Ah yes, the thing both major parties are in complete agreement on and have very little control over.
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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding
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Graphics Horse
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Brexit means Brexit couldn't be clearer
Audioboxer
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This drums up anti-Labour sentiment in the rUK
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...y-corbyn-second-nicola-sturgeon-a7624681.html
Hours later
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ies-backing-second-scottish-independence-vote
and now
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...es-jeremy-corbyn-split-refuses-rule-allowing/
Scotland going independent doesn't just impact on the Scottish people. As much as some don't give a flying fuck about finances/ability for Scotland to be independent, the UK as the world knows it will cease to exist and damn, the flag might need to change. Point being even if you have zero care for the people in Scotland us leaving fundamentally changes the whole of the UK. For everyone.
So while the leaflet is handed out up here, Scottish Labour are on damage control for how Corbyn has been painted in headlines across the UK. I still think my food for thought for Scottish Labour is reasonable as well. Did they not pay attention to what happened in 2015 in Scotland? At this point I think Corbyn would do a better job of handling Scottish Labour than Dugdale can. She's a poor imitation of Davidson and will not be able to chase the strong Unionist vote like she envisions. A "soft" Labour leader is needed in Scotland to try and claw back a chunk of that SNP support. Howwwwwever, the Tories across the UK would throw cannon balls at that. "Labour are in the SNPs pockets! Labour are chasing pro-independence voters! Labour support Scottish Independence! SECURITY THREAT!".
In a weeks time watch as Labour gains back 1~2 seats while the Tories manage 3/4x that.... in Scotland.
OmegaTreeFish
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Its only anecdotal but I have seen a few people at my work who have lost faith in May the more she talks on TV. She quite obviously comes accross as strong only when sticking to her practised lines. The second she is forced to deviate she crumbles. Hopefully this is a common realisation accross the country.... but I doubt it.
Theonik
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I know. Just expecting the backtrack to backfire so they backtrack all strong and stable like.
QuicheFontaine
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If the backtrack backfires, doesn't that propel them forward?
Was handed a local Labour leaflet this morning. Seems like my local MP enjoys that "Tory like" approach to telling Nicola to get back to her day job!
Scottish Labour yet again trying to chase hard Tories, whereas they'd have more chance trying to court soft-SNP voters.
They must be using a standard template for them all, that looks like the exact same wording and layout as the one I got through my door here in Aberdeenshire. It isn't going to get people going like the "only RUTH DAVIDSON'S CANDIDATE can stop the SNP" Tory leaflet I got through my door the other day, they know how to get people properly worked up
FlammableD
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Nigel Farage is 'person of interest' in FBI investigation into Trump and Russia
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...russia?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...russia?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Copy_to_clipboard
Farage is corrupt. No doubt about it. Unfortunately by the time it's been exposed it will be too late.
Audioboxer
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They must be using a standard template for them all, that looks like the exact same wording and layout as the one I got through my door here in Aberdeenshire. It isn't going to get people going like the "only RUTH DAVIDSON'S CANDIDATE can stop the SNP" Tory leaflet I got through my door the other day, they know how to get people properly worked up
Precisely. In terms of playing a tactical game, you do have to give credit to Davidson. I won't mention Murdo Fraser and credit in the same sentence though, he's a total space rocket.
Scottish Labour just cannot outdo Davidson and her camp. Even the Orange Order is probably going to convert some of those Labour votes. The current perception is if you want to oppose Scottish independence, vote Conservative. Scottish Labour are stuck in limbo right now.
As I said they're "afraid" to try and court soft-SNP voters due to the political smearing that goes on. Even although many of these voters voted Labour in years gone by. Then they just seem Tory-lite when they try to use Tory-language to attack the SNP. Which like it or not does piss off some soft-SNP voters as it just reminds them of the Tories.
Ultimately, I wouldn't like to be Scottish Labour. People say Corbyn/his party are a mess, well, take a seat as Scottish Labour is beyond a mess. Still, Scottish people voting Conservative instead of Labour -_-
Randy Lanzarote
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The only Tory voter I know has also posted something similar to this on Facebook recently, lamenting that "she's no Dave" and seems to be "as useless as Corbyn".
So, I don't think its a viewpoint that is necessarily isolated. I think there has been a realisation that the supposed new iron lady is more aluminium. For someone who has been in front line politics for seemingly an eternity, her campaign has been nothing but amateur hour. CCHQ and the veteran MPs must be wondering how she's managed to fool so many people for so long.
Theonik
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Because Cameron should have sacked her and many of his front bench ages ago but did not. And because the media has been pretty soft on the Conservatives overall.
The moment these people hit adversity they self-combust. It's probably one of the things that Corbyn would have over May in a potential EU negotiation. He's much more battle tested.
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You got any more of those... polls?
Dirtyshubb
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BlazingDarkness
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Wat the fuck
May has been programmed to mention only 2 themes from here on.
Strong and stable.
Brexit
Strong and stable.
Brexit.
And offer no detail on anything, including Brexit.
She wants to bore us into forgetting her terrible performance so far. Maybot has been rebooted but they haven't got time to install a personality in there so they've deleted any programming that has the potential to fail. So expect nothing other than this for the next week and certainly no mention of the manifesto.
HazySaiyan
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London mainly voting Labour isn't that much of a shock
BlazingDarkness
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Day 9 upswing though, we can live in hope pls
Randy Lanzarote
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Definitely. Its amazing how many people 'coasted' along in that cabinet, but I guess Cameron was not in a position to rock the boat whilst in coalition or with his slender majority from 2015.
Thinking about this the other day made me realise how brutal Blair was in comparison. He ruddy loved chopping and changing (other than his neighbour).
Labour won London by 9.2% in 2015 so a 17% lead is pretty massive.
Dirtyshubb
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I did see that so it isnt me hoping its representative of the whole country but thats still a massive swing that needs to be looked at.
I think its especially important since we had on the last page discussion about how many swing voters can there be left. Well according to this there are still quite a few.
HazySaiyan
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I'm not saying it's not impressive but it's certainly not a megaton.
Theonik
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Well. For Cameron it was more an ideological thing as well. He felt those reshuffles breed instability and intentionally avoided doing them despite poor performance. These people were never supposed to slide into PMship.
Let's flip City of London and Westminster.
PJV3
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I do like this city sometimes.
What effect would that have on London seats? Gain a couple?
PJV3
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Conservative war chest swells with ten times more in donations than Labour
The Conservatives raked in a whopping £3.4m more than Labour in the third week of the general election campaign, official figures revealed today.
Theresa Mays party took £3.7m in large donations between 17 and 23 May including £1m from a single donor named John Gore.
Labour, meanwhile, raised £330,000 ten times less than its main opponent almost all of which came from trade unions, primarily Unite.
The Conservatives have been handed £6.5m in donations since the beginning of May, compared with £3.36m for Labour.
Separate figures released last week show donations to the Tories for the first three months of the year were also double those of Labour at £5.5m to £2.6m.
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https://www.politicshome.com/news/u.../news/86370/conservative-war-chest-swells-ten
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On that poll, the Conservatives would lose 4 seats in London - 2 to Labour, 2 to the Lib Dems.
This is genuinely disgusting. Rich folks openly lobbying so that they can save what is effectively pocket change.
Interesting. Things are unpredictable enough at the moment that 4 seats could either be very significant or not at all. Depends what happens elsewhere.
Pyroclastic
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yeah. if zac goldsmith gets in because of the split vote and they keep twickenham I will shit
SuperBowser
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I will be happy if Tories lose seats.
Pretty much all my friends are voting this election. None of them voted last time. All of them are voting with the intention "whatever will block conservatives in my area". I think this sentiment is echoed over much of London.
Pretty much all my friends are voting this election. None of them voted last time. All of them are voting with the intention "whatever will block conservatives in my area". I think this sentiment is echoed over much of London.
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Oh, sorry, I realise I forgot to account for Richmond. The Conservatives would still gain Richmond on those figures. So net -3 Con +1 Lib + 2 Lab.
She's said countless times prior to this that it's NOT about Brexit. She really cant make up her mind can she.
Audioboxer
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Now imagine if this was the whole UK right now... At least for this GE it would have many much happier.
PJV3
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How can that fucker get back in after everything he got up to, it's not that the seat goes Tory that's pissing me off.
ahahahaha
they have nothing lmao. all those millions and that's their new idea.
even though they should still win a decent majority the schadenfreude of watching the worst tory campaign ever unravel in front of us has been a complete joy
I mean, London pretty much is it's own country these days. Have you seen how much a pint costs there?
ahahahaha
they have nothing lmao. all those millions and that's their new idea.
even though they should still win a decent majority the schadenfreude of watching the worst tory campaign ever unravel in front of us has been a complete joy
Wtf is this bullshit? She literally said she'd walk away without a deal if she had to.
itsbenoclock
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Almost had a fucking heart attack
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