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UFC 117 - Anderson Silva vs. Chael Sonnen - LIVE on PPV 8/7 - 7pm PT/10pm ET

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AstroLad

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Fio said:
Lame post fight press conference. Someone there should have called Sonnen out for his 'fake tapping'. Pretending he didn't tap was pathetic. But Sonnen still got some respect from me, he's a fighter, differently than Fitch, who singlehandedly represents all that this sport doesn't need. I practice grappling, I'm actually one of these few people who watches and enjoys pure grappling tournaments, but it's infuriating seeing Fitch fighting, he just can't finish at all, he doesn't look for submission or to gnp his opponent, he doesn't want to do anything except pinning his opponent down, the card was just incredible except by his lame performance, again.
yeah whatever he dominated alves and was working the entire fight. as far as finishing why don't you check on the last time your boy chael finished someone. more to the sport than one-shot kos and inverse triangles. just stick to highlights as you don't seem to have much patience for anything else
 
Zeliard said:
Man.

It better be Belfort next, wtf. Dude's been waiting in the wings since September.
No way man, Chael earned 1,000,000 points for another shot tonight. I've always been very much looking forward to see Vitor fight Anderson, but now is not the time to let Anderson run away from Chael Sonnen. We all saw him get his ass kicked tonight, excuses or not.
 

Shaheed79

dabbled in the jelly
Sonnen bitch ass just lost me 400 bucks! He had 1 minute left of a FIVE ROUND title fight with ANDERSON SILVA where he WON 4 ROUNDS and was WINNING the 5TH and then taps to a triangle with ONE MINUTE LEFT?!

"FORREST WHAT THE F*CK?"

I was already spending my winnings when his bitch ass tapped. This is karma for ever thinking I could get a free pay day just for "experiments sake".

I just spent the past hour explaining to my friend why I just lost him 200 bucks.
 
NinjaCodah said:
No way man, Chael earned 1,000,000 points for another shot tonight. I've always been very much looking forward to see Vitor fight Anderson, but now is not the time to let Anderson run away from Chael Sonnen. We all saw him get his ass kicked tonight, excuses or not.

Did we?
 
Just got back from watching the fight and I have to say this was one of the most entertaining cards ever. I think that Sonnen proved that Silva has some serious holes in his game but overall you have to give props to Silva on the win. He was continuously rocked in the face by Sonnen and still found a way to win. You have to give you props to him for that. There are so many fighters that would not have been able to last.
 

Zeliard

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NinjaCodah said:
No way man, Chael earned 1,000,000 points for another shot tonight. I've always been very much looking forward to see Vitor fight Anderson, but now is not the time to let Anderson run away from Chael Sonnen. We all saw him get his ass kicked tonight, excuses or not.

Eh. It wasn't a controversial fight, though, like Penn/Edgar and Shogun/Machida. Those two fights demanded instant rematches. This one doesn't really scream for one. Sonnen was taking it to Anderson but ended up losing cleanly. He had his shot and lost it. It's time for the next guy to step up.
 

Not a Jellyfish

but I am a sheep
Zeliard said:
Eh. It wasn't a controversial fight, though, like Penn/Edgar and Shogun/Machida. Those two fights demanded instant rematches. This one doesn't really scream for one. Sonnen was taking it to Anderson but ended up losing cleanly. He had his shot and lost it. It's time for the next guy to step up.

It was a close fight, closest Anderson has had in a long time and that warrants a rematch. I did not see Penn/Edgar as being controversial but more of it being just a razor close fight.
 

Barrage

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I withstood a loudmouth's chiirps for FOUR ROUNDS, then ran that motherfucker into the ground when Siilva got the win.

When I ran outside, I sprained both ankles. Who the fuck is karma supposed to be punishing here?
 

RiccochetJ

Gold Member
dem said:
Sonnen vs Belfort

though im pretty sure that ends with a Sonnen win

Isn't Belfort a walking injury? After his Franklin fight I thought he was supposed to be #1? But yes, Sonnen unless he get's caught by the fists of fury.
 

Fio

Member
AstroLad said:
yeah whatever he dominated alves and was working the entire fight. as far as finishing why don't you check on the last time your boy chael finished someone. more to the sport than one-shot kos and inverse triangles. just stick to highlights as you don't seem to have much patience for anything else

I don't like Sonnen, he loves stalling as well and he is a boring fighter, but he does try to gnp, Fitch doesn't, Fitch doesn't care about improving his position, submitting or gnp-ing, it's incredible how his fights are always the same shit.

The welterweight division is just fucked with the likes of Fitch, St. Pierre, Koscheck and now Shields being the dominant fighters.
 
Zeliard said:
Eh. It wasn't a controversial fight, though, like Penn/Edgar and Shogun/Machida. Those two fights demanded instant rematches. This one doesn't really scream for one. Sonnen was taking it to Anderson but ended up losing cleanly. He had his shot and lost it. It's time for the next guy to step up.
After a fight like this, I can see why Silva fans wouldn't want to see another fight...
 

Rur0ni

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samus i am said:
Just got back from watching the fight and I have to say this was one of the most entertaining cards ever. I think that Sonnen proved that Silva has some serious wholes in his game but overall you have to give props to Silva on the win. He was continuously rocked in the face by Sonnen and still found a way to win. You have to give you props to him for that. There are so many fighters that would not have been able to last.
Silva has a chin, combined with Sonnen's less than devastating strikes. It's not unsurprising he could weather the storm on his back for 5 rounds. He showed some good raw strength attempting to get up I think in the 3rd round. If he can stuff the takedowns of Sonnen in a rematch he'll finish him in the first or second round.

5 rounds is a long time to put on that kind of pressure if you don't outclass your opponent (such as GSP did to Hardy). Gives me doubts about Sonnen's ability to win a rematch if anything at all has woken up in Anderson. But, Sonnen may grind through the flashy striking and get Silva on the ground again and we'll have a repeat, with a sub finish by Silva or decision by Sonnen.

Immediate rematch? If Penn can have one, maybe so. Unfair to Belfort though. Sonnen could fight whoever is next, but there is no one as far as I know, Okami and Marquardt he already beat convincingly.

Looking forward to the next event. I think Penn is gonna bring the goods.
 
That was fucking impressive on both parts. The amount of ferocity shown by Sonnen against a dominant champion, followed by a classic example of maintaining composure under pressure from Silva was nothing short of amazing.
 
Man. Fuck. That fight was like beating off to some awesome porno with a super hot woman in it and then right when you're about to blow your load, she stands up and you see a dick hanging down. Fuck. So anticlimactic. And what's worse is I knew the dick was coming. I was sitting there the entire 5th round just waiting for Sonnen to somehow blow it. He must feel terrible, he was so close and he utterly dominated that fight. Would love to see a rematch.
 

Shaheed79

dabbled in the jelly
Barrage said:
I withstood a loudmouth's chiirps for FOUR ROUNDS, then ran that motherfucker into the ground when Siilva got the win.

When I ran outside, I sprained both ankles. Who the fuck is karma supposed to be punishing here?
Everyone today. That fight was CURSED! Son of a TIT!
 
Barrage said:
I withstood a loudmouth's chiirps for FOUR ROUNDS, then ran that motherfucker into the ground when Siilva got the win.

When I ran outside, I sprained both ankles. Who the fuck is karma supposed to be punishing here?

:lol
 

Zeliard

Member
Not a Jellyfish said:
It was a close fight, closest Anderson has had in a long time and that warrants a rematch. I did not see Penn/Edgar as being controversial but more of it being just a razor close fight.

There was a bit of controversy regarding that decision, especially after the metric stats showed that Penn had landed more shots. Not nearly as much controversy as Shogun/Machida, but it was there, and it's why the rematch was made.

I think Belfort deserves his shot before Sonnen gets a rematch. If nothing else, do Belfort/Sonnen and the winner gets Silva. Belfort's injury screwed things up but now both he and Silva are free, and it isn't really fair to Belfort to keep him on the sidelines when he's now healthy.
 
Bumblebeetuna said:
Man. Fuck. That fight was like beating off to some awesome porno with a super hot woman in it and then right when you're about to blow your load, she stands up and you see a dick hanging down. Fuck. So anticlimactic. And what's worse is I knew the dick was coming. I was sitting there the entire 5th round just waiting for Sonnen to somehow blow it. He must feel terrible, he was so close and he utterly dominated that fight. Would love to see a rematch.
LOL! Couldn't agree more! I must have repeated "watch out for that submission Chael" over 20 times in the last 3 rounds.
 

Biff

Member
Bumblebeetuna said:
And what's worse is I knew the dick was coming. I was sitting there the entire 5th round just waiting for Sonnen to somehow blow it. He must feel terrible, he was so close and he utterly dominated that fight. Would love to see a rematch.
In Sonnen's defence, he didn't blow it. Silva was positioning himself for the triangle even at the end of round 4 and most of round 5.

Silva was luring Sonnen into a false sense of security. He was waiting to time his attempt, and like a true BJJ black belt, he was successful.
 

RiccochetJ

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abstract alien said:
That was fucking impressive on both parts. The amount of ferocity shown by Sonnen against a dominant champion, followed by a classic example of maintaining composure under pressure from Silva was nothing short of amazing.
You and your accurate and intelligent analysis of the fight... GTFO. Gaf is arguing!
 

Zeliard

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NinjaCodah said:
After a fight like this, I can see why Silva fans wouldn't want to see another fight...

No, I just don't want it to be his next fight, because Vitor Belfort is the next contender.
 

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Barrage said:
I withstood a loudmouth's chiirps for FOUR ROUNDS, then ran that motherfucker into the ground when Siilva got the win.

When I ran outside, I sprained both ankles. Who the fuck is karma supposed to be punishing here?
Awesome sto-
Bumblebeetuna said:
Man. Fuck. That fight was like beating off to some awesome porno with a super hot woman in it and then right when you're about to blow your load, she stands up and you see a dick hanging down. Fuck. So anticlimactic. And what's worse is I knew the dick was coming. I was sitting there the entire 5th round just waiting for Sonnen to somehow blow it. He must feel terrible, he was so close and he utterly dominated that fight. Would love to see a rematch.
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RiccochetJ

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ChefRamsay said:
Silva was luring Sonnen into a false sense of security. He was waiting to time his attempt, and like a true BJJ black belt, he was successful.
No, he was trying to not be hit and his extensive training let him know that there was an opening for a triangle. Don't over think it. Great training and great reaction, definitely a champion even though I wanted him to lose.
 

-tetsuo-

Unlimited Capacity
Barrage said:
I withstood a loudmouth's chiirps for FOUR ROUNDS, then ran that motherfucker into the ground when Siilva got the win.

When I ran outside, I sprained both ankles. Who the fuck is karma supposed to be punishing here?


How do you even do this :lol
 

Zeke

Member
ChefRamsay said:
In Sonnen's defence, he didn't blow it. Silva was positioning himself for the triangle even at the end of round 4 and most of round 5.

Silva was luring Sonnen into a false sense of security. He was waiting to time his attempt, and like a true BJJ black belt, he was successful.
this is what I fucking love about BJJ
 

Biff

Member
RiccochetJ said:
No, he was trying to not be hit and his extensive training let him know that there was an opening for a triangle. Don't over think it. Great training and great reaction, definitely a champion even though I wanted him to lose.
I watched him reposition his hips and casually work his right foot onto Sonnen's left hip while keep his left leg wrapped around Sonnen.

It was planned. Jiu-jitsu 101.

I may only have 10 months of BJJ experience, but I can still spot a set-up when it's happening ;)
 
If there was a rematch what could Sonnen do any better? It seems to me like he gave absolutely 100% and still came up short. On the other hand, if Silva improves his take down defense I think he could make short work of Sonnen.
 

Zeliard

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He almost caught Sonnen a few times. Sonnen always leaves his head hanging free and unprotected when he's in his opponent's guard.

I wish Silva had ended it with that early unorthodox kimura. That was badass.
 
Zeliard said:
There was a bit of controversy regarding that decision, especially after the metric stats showed that Penn had landed more shots. Not nearly as much controversy as Shogun/Machida, but it was there, and it's why the rematch was made.

I think Belfort deserves his shot before Sonnen gets a rematch. If nothing else, do Belfort/Sonnen and the winner gets Silva. Belfort's injury screwed things up but now both he and Silva are free.
The thing is, everybody agrees that 9 out of 10 times Penn would destroy Edgar, and that Penn didn't seem himself that night, and that on top of that it was a close decision. Even the odds for Penn/Edgar2 are the same they were for the first fight. You wouldn't be able to say the same for a rematch between Anderson and Sonnen. Sonnen did more damage in that single fight than anybody silva fought in the UFC did combined. He was on his way to an easy victory, and if they fight again the odds will be a lot closer. That submission from Anderson doesn't undo the beating he received tonight.
 

RiccochetJ

Gold Member
ChefRamsay said:
I watched him reposition his hips and casually work his right foot onto Sonnen's left hip while keep his left leg wrapped around Sonnen.

It was planned. Jiu-jitsu 101.

I may only have 10 months of BJJ experience, but I can still spot a set-up when it's happening ;)

Yes, and you should have seen him doing that for the first 4 rounds as well. It just didn't work as well. It was a split second of opportunity and Silva capitalized on it.
 

Zeliard

Member
NinjaCodah said:
The thing is, everybody agrees that 9 out of 10 times Penn would destroy Edgar, and that Penn didn't seem himself that night, and that on top of that it was a close decision. Even the odds for Penn/Edgar2 are the same they were for the first fight. You wouldn't be able to say the same for a rematch between Anderson and Sonnen. Sonnen did more damage in that single fight than anybody silva fought in the UFC did combined. He was on his way to an easy victory, and if they fight again the odds will be a lot closer. That submission from Anderson doesn't undo the beating he received tonight.

I don't disagree with any of that. Literally my only problem with a Sonnen/Silva rematch is that I think Belfort deserves the shot first. He's been waiting in the wings, and there wasn't some fuck-up of a decision tonight that greatly demands an instant Silva/Sonnen rematch, so I think it should go to Belfort first.

If you have Sonnen/Silva II next, then who is Belfort supposed to fight? He's been specifically waiting for Anderson Silva. I'd have no issue with an instant Sonnen rematch if there wasn't another immediate contender for Silva, but there is.
 

RiccochetJ

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samus i am said:
If there was a rematch what could Sonnen do any better? It seems to me like he gave absolutely 100% and still came up short. On the other hand, if Silva improves his take down defense I think he could make short work of Sonnen.
Oh for FFS. RUA! How do you go from a decision to a first round knock out? Training! If he has the right coaches, it can happen! Or alternatively, Silva will learn from his mistakes and he will knock out Sonnen within the first 30 seconds!

Silva now knows he can be beat. Handily. He has to adapt!
 

Shaheed79

dabbled in the jelly
Bumblebeetuna said:
Man. Fuck. That fight was like beating off to some awesome porno with a super hot woman in it and then right when you're about to blow your load, she stands up and you see a dick hanging down. Fuck. So anticlimactic. And what's worse is I knew the dick was coming. I was sitting there the entire 5th round just waiting for Sonnen to somehow blow it. He must feel terrible, he was so close and he utterly dominated that fight. Would love to see a rematch.
You don't know the half of it buddy.

Lesson learned. Never bet on anything even a supposed "tip" for a "sure thing". I feel like Silva is pullin a Bruce Willis in Pulp Fiction and getting the heck out of dodge.
 

RiccochetJ

Gold Member
Buckethead said:
It all comes down to if Silva needs time out for that rib.

Dana White and crew isn't waiting a year for that rematch money.
Well if it comes down to that, Belfort and Sonnen will be facing each other.
 
Zeliard said:
I don't disagree with any of that. Literally my only problem with a Sonnen/Silva rematch is that I think Belfort deserves the shot first. He's been waiting in the wings, and there wasn't some fuck-up of a decision tonight that greatly demands an instant Silva/Sonnen rematch, so I think it should go to Belfort first.

If you have Sonnen/Silva II next, then who is Belfort supposed to fight? He's been specifically waiting for Anderson Silva. I'd have no issue with an instant Sonnen rematch if there wasn't another immediate contender for Silva, but there is.
Well, you just said it: Belfort has been waiting for his shot. He hasn't fought anybody at middleweight yet. Unless Sonnen is injured or something, I find it hard to not give the fans another exciting fight like the one we just had. Strike the iron while it's hot, keep this going.

Belfort could fight Maia, Marquardt, Okami. I think Cote is injured, so is Belcher.
 
ChefRamsay said:
In Sonnen's defence, he didn't blow it. Silva was positioning himself for the triangle even at the end of round 4 and most of round 5.

Silva was luring Sonnen into a false sense of security. He was waiting to time his attempt, and like a true BJJ black belt, he was successful.

He dominated the first 4 rounds of a 5 round title fight. He was careless in the way he was attacking and paid for it. Whether or not he was lured into whatever or Silva just capitalized on a big mistake, Sonnen only had a couple minutes left. If he doesn't leave himself so wide open for a submission then he's the new champ. But he blew it. Not trying to take anything away from Silva, he was getting beat, he had a shot and he took it. But Sonnen shouldn't have been fighting so careless.
 
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