Even Abbott's getting in on the bantz game.
Sounds like she wants Rudd by the school gates at 3:30pm.
Sounds like she wants Rudd by the school gates at 3:30pm.
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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding
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not really comfortable with implication that may forced rudd to do it while she was greiving, rudd is probably ambitious and makes her own choices. i'm sure may would have happily sent out that oaf fallon instead if rudd backed out, anything to avoid being personally humiliated on stage by corbyn.
Even being ambitious, not sure why any Tory would have willingly taken May's place seeing it was a guarantee that they would be ganged up on and come out worse regardless of their performance.
Monty Mole
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BrilliantEven Abbott's getting in on the bantz game.
Sounds like she wants Rudd by the school gates at 3:30pm.
Auxiliary Bro
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This is actually incredible.
Linkstrikesback
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She said it was to spend time with the public instead, and preparing for Brexit negotiations.
You know, typical tory bollocks.
Because she's too busy talking to the public/preparing for Brexit. Also she debates Corbyn all the time at PMQs.
I think that's all the reasons she's given.
Coriolanus
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wish they'd extend that reasoning to most drugs, tbqh.
Yes, she was busy meeting people on the streets and preparing for Brexit negotiations. Don't ask why she called the election in the first place instead of doing the latter though.
electroshockwave
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She's focusing on the important things like Brexit negotiations. Which is why she called this snap election just after invoking Article 50.
TheOnlyOneHeEverFeared
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The more I see of Corbyn the more I like him.
Then she spent her time with the public, on TV, to criticise Corbyn for appearing on TV so much while she was apparently planing for Brexit negotiations (while speaking to the public live on TV).
Linkstrikesback
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In line with tory policy, they'd rather anyone else be selling anything that could potentially have medical applications, and if that means from a shady dealer round the back of lidls, so be it.
FWIW I've voted Labour in every GE since early '90s, in various constituencies in Scotland and England, mostly on the losing side.
I'll be voting SNP next week, not particularly happy about it, but the Tories may be close to taking the seat. The sitting MP I'll be voting for is someone I personally dislike.
Ravensmash
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She's busy outside voters houses sizing them up to sell them off.
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CON: 42% (-1)
LAB: 39% (+3)
LDEM: 7% (-2)
UKIP: 4% (-)
(via @YouGov / 30 - 31 May)
LAB: 39% (+3)
LDEM: 7% (-2)
UKIP: 4% (-)
(via @YouGov / 30 - 31 May)
Audioboxer
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She's preparing for the E3 megatons. The stupid GE vote is getting in the way.
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https://twitter.com/britainelects/status/870025264239177729
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 42% (-1)
LAB: 39% (+3)
LDEM: 7% (-2)
UKIP: 4% (-)
(via @YouGov / 30 - 31 May)
Westminster voting intention:
CON: 42% (-1)
LAB: 39% (+3)
LDEM: 7% (-2)
UKIP: 4% (-)
(via @YouGov / 30 - 31 May)
Linkstrikesback
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And this is no doubt why he turned up on TV tonight (and why Theresa didn't, because the opposite happens for her)/
Holy shit. Megaton.
It's Yougov but if the other polls also show a further narrowing in the gap...
Monty Mole
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Because she wants to go and meet voters instead apparently. I want to see the evidence.. which voters did she meet this evening?
Same. When Theresa called the election I thought it was a no-brainer and I was going to vote Tory because of Labour's disarray. But I have now made my postal vote.. and it wasn't Tory.
killer_clank
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YouGov really are playing with fire here - they really don't have a good track record recently and despite the narrowing election only they have Labour anywhere near this close. Either YouGov are playing a blinder or they're going to look very, very silly.
Hope it's accurate obvs
nah it's a great way to raise your profile and everyone blames may more than rudd for what happened.
YouGov are absolute madmen.
Speaking of madmen, tomorrow nights Question Time looks promising. If Barry Gardiner keeps up the form he's been in lately, we'll be in for a real treat.
Maleficence
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I'm trying really hard not to get excited about those polls but frankly as long as Tories lose seats I would say this is a good sign for Labour.
A Labour majority would be absolutely incredible though.
A Labour majority would be absolutely incredible though.
killer_clank
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This is the thing they all show a narrowing but only YouGov and them alone are getting these kind of numbers. A lot of people seem to rate them as the best pollster but imo they're just really good at promotion.
still not falling for it. You're not going to get my hopes up just to shatter them with an 80+ Tory majority.
Theonik
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Is Islington your constituency? If not, just vote for your local MP as you normally would?
Audioboxer
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Fully prepare yourself for polls once again to take the L come the night of counting the votes.
This topic will be fucking mayhem once the counting starts.
Dirtyshubb
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Just finished watching and overall I think it was great, got a bit shouty but I think it focused on two massive points- May being scared to debate and the failings of the Tories.
Both of these points are clear to the population and are powerful in combating the only message that the Tories have been basing their campaign on.
As for each person:
Caroline - easily did the best, had some amazingly simple but powerful questions and points that will go over well.
Farron - actually turned me around on him and really performed well with some damn fine burns.
Corbyn - got a little flustered at a couple points but I don't think it took away from his message and overall great performance plus he had some great responses from the crowd.
Leanne - sadly got shut out but I suppose it's fair being her party. Didn't come across as experienced as most of the others but she got plenty of good digs in.
Angus - overall did great and again had some great statements and really put the pressure on the tories. His comparison to labour and ukip on immigration was bullshit though, appreciate the need to fight labour in Scotland but that was wrong.
Nuttal - clearly a piece of shit racist but for those openly and self denying racist audience I think he performed really well. Other than the benefits for racists he was Terrible though.
Rudd - absolutely terrible. Being able to compare each party at once really shows how fake and market tested the Tories are. Everything was soundbites or personal attacks on Corbyn. Also that justification for selling arms was absolutely disgusting and if there is any justice it will be picked up on (it won't happen though).
Take away - in an ideal world this will help drive the wedge between the Tories pr machine and turn people off from them even more. I think ukip and labour could steal some votes back from the Tories, ukip for the right and labour from the centrists.
I do think this could really harm may, she is getting called out for being weak by an increasingly growing amount of people and this was her final (in the publics eye) test and she failed.
Hopefully the press can't attack Corbyn too much because of the forced attention on May and the Tories failures.
Both of these points are clear to the population and are powerful in combating the only message that the Tories have been basing their campaign on.
As for each person:
Caroline - easily did the best, had some amazingly simple but powerful questions and points that will go over well.
Farron - actually turned me around on him and really performed well with some damn fine burns.
Corbyn - got a little flustered at a couple points but I don't think it took away from his message and overall great performance plus he had some great responses from the crowd.
Leanne - sadly got shut out but I suppose it's fair being her party. Didn't come across as experienced as most of the others but she got plenty of good digs in.
Angus - overall did great and again had some great statements and really put the pressure on the tories. His comparison to labour and ukip on immigration was bullshit though, appreciate the need to fight labour in Scotland but that was wrong.
Nuttal - clearly a piece of shit racist but for those openly and self denying racist audience I think he performed really well. Other than the benefits for racists he was Terrible though.
Rudd - absolutely terrible. Being able to compare each party at once really shows how fake and market tested the Tories are. Everything was soundbites or personal attacks on Corbyn. Also that justification for selling arms was absolutely disgusting and if there is any justice it will be picked up on (it won't happen though).
Take away - in an ideal world this will help drive the wedge between the Tories pr machine and turn people off from them even more. I think ukip and labour could steal some votes back from the Tories, ukip for the right and labour from the centrists.
I do think this could really harm may, she is getting called out for being weak by an increasingly growing amount of people and this was her final (in the publics eye) test and she failed.
Hopefully the press can't attack Corbyn too much because of the forced attention on May and the Tories failures.
itsbenoclock
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Gardiner is going to fuck Davis up so bad, I can't wait. Labour on a roll.
Are there any other polls as recent as this one though?
Royal_Phalanx
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What's their methodology for that poll?
chromatic9
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Wouldn't want to place a bet on a Tory win. The moat has been breached and the door is on its last hinge. Can see any of the three outcomes.
Tories can't seem to stop stepping on rakes
Tories can't seem to stop stepping on rakes
"HERE WE... HERE WE... HERE WE FUCKING GO"
I'm beginning to wonder if YouGov are predicting a sizable Under-25 turnout? That could explain the discrepancy between theirs and other polls.
Royal_Phalanx
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I hope at least next election the Tories get what they deserve. To lose badly to a competent opposition.
I think YouGov's samples of young voters has an unprecedented number of them telling them they're "certain to vote", explaining these results. Of course, I'm preparing to be bitterly disappointed by my generations's laziness regardless. Destroying their own futures, they are.
I think YouGov's samples of young voters has an unprecedented number of them telling them they're "certain to vote", explaining these results. Of course, I'm preparing to be bitterly disappointed by my generations's laziness regardless. Destroying their own futures, they are.
I've never really trusted YouGov. There's something about their fundamental online opt in model which just seems wrong. Their cohort is self selecting (opting into their online polls) and while it might be demographically diverse, it's demographically diverse people who ALL signed up for online polling. Might not be significant but it's like polling a demographically and socially diverse group who all happen to like marmite.
Ravensmash
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I need to stop checking the fucking betting odds.
Conservative majority down to 1/5 - lowest I've seen since I've been checking regularly.
Conservative majority down to 1/5 - lowest I've seen since I've been checking regularly.
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57% from that one. Higher than 2015, lower than referendum.
Audioboxer
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Wouldn't want to place a bet on a Tory win. The moat has been breached and the door is on its last hinge. Can see any of the three outcomes.
Tories can't seem to stop stepping on rakes
if the odds are good why the hell not, it's a safe af bet.
... ;/ the fact that I don't think so anymore shows how bizarre this all is.
After the event
nah, it's January, just trolling
Almost puked at the thought of UKIP being that high
killer_clank
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YouGov give much more benefit of the doubt to young voters saying they're definitely going to vote than say, ICM, who weight based on how that age group turned out in the past, which has mostly worked in the past. So it's a judgment call really, this election could indeed break the trend re youth turnout.
JonathanEx
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Telegraph's spin of the debate is predictably hilarious. It's the caption of Amber Rudd, who is their posh totty of the day: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBL2Nf7XYAI1ptr.jpg:large
Filthy Casual
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It's on.
It would be insane if the tories ended winning a minority on june 8th with only 42% of the vote, but I doubt it will happen right now.
Royal_Phalanx
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AFAIK online polling was more accurate than telephone polling for the referendum, unless I got that wrong. Yougov were the only ones that predicted a slight Leave lead a lot of the time.
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