theignoramus
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Ring continues to look awful.
De La Hoya meant it as a shot at Mayweather, Im certain.
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UFC 193 OT: Ronda Rousey vs Holly Holm / First PPV headlined by 2 womens Title Fights
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De La Hoya meant it as a shot at Mayweather, Im certain.
I turned off about the time that quote showed up lol. It sounded like Joe was ready to round up shit talkers and put them in camps.
I listened a bit past the first half and they don't even really talk about the fight much. Most of the time they're just circle jerking about the UFC and how great it is.
Oh, OK, gotcha. My bad, I misinterpreted your post.
They probably would put just about anyone on the cover.
abstract alien
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Pretty much. This isn't even defending Rhonda, as she needs no defense (low humor jokes aside), but any time someone can accomplish as much as she has to the point where losing once is grounds for "social network vengeance" from the weak, you know you've succeeded far beyond most people.
The gifs are funny and whatnot, but the deep feelings are just pathetic.
RedAssedApe
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hope she comes back and starts winning again and starts talking more shit. gotta have your heels to hate otherwise you don't care about a lot of these fights.
ldcommando
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One more:
https://vimeo.com/145932240
"Only going to work on someone that doesn't know how to fight"
https://vimeo.com/145932240
"Only going to work on someone that doesn't know how to fight"
Tesseract
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wat da fuq iz dis
RedAssedApe
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It doesn't take a miracle for a grappler to defeat a striker in MMA, just one good takedown. If Holm can keep her distance and keep it standing like she did a couple days ago, Rousey won't be able to do anything. But if there's one good takedown and they're on the ground... well. Always like this in a fight between grappling/striking specialists.
That said, there hasn't been a pure specialist at the top for long, well-rounded fighters tend to do better in the long run. Holm is going to need to work on her grappling if she wants to have a long MMA career at the top.
Haha, I remember that audio, it's Joe and a guest watching Steven Seagal and aikido videos
The truth.
JasonUresti
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I take it you missed Holly defending against Ronda's clinch game pretty easily, and easily defending the armbar attempt and quickly getting back up the one time Ronda was able to drag her down? Also missed Holly body locking Ronda, lifting and slamming her as well?
Holly was better than Ronda everywhere in their fight.
i get that this is a funny jab and Rogan but i have a serious question
please someone answer me this seriously, someone that follows UFC because i only turn it on for fight night, i don't actually follow it.
how did nobody say something about this shit? like, that training video WOW. Tyson is sitting there, he had to be thinking "wtf"
come on. did these guys just say "aww they're cute girls, that's why they're doing this..."
And that trainer, he's a fraud right? WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON Someone explain it to me
Holly absolutely was. But what?
She wont win. She wont all of a sudden gain the experience and technique that Holms has acquired since the age of 16. Ronda is fucking done. This was all a genius marketing ploy by the UFC.
People were fooled.
Monster Zero
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It's hard to have any sympathy for this women who insults peoples religion, family, and believes the united states government was involved in killing school children
CassidyIzABeast
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Decided to check Oscar's twitter for salt
Only thing mentioning the fight was this retweet
November 21 Retweeted
Steve Kim ‏@steveucnlive Nov 15
Ronda Rousey is an anti- domestic violence and feminist( and she'll kick your ass), Im on the bandwagon..
Only thing mentioning the fight was this retweet
November 21 Retweeted
Steve Kim ‏@steveucnlive Nov 15
Ronda Rousey is an anti- domestic violence and feminist( and she'll kick your ass), Im on the bandwagon..
Jest Chillin
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She doesn't need to gain that level of experience or technique. She just needs to learn how to move her head of the center line, stop charging in swinging wildly, and actually focus on trying to get the fight on the ground.
Ronda's been practicing Judo longer than Holm's been Boxing/Kickboxing.
PHOENIXZERO
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That's correct. Even beyond Holly she needs go out ASAP and find a better camp, but those punches were just awful even if she is a grappler. This isn't even about the bad punch video all that much it's also about the future especially when the talent pool keeps pouring in that future. It won't be like Pre-Holly era anymore. The quicker she makes the transition the better, and make those necessary improvements/better gameplan.
Glad Holly won, she got a legit win in that fight and good on her. For Ronda though she should think hard about that future even beyond Holly, especially if she plans to stay in the UFC.
The Holly fight was a Big..Big wakeup call for her.
CassidyIzABeast
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Ronda Rousey ✔ @RondaRousey
I am going to retire undefeated. This Bethe is just one step on the way. #UFC190 #Aug1st #andSTILL
5:53 PM - 30 Jul 2015
I am going to retire undefeated. This Bethe is just one step on the way. #UFC190 #Aug1st #andSTILL
5:53 PM - 30 Jul 2015
Phat Michael
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"im gonna get knocked the fuck out because I fight like an angry school child".
TrumanBurbank
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Donkey of the Day: Ronda Rousey [Charlamagne]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTVeeVPgGGk&feature=youtu.be
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTVeeVPgGGk&feature=youtu.be
DarkArterialGore
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Move of the night.
abstract alien
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Well, I've seen people insult other's religion and family on this very board lol. I'd probably get banned for saying hateful things about the people that did that around here and praised when they faced misfortune. I don't really have an issue with not liking her, it's just the vitriol that comes with it. Rhonda, like her or not, has achieved so much while continuously being herself. She achieved so much in fact, that one loss would give others joy and pleasure. Holm beat the fuck out of her like master vs student, which even shocked me as I predicted her to win. Can't get around that ass beating. It's just when people spew venom when they would never do so in person, or even have this much emotion and vested interest in someone's failure that has succeeded in so much that she has worked her ass off for...I find it sad. It's sad to be that weak lol. The better woman won, and in spectacular fashion, which warrants gif attention and admiration.
Why so much hatred though? I get the common folk that just like to post in the ignorant echo chamber, but some seem pretty vested in it. It's just empty when it comes from someone that hasn't accomplished anything. I talked to someone last night (who let's just say, has a lesser job she is unhappy with) that was so happy she lost and talked so much shit about how bad she was. I mean, there is a reason she is where she is, and most others are where they are. A single loss getting this attention is nearly confirmation of greatness in itself.
Indeed. It was this moment, that you know Rhonda immediately knew she was fucked. That was insane.
Move of the night.
Yeah because people use their religion as a basis for decision making. If that's the case it should be questioned at every chance, but doing that "insults" religious people.
Anyways, i feel cheated by the UFC. I'm still awaiting explanation from those that follow UFC or Ronda closely to explain to me how no one called her out for being crap.
Jest Chillin
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Because she's not crap. Seriously go back and watch her other fights.
abstract alien
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Im a godless heathen, so I'm on your side. Rhonda being crap is a bit bogus though, isn't it? She is just responding to her talent pool right? I mean, she has legitimate combat creditials doesn't she?
I'm sorry but i'm starting to think no. I've seen all her fights in the UFC. Most of the time she was just tougher and more athletic than the other women. She was a one trick pony waiting to be exposed.
I just never follow UFC outside of actual events. Seeing these videos of her training, her trainer, all this info... how were people stupid not to bet on this fight?
I get it that it's Dana White and the UFC's job to sell her as this bigger than life figure and i guess could we expect Joe Rogan to step on his bosses toes? I liked Joe but i'm a little sour on him now. His credibility may be shot with me.
Angelus Errare
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Crap is bogus, but Ronda does have a glaring weakness that many have been saying since she entered UFC. She has absolutely no striking skills. She's just been very fortunate that her judo game is world class. She can pretty much get you in an arm bar from any situation. Which is why many of her wins have been via submission, that's her bread and butter. Ronda is also good at closing distance very quickly and cutting off avenues of escape and most girls she fought just try to stand their ground or worse get into a clinch with her.
Holly being a world class striker knows how to move around and keep her distance, that's absolutely the worst match up for Ronda but the thing was it was going to happen eventually. Ronda never tried to improve her striking...or let me rephrase that to be accurate. Ronda thought she was improving her striking under Edmonds but really he retarded any semblance of striking skill that she might have had. Ronda over estimated her own abilities thinking she could Jon Jones her opponents (beat them at their own game). The girls Ronda had been fighting up to this point were decent strikers, so Ronda's horrible striking abilities weren't really obvious. But as everyone saw, when she went up against a chick who really knew her shit...Ronda was out of her element. Even Ronda knew this (which is why she was so eager to close distance and get Holm into a grab).
come on now, its easy to look like a wrecking machine when your opponents fight as stupid as her previous opponents.
MindGamingMantis
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I haven't laughed this hard in months.
GeordieMark
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Its also easy to make opponents look stupid when you are pretty good.
Rousey did nothing to make Zingano rush her like an idiot.
bggrthnjsus
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having finally seen this i think rousey may have bought into her own hype a little? or maybe her trainers bought into her hype? anyway i think she tried to beat holm at her own game with pretty brutal results
funkystudent
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She definitely did. And so did Edmond.
Here's some info from an interview with her former training partner.
http://www.fightnewsaustralia.com/d...lenger-to-holm-gives-her-thoughts-on-ufc-193/
Edmond was telling stories like Ronda burrying these people in practice. They hyped her up to the most insane heights.
Maybe the Sara McMann and Bethe Correira finishes had us fooled a little. I mean, I definitely didn't realize she was this bad.
I believe everyone she has faced prior has been Judo or Jujitsu. Basically, they all employ similar styles to her. Close the distance and pin. So it works great when they want to play the same game as her strengths.
But she was a paper queen and Holly showed that to the world. What happens if the other person doesn't play the same game as you? I think someone said it, it was the worst possible defeat she could have. It wasn't short enough were you could say it was a fluke nor long enough where she put up a decent battle. Its not just the completely lacking of striking skills she had. But the non-existed defense skills, lack of stamina, and ability to keep cool. She just ended up flailing around and looking like a complete amateur. Its not saying she can improve all of this. But Holm's had enough time to rip apart her completely and show every fault she had... and that of many of the other girls in the league too.
Most other women have poor striking too. So she's not outclassed that much. If anything, she fits right in. High level striking is not the norm in WMMA.
Ronda can still be dominant she just needs a corner that tells her what to do. And some basic headmovement, learn to stop walking into the same punches. If she spends a full camp training on that stuff, I think she's a lot harder to finish already.
Ronda learning proper striking defense is much more likely than the rest of her division being able to stop getting armbarred for an entire fight. But on that note I do suggest she sticks to her roots as a grappler and not try to become the Jon Jones of WMMA that beats everyone at their own game.
She was having it way too easy anyway. It's good that she has to work a little now. Who likes a dominant champ? I know I don't. I hate onesided matches. I didn't enjoy Ronda armbarring people in round 1 at all.
Ronda can still be dominant she just needs a corner that tells her what to do. And some basic headmovement, learn to stop walking into the same punches. If she spends a full camp training on that stuff, I think she's a lot harder to finish already.
Ronda learning proper striking defense is much more likely than the rest of her division being able to stop getting armbarred for an entire fight. But on that note I do suggest she sticks to her roots as a grappler and not try to become the Jon Jones of WMMA that beats everyone at their own game.
She was having it way too easy anyway. It's good that she has to work a little now. Who likes a dominant champ? I know I don't. I hate onesided matches. I didn't enjoy Ronda armbarring people in round 1 at all.
Lack of stamina was definitely noticeable. It'll be interesting to see how the knockout affects her career, some fighters are never the same. Goddamn that kick was fierce
Comfort Jones
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Honestly I always knew her approach to striking was bad, cuz you know, charging forward like that is not a smart strategy, but I didn't truly know how bad her hands were til I saw some of those drills or w/e that people started bringing up. Thought about combined with what we had seen of her in the octagon and I was like oh "good god he's really not teaching her anything in that camp is he?".
She needs to ditch that fucker immediately. Was shaking my head at Joe trying to defend him as passively as he could on the podcast. He's not just a bad mma coach, he has taught her absolutely nothing in terms of boxing mechanics, or if he has she has held on to none of it. No head movement, no strategy for ring cutting, chasing with weird wild swings, etc.
People talk about a lack of stamina but honestly so much of that can be attributed to her "strategy" for fighting alone. If you're fuckin sprinting across the ring trying to force a clinch you're going to tire out fast unless you're Nick Diaz.
She's a pressure fighter, she's going to get hit. Someone like Holm is just perfectly equipped to make mincemeat out of Ronda and unless the latter overhauls her striking game from the ground up, she'll lose 100 out of 100 fights with Holm.
I agree.
As far as Rogan goes, for someone that gave Brendan Schaub the most harsh reality check I've ever witnessed, it is fucked up to see him be the way he is, when it comes to Edmond.
Sending her in against Holly again, with Edmond in charge, that's some dangerous game to play.
What did he say to Schaub?
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