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We need a Corbyn "it's happening" .gif, stat!
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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding
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Pancake Mix
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Uzzy is right, a coalition with nationalists would be absolutely unacceptable and destroy Labour.
CyclopsRock
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Don't do it to yourselves, guys....
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JonathanEx
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It may be a u-turn but it's a strong and stable one
Oh so they arent quite as dumb as they appear. They realise they'll be just as screwed as everyone else under the Tory's probably even more so. All that news they like to propagate would likely come under some heavy restrictions and regulation.
Times front page story "Tories wobble as cuts for elderly slash May's lead. Corbyn halves gap as maifesto bombs".
some real backlash to the social care policy. Even if there's a big win I could see them really struggle to get that through.
some real backlash to the social care policy. Even if there's a big win I could see them really struggle to get that through.
Just going to pit this out there - I utterly loathe the fact that labour have suddenly clasped the Triple lock to heart because the tories have (rightfully) decided to end it. It was a fucking awful policy for day 1, it is literally a direct transfer of wealth from young people disabled people and poor people to bribe the elderly for votes. For a leader who is supposedly known for his courage and standing up for his beliefs no matter what I'm extremely dissapointed that when the tories actually do something right he changes tune because it's worth some easy votes.
It's a cheap political tactic that makes this country worse and the party should be better,
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I agree it's a terrible policy. Conversely, the Labour manifesto as a whole is wildly better. If I have to take double-lock plus all the rest of the Conservative manifesto, versus triple-lock plus all the rest of the Labour manifesto, I'm pretty happy to compromise on triple-lock.
As a three-time election-winning Labour leader once said 'If you can't beat them, triangulate the shit out of them."
Billy_Pilgrim
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If he wins he'll have to govern and quite simply it would be impossible for him to push through his wackier ideas. Him being PM is best case scenario regardless of how unlikely and inept he personally might be.
Also he isn't winning and will in fact lose badly, so save yourself the pain and accept it.
Theonik
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Much as I understand people's anger at the triple lock especially coming in an era where real wages for working people are declining, the measure has merit and regardless withdrawing it for existing pensioners and people soon reaching their retirement is a major change over their living circumstances that they have little to no control over.
If he matches Ed Miliband vote total then there won't be a leadership challenge. If he exceeds it, as seems likely, then he's safe and won't even have to stand down u less he wants to. At that point even I'll grit my teeth and acknowledge he has the right to stay on a few more years, much as I dislike how he's running the party,
It doesn't have merit. It was a literal bribe for votes. why do we chose one relatively better off area of society to receive such massive boosts whilst at the same time slashing money for the disabled to the ground? All those brutal welfare cuts the coalition imposed were swallowed up entirely by the triple lock rise.
Also your logic on not changing it means that we should never make any changes at all to old age people. That seems slightly difficult.
Theonik
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When it comes to pensions I support that yes.
Billy_Pilgrim
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If he loses seats the vote total won't matter. I have seen the Labour party after an election defeat and I know what's coming if he doesn't win seats.
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If Corbyn increases Miliband's vote share, he'll probably keep the membership. If he keeps the membership, the PLP can't shift him. The sooner they figure that out, the better. I'm not sure I can face another farcical waste of time where some sacrifical lamb offers up a leadership challenge doomed to fail from the get go.
Theonik
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My worry is the PLP is just *that* stupid. After all they had two leadership races in about a year second of which was them trying to kick out Corbyn with no indication membership would support it.
htttpwwwyahoocom
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I've been thinking this as the polls improve. In the Tory landslide scenario the Labour PLP will feel vindicated in not backing him properly. If Labour does OK (this is obviously relative/subjective!) on the back of a lefty manifesto and Corbyn's campaign, is it arguably worse? The arguments that Jezza is toxic and too left-wing will be undermined and if they still don't want to get in line and back him (spoliers: they won't) then will we have a whole parliament of even grubbier internal Labour politics?
Miles Quaritch
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That's-- that's not the quote.
There's not even enough of them to meet the quote
There's still plenty of votes left in this country. Now you take this to the polling station, throw it in the booths, add some disillusioned precariat, urban liberals. Baby, you've got a government going.
OmegaTreeFish
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I find it amazing they thought this manifesto would go through without criticism. A lot of there base are older as well and they fuck em over lol.
Jezbollah
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They're basically putting a shitty manifesto on the back of them being THE PARTY FOR BREXIT and hoping that people agree that Theresa May is a better leader for negotiations for the EU than "The buffoon" Corbyn.
The Tories are framing this as a Brexit election, with 80% (made up figure) framing on the impending Article 50 negotiations, and the rest on a hodgepodge manifesto, while Labour has treated this as a conventional election.
OmegaTreeFish
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I don't know who to vote for out of lib dem and labour. In 2010 lib dem were more popular in my area than labour. Then 2015 the crashed and burned like all accross the country. However i have no idea if they have regained support or not. My heart says vote lib dem. But if a labour vote had better chance to block tory then my brain says thats better.
Its prob mute as its pretty much a conservative lock in my area. In which case i should go with lib dem prob.
Its prob mute as its pretty much a conservative lock in my area. In which case i should go with lib dem prob.
Fernando Fernandez
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There's websites you can use...
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/tactical-voting/conservative
On Brexit I'd rather Keir Starmer, a qualified human rights lawyer went to negotiate than any of the clowns the Conservatives have lined up.
http://www.electionpolling.co.uk/tactical-voting/conservative
On Brexit I'd rather Keir Starmer, a qualified human rights lawyer went to negotiate than any of the clowns the Conservatives have lined up.
Tactical voting website that recommends UKIP in some seats... hmmm.
edit: Oh it has pages for tactical voting against all the parties.
But I'm still going to vote Labour regardless.It's one of those emotional ones that also has the potential to hurt those who consider a home a home rather than an asset belonging to their parent.
People who might have been rich a million years ago but now only have their home.
The equity release nature of it gives everyone a public face to complain about it too. The government​ seems to value marriage as a good relationship for society but a parent child relationship? Not so much.
I mean how many houses are worth less than 100,000 in London?
Fernando Fernandez
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There's been better linked but that one (after a quick Google) will do the job if he's deciding between Lib Dem and Labour
OmegaTreeFish
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Well my area is
"Conservative held seats where their lead is probably too large for tactical voting to make a difference"
So lib dem it is then.
Same as here then
The conservative lead here is so high they haven't even bothered to send out any leaflets
I would guess none. I don't know if there's many houses that are less than £100k anywhere.
I was trying to find a video I saw yesterday of a Labour MP explaining this situation and it really got to me. He was basically saying that older people will now be part of a lottery where those who get sick will simply hope to die faster so they can leave something.
Randy Lanzarote
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Everyone should just tactically vote for a party which aims to replace our outdated and archaic FPTP method, that way we'll never have to resort to voting tactically again.
Mostly.
Mostly.
SuperEpicMan
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I also quite like this website (Tactical 2017). It is pretty good to share as it looks slick and is easy to use, plus you do not need to search for your constituency as it either takes your location from the browser or your postcode if not.
tamaster92
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My local Lib dem is a trans woman (which I found out a day or two ago) and is actually someone I've watched fight for trans and equality rights before.
That plus 4 different sites telling me to vote Lib dem to remove conservatives where I live has easily settled my vote
That plus 4 different sites telling me to vote Lib dem to remove conservatives where I live has easily settled my vote
Dirtyshubb
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Did anyone watch the Corbyn interview with sophy ridge on sky?
I thought he did really well but God damn was ridge trying her best to drag him down. Her refusal to accept his answer on the IRA was really infuriating.
It's like she was trying to reduce the argument to good vs bad instead of admitting it was a complicated issue. He condemned all the violence but that wasn't enough.
Otherwise his answers were good and he managed to shut her down in the end.
I thought he did really well but God damn was ridge trying her best to drag him down. Her refusal to accept his answer on the IRA was really infuriating.
It's like she was trying to reduce the argument to good vs bad instead of admitting it was a complicated issue. He condemned all the violence but that wasn't enough.
Otherwise his answers were good and he managed to shut her down in the end.
OmegaTreeFish
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Yeah that is a better site. Same result though. Regardless im gonna vote lib dem. Been feeling they align with me the most for a while now.
Yeah same here (Hertsmere). Labour were about 20% behind last time, but this has been a conservative seat since it came around. I'm going to vote lib dem I think.
Doctor_Thomas
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Boris Johnson wrongly claims £350m NHS promise is in manifesto
So many lies that Boris doesn't know what the truth even if anymore. That man will be negotiating with the EU post-Brexit. He also voted AGAINST the extra £350m a day to the NHS. Do you really want that?
Or would you prefer Keir Starmer?
So many lies that Boris doesn't know what the truth even if anymore. That man will be negotiating with the EU post-Brexit. He also voted AGAINST the extra £350m a day to the NHS. Do you really want that?
Or would you prefer Keir Starmer?
Huw_Dawson
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What constituency? (You have already said above who you are voting for, just curious.)
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