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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding

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Commander Jameson

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88% Green
85% SNP
82% Labour
80% Lib Dem
78% Plaid Cymru
77% Sinn Fein
41% Democratic Unionist
37% UKIP
30% Conservative
30% BNP

The top few are broadly what I was expecting. Glad to see the big jump down for the bottom parties.
 
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King_Moc

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QuicheFontaine said:
Re: social conservatism - I did one of those "isidewith" questionaire thingies today, just for fun since some guys in the whatsapp group were doing it.

I consider myself to be a fairly liberal guy (don't laugh). There were questions in there about same-sex marriage, abortion, drug use legalisation, etc. and I'm like sure go ahead, fill your boots, tick tick tick.

Result comes out...

87% Conservative

I know the Tories are "right wing" but it really just seems like the whole of the political scene has moved on with regard to all these. Noone is talking about rolling back any of them!
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83% Labour
83% Green
82% Lib Dem for me.

39% UKIP and 36% Tory.
 
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Pandy

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QuicheFontaine said:
Sure, here you go: https://uk.isidewith.com/

I'm sure there are others but that's the one I used. Seems pretty decent as it gives you a number of options and then asks how important each thing is.
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Cheers.

79% Green
76% SNP
76% Labour
67% Lib Dem
63% Sinn Fein
62% Plaid Cymru
33% DUP
32% Conservative
27% UKIP
23% BNP

Seems a fair reflection of my views at the moment. If you were to ask me to rank the parties I'd end up with something very similar, though I have no idea about the day-to-day policies of the Welsh or Northern Irish parties beyond the DUP being aligned with the Tories.
 
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Jackpot

Banned
SNP, Lib Dems, Labour all 80%
Tories 54%

The questions on taxes and NHS privatisation should mark a pretty clear divide in results.
 
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Pie and Beans

Look for me on the local news, I'll be the guy arrested for trying to burn down a Nintendo exec's house.
twobear said:
The right wing has instituted two massive changes in British social and political life in the past 40 years (Thatcherism, and now Brexit), but for anybody on the left to have aspirations for major change they're told it's pie-in-the-sky, unrealistic, politics doesn't work that way. Why is this? Can somebody explain it to me? With all the talk of 'minor improvements' and 'don't rock the boat too much', people hoping for New New Labour are basically letting the Tories (and in fact, even darker, further right-wing groups like UKIP) win every significant political victory.

The Left used to think that they could change things in a big way, and in fact they did, back in the 1950s. Now they're happy as long as government spending is only cut by 20% instead of 22%.
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Fiscal gravity.

The left wants to build more 'blocks' (programs, institutions, systems) higher and higher and reach for the sun. As such the tower can wobble and slow patience and a metred approach is required so the jabbing fingers of the right over "fiscal irresponsibility" can't bring the whole jenga tower down. Sometimes you just have to stick and maintain rather than keep reaching for an impossible ideal. Protect the height you've already reached.

The right doesn't want to build that tower. It wants to keep it at ground level, separated up or not even in their line of sight at all. It is of course easier to bring a tower crashing down than it is to continue to build upwards. "Keep it simple, stupid" is a populist approach after all.

Therefore the Right gets to always operate on easy mode, the left on hard. The left has to acknowledge that winning on hard mode, (gravity on, headshots on), they have to play slower, more methodical, sneakier, and so on.

Secondary to that, to not get bogged down in the pursuit of 'liberal perfection' and just accepting progress and good, especially not falling for all the hindsight hot takes. Looking at things in shades of grey rather than black and white. Blair's government pushed a lot of things forward in this country and achieved great things but because of Iraq and all that, everyone wants to scratch the whole era off the history books when it was Labour's most successful. 2017 World judging the 2003 World is going to throw up some differences for a start. It's self sabotage and it's greatly responsible for where the Labour party is today.

More than anything, New Labour seemed like a gang that could run a country and get the job done. Corbyn's Labour can't even get on a fucking train right.
 
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Dougald

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76% Lib Dem, 71% Labour, 63% Green, 58% Conservative

Sounds about right, I thought I'd be more green than that but I suppose supporting Nuclear Energy kills me with them
 
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King Gilga

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80% Labour
80% Green
79% SNP
75% Liberal Democrat
74% Plaid Cymru
67% Sinn Féin
51% Democratic Unionist
49% Conservative
41% British National
33% UKIP

You know I basically side with everything on labor besides brexit and and really do agree with their pledges even if I don't believe in then.

But I just can't give them my vote, I guess it will be the green party, better than not voting at least.

On a side note, is there a country where the green party actually ever won an important election?
 
PJV3

PJV3

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twobear said:
They aren't right now. What worries me is that if Brexit really is the shitshow that a lot of smart people think it will be, they might be in a decade. Economic issues tend to breed social issues.
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There's also fact the loony wing of the Conservative party has been busy getting out of the EU via UKIP, it depends if they return to the fold as an active element or not.
 
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twobear

sputum-flecked apoplexy
Pie and Beans said:
Fiscal gravity.

The left wants to build more 'blocks' (programs, institutions, systems) higher and higher and reach for the sun. As such the tower can wobble and slow patience and a metred approach is required so the jabbing fingers of the right over "fiscal irresponsibility" can't bring the whole jenga tower down. Sometimes you just have to stick and maintain rather than keep reaching for an impossible ideal. Protect the height you've already reached.

The right doesn't want to build that tower. It wants to keep it at ground level, separated up or not even in their line of sight at all. It is of course easier to bring a tower crashing down than it is to continue to build upwards. "Keep it simple, stupid" is a populist approach after all.

Therefore the Right gets to always operate on easy mode, the left on hard. The left has to acknowledge that winning on hard mode, (gravity on, headshots on), they have to play slower, more methodical, sneakier, and so on.

Secondary to that, to not get bogged down in the pursuit of 'liberal perfection' and just accepting progress and good, especially not falling for all the hindsight hot takes. Looking at things in shades of grey rather than black and white. Blair's government pushed a lot of things forward in this country and achieved great things but because of Iraq and all that, everyone wants to scratch the whole era off the history books when it was Labour's most successful. 2017 World judging the 2003 World is going to throw up some differences for a start. It's self sabotage and it's greatly responsible for where the Labour party is today.

More than anything, New Labour seemed like a gang that could run a country and get the job done. Corbyn's Labour can't even get on a fucking train right.
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What's missing from your putative explanation is any recognition that the narratives pushed by the right can be challenged in any way. You're playing by their rules the whole time instead of seeking to upend them, like Attlee did in the 1950s and Thatcher did in the 1970s.

The ultimate failure of New Labour was that instead of actually challenging any of the harmful economic tentpoles Thatcher put up, they just made little changes around the periphery. As a consequence, the good economic things they did were erased by a Tory government less than a decade after they left power, because they hadn't even bothered to try to convince anyone that things could be different (and why would they? In broad brush strokes New Labour agreed completely with Thatcher's economic programme).
 
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TrutaS

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80% SNP
77 % Lib Dems, Green
76% Labour.

There must be a few issues where I diverged there, but overall they are pretty close. Surprised SNP came on top to be honest, but I have been agreeing with Nicola a lot lately. Too bad I can't vote, cus I'm a filthy immigrant.
 
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DBT85

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iapetus said:
Congratulations on doing exactly what the Tories want you to. The Lib Dems did a hell of a lot of good in 2010. Everyone focuses on the tuition fees, but that was a necessary move to mitigate a lot of the other damage the Tories did and to get through some genuinely good stuff. Without the coalition, none of the mitigation would have happened, and when the next election happened and the Tories had an absolute majority they'd have pushed through all their shit anyway. Look at the damage the Tories did in coalition government. Now look at the damage they did on their own. Now look at the damage they're going to do with an increased majority.

And after all that you want to blame the Lib Dems for everything that was bad in the coalition government?
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This is exactly how I've felt since the results came out from that 2015 election.

Black Republican said:
anyone voting lib dem?

honest question
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Quite a few, me included and I imagine my wife and father in law.
 
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Real Hero

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King Gilga said:
80% Labour
80% Green
79% SNP
75% Liberal Democrat
74% Plaid Cymru
67% Sinn Féin
51% Democratic Unionist
49% Conservative
41% British National
33% UKIP

You know I basically side with everything on labor besides brexit and and really do agree with their pledges even if I don't believe in then.

But I just can't give them my vote, I guess it will be the green party, better than not voting at least.

On a side note, is there a country where the green party actually ever won an important election?
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wait you won't vote labour but you will vote green, why?!
 
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Linkstrikesback

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The Hamburglar said:
why isn;'t May holding this election in May? Surely the headlines and puns would give her a boost?
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She thinks she can win and make large gains without doing anything, thanks to the public perception of Corbyn that the Tories are responsible for, and grabbing a bunch of ukip votes. She might be right.
 
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Randdalf

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72% Lib Dem
71% Labour
66% Green
51% Conservative

Some questions I didn't really have a good answer to, or hadn't really thought about before.
 
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Real Hero

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79% Labour
72% Green
70% Lib Dem
64% SNP
55% Plaid Cymru
49% Sinn Féin
37% UKIP
34% Conservative
28% British National
25% Democratic Unionist
 
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Zelias

Banned
91% SNP
90% Labour
85% Green
81% Lib Dem

Needless to say, the Tories, UKIP and the BNP are at the bottom for me.
 
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Deleted member 231381

Unconfirmed Member
64% Labour
53% Liberal Democrat
51% Green
51% SNP
41% Sinn Fein
41% Plaid Cymru
31% Conservative
21% UKIP
15% BNP
11% DUP
 
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Maledict

Member
Crab said:
64% Labour
53% Liberal Democrat
51% Green
51% SNP
41% Sinn Fein
41% Plaid Cymru
31% Conservative
21% UKIP
15% BNP
11% DUP
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I love the fact that the person trying to get a labour MP nomination has one of the lowest labour scores on the board... ;-)
 
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Maledict said:
I love the fact that the person trying to get a labour MP nomination has one of the lowest labour scores on the board... ;-)
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I think it's because I took the quiz too seriously and kept picking "see all stances", which made me not match anyone very closely.

Also, I'm a contrarian, what can I say?
 
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Vagabundo

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Royal_Phalanx said:
Does Ireland often have coalitions? It uses STV after all which is a better voting system.
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We actually have a minority government at the moment, but usually we will have coalitions - as far back as I can remember. The minority government hasn't actually been bad. If they made some reforms in the Dáil (parliament) I think I'd like a minority government over a coalition.

I usually take a punt on the Greens and then Labour for #2 and maybe another that takes my fancy. I do like STV as a system, but it does produce a fractured government sometimes, but that means the fuckers need to get the finger out and actually do some work to get legislation through.
 
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CyclopsRock

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There very rarely seems to be an acknowledgement from people on the left that those on the right actually might have their heart in the right place too but disagree with the methods to achieve it. The right seems to always be portrayed as basically evil, sadistic and finding pleasure in the suffering of others. I don't really understand why, because the idea that they merely disagree​ on methods requires far less logical backflips.
 
phisheep

phisheep

NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
61% LibDem, 59% Tory - no wonder I've been dithering.

I'm not a spectacularly good match to anyone, probably because I wanted to qualify too many of the answers,
 
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Starwolf_UK

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So power levels
70s SNP, Lib Dem, Kabour.
60s Green, Plaid
50s Sinn, Tory
40s Dem, UKIP
30s BNP

But I thought this was more important to me:
*** Constituency voters side mostly Conservative. You disagree with most *** voters on almost all issues, especially Economic and Healthcare issues. You might want to consider moving to one of these regions.
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So my vote is null and void anyway as the non conservative votes are too split to win (though the local conservative MP might have reached breaking point with how they're a Brexiteer in a remain area and have focused energies on a very odd sort of environmental issue but thing is they've always been rubbish and got in because of being conservative rather than inpsite of...)...shame there is not some kind of alternative way to vote...oh wait that suggested and rejected.
 
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Linkstrikesback

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CyclopsRock said:
There very rarely seems to be an acknowledgement from people on the left that those on the right actually might have their heart in the right place too but disagree with the methods to achieve it. The right seems to always be portrayed as basically evil, sadistic and finding pleasure in the suffering of others. I don't really understand why, because the idea that they merely disagree​ on methods requires far less logical backflips.
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People don't appreciate the right voters voting for a party who want to strip the rights of the poor and disabled, or trying to kneecap the NHS, among everything else I dislike the tories for doing.

I feel like it doesn't tend to go the other way, because they appreciate what the public results of what the left does while in power (even if they don't want to admit it), by which I mean the sort of things that make headlines, while the same isn't true in reverse.
 
-Plasma Reus-

-Plasma Reus-

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Don't fuck this one up Britain.
Dont. Fuck. This up.

England (and Wales!) are gonna fuck this one up aren't they.
 
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Linkstrikesback

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-Plasma Reus- said:
Don't fuck this one up Britain.
Dont. Fuck. This up.

England (and Wales!) are gonna fuck this one up aren't they.
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Yep. The successful propaganda campaign against corbyn, and him not even having control of his own MPs, plus the unfairly levied amount of blame they managed to get on the Lib dems during the coalition means there's no way the Tories don't come out on top here, and that means Brexit continues down the terrifying hard brexit path it's on.
 
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whyamihere

Banned
86% Labour
84% Green
82% Lib Dem
73% SNP
64% Plaid Cymru
57% Sinn Fein
35% UKIP
32% Tories (lol)
32% Democratic Unionist
30% British National

Seems about right
 
PJV3

PJV3

Member
-Plasma Reus- said:
Don't fuck this one up Britain.
Dont. Fuck. This up.

England (and Wales!) are gonna fuck this one up aren't they.
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Some mistakenly believe that Europe cares about the size of the Tory majority, I've seen a fair few labour voters say it, it's going to be bad.
 
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Kase

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86% Lib Dems
77% SNP
77% Labour
69% Plaid Cymru
67% Greens
60% Sinn Fein
59% Tory
44% Unionist
31% UKIP
28% BNP

Looks like I'm more Lib Dem than I thought I'd be
 
phisheep

phisheep

NeoGAF's Chief Barrister
CyclopsRock said:
There very rarely seems to be an acknowledgement from people on the left that those on the right actually might have their heart in the right place too but disagree with the methods to achieve it. The right seems to always be portrayed as basically evil, sadistic and finding pleasure in the suffering of others. I don't really understand why, because the idea that they merely disagree​ on methods requires far less logical backflips.
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Hear hear.
 
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