They don't seem to have the capacity to understand how to play the game. They just play like a 3 year old who wants to do what it wants.
crackhead_bob
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But what difference does it make when mandatory ultrasound bills are being passed in the light of day?
speculawyer
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Excuse me, that is not germane to the discussion
Have you ever lived in a place where your political views are in such a small minority that they have no hope of ever getting a fair hearing in the normal means of legislative process?
Because when you live in a place like that, this kind of thing is all you get to remind you that there's hope at all.
The GOP has a majority, if they want to pass that bill they will.
However, it is not a popular measure, the goal of the filibuster was to draw attention to it, and it was more successful at that than anyone could've have ever imagined.
This is of course mostly thanks to the GOP.
Is there a thread for this alone as well or should I dive into Poligaf?
Devolution
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National exposure to how women's rights really are under siege. No more pretending they aren't.
Black Mamba
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And the 2006 Congress evaluated that formula against recent data and determined it should still work.
SCOTUS has never, to my recollection, ever told Congress its interpretation of data is wrong. They have gone out of their way in numerous cases to say they intentionally defer to Congress on matters of fact finding. Always. Until yesterday.
Why didn't they re-classify marijuana from a schedule 1 drug in Raich when the evidence is clearly on that side? Oh right, SCOTUS defers to Congress.
The argument that formula isn't relevant today may be correct, but the Supreme Court has never and should never have the power to make that determination. This was a gross overreach of power the Court made. Activist by far.
Devolution
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Hmm...
He didn't get the news it was aborted?
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