Stewart is gonna rue the fact that he isnt there to handle it.
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TX State Senator leads 11 hour filibuster that successfully beats anti-abortion bill
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Stewart is gonna rue the fact that he isnt there to handle it.
HP_Wuvcraft
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Eric Erikson: Just like a woman, never shutting up.
no, this is not a real quote. but you know he thought it.
Women are a joke to that guy.
no, this is not a real quote. but you know he thought it.
Women are a joke to that guy.
crackhead_bob
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But do you suppose this might empower more democrats to proudly support choice, much like most dems are no longer hesitant to support gay marriage?
How?
A Senator did a legitimate filibuster. Not a threat of one, not one where they're on a plane back to their home state while their filibuster is 'active', the senator actually stood for the time and read on-topic material into the filibuster.
The Senate wrote their rules with a democractic vote. Fuck her for doing what the rules allow, I guess? If you don't want a filibuster, you know it's possible for it to be removed by vote?
Is democracy not the will of the people?
The people there made it clear what their will was. Sure there may be others, but democracy requires participants.
No.
Good on her and good on Texas Democrats for showing some balls (I hope US Senate Democrats take note).
But fuck those rules.
Again, I'm happy with the end result, but this is a fortunate outcome from a poorly functioning democracy.
Yep, this.
MaverickHunterX
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Hate to ask, but can someone sum up the last few hours? Some news is saying it was defeated, and some says GOP is trying to use a sort of loophole? What's going on, please?
crackhead_bob
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What is the possibility that this might start a rippling tide in other red states? North Dakota could have certainly benefitted from a moment like this.
Could it empower democratic politicians to more openly embrace prochoice positions instead of doing so with their heads stooped down in shame?
The Librarian
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Why?
Half and half
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That was impressive.
I wish I had something more substantial to say, but I'm at a loss for words.
Congrats and keep fighting.
I wish I had something more substantial to say, but I'm at a loss for words.
Congrats and keep fighting.
From a philosophical perspective, I think democracy needs to be clear, transparent and understandable, those rules are anything but, not to mention that they favor those who better lawyer them up, which is not what I think we should encourage.
From a practical perspective, filibuster can only be used to stop legislation, so in the long run, they tend to favor conservatives (who in the grand scheme of things want to keep things the way they are), so as a progressive I oppose them.
Also, being on the losing side of such effort tend to erode people trust and belief in democracy, which is a bad thing.
I think there are better ways to protect the rights of the minority (in broad storkes, I think this is what a constitution should do).
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^^^ This guy declared the bill couldn't be signed in the presence of the Senate and as a result wasn't passed. I assume he meant time was up before it could happen.
MaverickHunterX
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Funny, I thought they said that they were trying to stop the filibuster...
The notion that a single person can stop a law with majority support from being voted in by talking until a certain deadline is dumb and, frankly, not very democratic at all.
You can see the genuine confusion of all non-US posters in this thread. The very concept of a filibuster (as we perceive it from this story) is ludicrous.
Outcome is great, process to the outcome is not.
Well they did try to stop it but after Senator Davis was ruled to have broken the rules of the 'filibuster thing' 3 times with about 1 hour and 3/4 remaining, a few other Senators stepped in with objections to try to delay the vote and the public gallery started making a huge racket with about 10-15 minutes to go and in the confusion the vote was almost reached but not quite in time.
Ludicrous Speed
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This was banning abortions after 20 weeks, or so the article says. What's the big deal? It's not outlawing abortions altogether. After 20 weeks it's a slippery slope since it's close to when a baby could be born and live. I dunno how I feel about that.
I'm about to get crucified I know.
I'm about to get crucified I know.
ambientmystic
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This. The fact that it has been abused by both parties in the past for their own means does not make it any better. Two wrongs don't make a right, it shouldn't have to be a viable tactic. Bills should be passed or shot down on their own merits.
Required clinics to become surgical centers. This would cut down the amount of clinics for the entire state of Texas from 42 to 5.
It would require the performing doctor to have the ability to admit a patient within 30 miles of a hospital. Go look how big Texas is, this would make reproductive care essentially unavailable to women in most of the rural area. It essentially bans abortion in western Texas.
It's one of those GOP "we're not completely banning abortion, but making it virtually unavailable. It's technically available" bullshit moves.
Unconditional
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It also effectively closed all but 5 abortion clinics in the state of Texas and that's the main issue with this.
The Librarian
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I like the concept but the execution in Texas may not be the best thing. Laws differ from state to state. That in and of itself is not a sign of bad democracy, just different rules. I like the concept of a filibuster but it may not be executed the best in this case.
Time to catch up for you. That literally has almost nothing to do with why people are upset at the bill.
MaverickHunterX
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Ahh.. Thanks
Zoe
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Rick Perry needs to call a new 30-day special session.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
Also most of the 37 clinics that would have been closed are in rural areas. Rural areas hours away from a hospital. Rural areas where there are poor people who use the clinics for prenatal care because they can't afford/don't have access to much else. As much as this is being described as an attack on women, it is also an attack on the poor.
Zoe
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They have to call another session because of the other bills that got blocked by the filibuster.
BertramCooper
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Perry seems to take pleasure in trolling progressives. Also, he's a fucking idiot.
What about one person being able to talk indefinitely and block a bill with majority support do you like on a conceptual level?
Sure,
And Perry called a special session which are supposed to be reserved for critical bills (budget concerns, infrastructure, etc) in order to ram through another one of these bills. The special session strips the Senate of many of its rules to attempt to force a vote without adequate debate and by stripping the minorities few powers away other than filibuster.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
I think, no I know that his most loyal supporters are even more conservative than he is. He is appealing to who pays for his campaigns. The irony is that the more of a hardline stance he keeps taking on issues the less likely he will ever become president, which is his dream.
The Librarian
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I never said that, but they can't block it indefinitely if we're talking about the US Senate and not Texas.
ComputerMKII
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I just woke up, did something happen?
Jake Tower
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I do not normally comment on "political" topics, but I cannot remain silent on this one any longer; I expect to be condemned by most of the NeoGAF community.
The American Holocaust must be stopped.
The American Holocaust must be stopped.
BertramCooper
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I think it's like New York - four-year terms, no term limits.
Just woke up with the DOMA jitters. What an amazing thing to see.
6 million people were slaughtered during the Holocaust. Millions more were tortured through concentration camps. They were separated from their families, thrown into ghettos, stabbed, shot, gassed, starved, experimented on...
That has no correlation or relevance to a woman's terminating or not terminating a zygote. What a slap in the face to the victims of the Holocaust.
6 million people were slaughtered during the Holocaust. Millions more were tortured through concentration camps. They were separated from their families, thrown into ghettos, stabbed, shot, gassed, starved, experimented on...
That has no correlation or relevance to a woman's terminating or not terminating a zygote. What a slap in the face to the victims of the Holocaust.
dskillzhtown
keep your strippers out of my American football
No term limits. Democrats tried to get a bill passed in the regular session this year. It died a pretty quick death.
empty vessel
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There is no such thing. Only women (often in conjunction with men) making deciosions about their own bodies.
The Republicans had an special session of 30 days entirely devoted to the debate of this bill and they couldn't get it passed. It took more than just a single filibuster, though this filibuster was important.
Woody Invincible
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By holocaust, are you referring to aborted fetuses?
BertramCooper
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Please elaborate.
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