UFC 165 |OT| ABBA a little faith in Gustafsson
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Ninja Scooter
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Young? He's older than Jonny by 6 months.
He isn't. It's basically 50-50 on Schaub via wrestle fuck vs. Meathead via KO.
I had to check in to make my one prediction of the night, which is that Bones will absolutely murder Tomato Can #1634. I predict death by hellbows.
Every Bones card has been absolute shit, and it's got nothing to do with him. I think he's a bigger draw than people think, because the UFC always packages him with dreck. That means he must be able to pull in good enough numbers that they feel like saving the good support fights for the other main eventers that need it.
I have no idea why GSP and Silva always get such good support cards, but it's the way it is. People always make comments like this, like Bones isn't a draw, but then ignore that literally every single card he's been on has been shitty. He doesn't book the cards, so this is a business decision Dana and Zuffa are making, and it must be making them money. PEACE.
Every Bones card has been absolute shit, and it's got nothing to do with him. I think he's a bigger draw than people think, because the UFC always packages him with dreck. That means he must be able to pull in good enough numbers that they feel like saving the good support fights for the other main eventers that need it.
I have no idea why GSP and Silva always get such good support cards, but it's the way it is. People always make comments like this, like Bones isn't a draw, but then ignore that literally every single card he's been on has been shitty. He doesn't book the cards, so this is a business decision Dana and Zuffa are making, and it must be making them money. PEACE.
If Gus has no ground game, expect him to spend most of 2 rounds on the ground eating vicious elbows before having the fight stopped. The problem with beating Jones is that he's got one of the most complete fighting games in the company. People said he couldn't stand with Lyoto, but put him out on his feet. He's smart, and despite the hate, Greg Jackson is a great coach. They'll have a gameplan, and if Gus disrupts it by some miracle, Bones can just go balls-out like he did against Vitor and Chael and finish them with Plan B. PEACE.
Right, but how many of his cards have actually been good? It's one thing to say he doesn't need one, but then ignore that he has had far more than Bones. If you never get a good support card to drive up buys, how can you expect Bones to increase his fanbase? Bones has had ZERO good cards, which is a huge drop down from the number both GSP and Anderson have enjoyed during their reigns. Yet, he's arguably the most-exciting champ since Anderson. His fights have certainly been more entertaining than GSP the decision machine. PEACE.
It would be nice if this were the year of the upset in the UFC. Overeem getting exposed and Anderson getting caught while clowning wouldn't compare to Jones losing to this guy. Benson... was expected, though I doubt many expected that seven-fight win streak to be snapped in round one.
Even so I'll throw my hat in the ring with Gustafsson. Y'know, for shits and giggles.
Lambda Pie
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Lesnar could carry a card filled with minis and Ben Askrens to 900k/1million. Jones simply isn't that much of draw.
General Choomin
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Yeah Jones lacks charisma. He is one of the best fighters but his ppv will still be behind people like Tito who are completely washed up. That doesn't mean that Jones isn't one of the best fighters currently.
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A More Normal Bird
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Tbf to Gus though I think Shogun looked much better in that fight than he did against Jones, even taking into account the way the fights went. He was leaner, moving better etc...
I think Gus might be better than some people are giving him credit for. His wrestling actually looked pretty good against Davis, but he fell into that trap of trying to out-grapple the grappler instead of disengaging after a successful defence, like Silva/Sonnen I, Kongo/Velasquez, Shogun/Sonnen. One has to assume that he's improved a fair bit from that point. Still think Jones will win though.
For me the last time Shogun looked good was the first Machida fight. He doesn't move or kick at all due to all the previous knee injuries. I just don't think Gus decisioning current Shogun is huge.
Edit: I want to see a competitive fight but I can't see that happening. Hope I'm wrong though.
Edit: I want to see a competitive fight but I can't see that happening. Hope I'm wrong though.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
Yup. Shogun's done.
Injuries took their toll, and then Jones emasculated him. It's hard to come back from that.
Lambda Pie
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no way Schaub v Mitrione doesn't end with a vicious finish.
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A More Normal Bird
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I agree that the first Machida fight was his best most recent showing, but I think you're overlooking/misremembering the Gustafsson fight. Shogun was throwing kicks and moving pretty well (especially compared to his performance against say, Vera), at least for the first half of the fight. I also don't think Gus winning by decision should be held against him given Shogun's chin. Once again though, I don't think that fight proves Gus is a world-beater or should be favoured against Jones, just that it was a better win than some treat it.
I'm not sure if they're the top three but Shogun, Machida and Sonnen were his quickest wins at the top level and showcase his skills in both striking and grappling.
Wonderful use of a GIF and needs to be quoted.
Also, a buddy paid a lot of money to go to the event and was not even able to tell me who else is fighting. Not sure if that makes the card very boring or him too trigger happy when it comes to spending money.
I guess Montreal is getting all the real events.
I meant your incorrect spelling of Gustafsson
Will try to be up for the ME, but I'm going out tonight so it's doubtful I'll manage to stay awake/wake up at 6AM when it starts
General Choomin
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Jones has done that to everyone to be fair.
Lambda Pie
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i like ABBA but hate Volvo. kinda torn here.
Maklershed
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Jones vs Shogun so you can see where the Jones era begins. (look for me in the stands)
Jones vs Machida so you can see Jones dump gaming side's mma God like a bag of garbage.
Jones vs Vera so you can see the finest example of hellbows.
Jest Chillin
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I still tend to favor Jones vs Bonnar as one of his top fights. Seeing a guy with relatively little experience absolutely ragdoll a 10 year veteran of the sport really puts across just how dominant he's always been.
It's also a great example of how a decision win isn't necessarily a boring fight.
It's also a great example of how a decision win isn't necessarily a boring fight.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
Whilst a lot of fighters went into a slump after being destroyed by Jones (Rashad lost his desire to fight, Bader lost to Tito, etc) most recovered.
Since his fight with Jones, Shogun's went from the No. 1 LHW to outside of the top ten. Machida, Rashad and even Bader are still in the top ten. Vitor seems to have taken his Jonesing as a motivational aid (stacked & cycled with TRT of course) and Sonnen's still Sonnen.
The only other victim of Jones to fall so far and never recover is Brandon Vera. We'll see how Rampage fares in Bellator.
Can Crusher
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Damn Gus is pretty damn big. I'm starting to believe that if Gus starts throwing those bungaloos, Bones won't handle it too well.
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A More Normal Bird
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Both have used their height and reach as a big part of their striking defence. The hits that do come through have to travel upwards, losing a bit of sting and giving the recipient time to prepare. It will be interesting to see what happens when that's not really on the table.
Lambda Pie
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has anyone tested Bones's chin? from memory, can't remember anyone landing good shots in the last couple of years.
That's what I'm counting on. Being punched in the face with any appreciable force for the first time in his life might change things.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
If I remember correctly, Rampage and Rashad got in a lucky hit in forcing Jones to run away and reset his range - no-one's dazed him or made him do the chicken dance yet.
gregor7777
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Ricci v Jury should be entertaining.
Garbage card, really.
Garbage card, really.
Mister Wilhelm
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I'm not usually one to trash cards but this is pretty bad, even the two title fights are underwhelming.
Hopefully it turns out exciting.
Hopefully it turns out exciting.
Machida got some punches in too. Not for too long thought..
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
If someone lands a punch against Jones, his first reaction after re-establishing range is to start using his elbows. The fact his elbow range is roughly the same as other fighters' punching range is a massive deterrent (to say the very least), and ensures that the range of the fight is dictated by Jones. Rashad learnt that the hard way.
Can Crusher
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Gus is right in one thing, Bones has slow hands and feet.
parrotbeak
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what time do the fb prelims start?
mmagaf ot says 3:15 best coast time.
excited to see lazy eye makdessi and thompson.
Jones doesn't have slow hands. A tall guy with slow hands is Struve. Gus has faster hands than Jones, but so did Rashad and Machida.
industrian
will gently cradle you as time slowly ticks away.
I doubt anyone on GAF will be cheering for Carmont. He's everything wrong with modern fighters, as in he possesses the skills and athleticism to beat almost anyone, but willingly chooses to take the safest route possible in order to get the luck of the decision.
Don't get me wrong, if you're a champion and/or have multiple high-level sponsorships that are reliant on a winning streak then I'll look the other way. But if you've been hyped up as a potential contender and are content with boring people to death then you're killing the sport - plain and simple.
Hopefully Philippou wins with a quick finish.
The question is, does Meathead give a fuck?
also,
^^^^ I wish he would do something new for once.
Ninja Scooter
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One punch. Literally one punch. And Machida stans were ready to award him the round for it.
He was winning until he lost
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