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UK General Election - 8th June 2017 |OT| - The Red Wedding
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nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I think my post above answers that question...
These are some of the points I was trying to make. If the Tories try to oust May and elect a new leader, i.e. a new PM, most of the public will consider that outrageous having just been asked to vote for May.
Of course in reality only May's constituents ever vote for her, but the general perception is vote Tory to get PM May, and it is after all the significant message of her campaign.
And when would this happen? Any time in the next two years would be considered disastrous for Brexit and I think the public would punish them for internal party disputes at such a crucial time. If the majority is as low as some predictions I can see why some big Tory beasts would want her out, but I think even these morons would have enough sense to close ranks and get behind her.
Interesting stuff, and if accurate goes some way to backing what a few of us were saying to Crab about the SNP/Angus Robertson.
I think Leanne Wood has the most interesting stats there though. She obviously went in with her targets and stuck to them like glue.
Lynton will be readying Fallon or Boris for another dead cat diversion.
The Rain King
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Quoting this just to get one post closer to it.
BrokenIcarus
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So what are the odds we don't get a Tory absolute majority?
Thornton Reed
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I think someone posted 1/5 yesterday which is the lowest it's been
What's even left, short of Boris just dropping his trousers on live television?
Randy Lanzarote
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Time for Plan B
Get Boris out on a unicycle whilst wearing a Union Jack suit.
Get Boris out on a unicycle whilst wearing a Union Jack suit.
nekkid
It doesn't matter who we are, what matters is our plan.
I thought you were referring to the singer and chav-advocate.
If anything with young people it has the opposite effect.
I don't know a single young person who likes being bombarded with ads.
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Also, the story about Corbyn, Rudd and Farron going to Manchester was nice, but where the hell was our Prime minister? She should've been the first person there.
Jezbollah
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Yep I think this one will do it.
Can't say anything pro-Trump because it won't play with voters. Can't say anything anti-Trump because you're the foreign secretary. Quick, say "Wimbeldy-wambeldy!"
No-one likes being bombarded with ads. Everyone says it turns them off.
Everyone still gets affected by them.
The notion that companies are spending literally billions upon billions upon billions of money on advertising that doesn't work always mystifies me. We're sadly quite easy to manipulate as a species.
Theonik
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Is it addressed to you still? Not sure what you're supposed to do in those circumstances. If you can't get it to its rightful owner destroy it?
The Foreign Secretary doesn't have an issue saying negative things about other allies. Other allies have been quick to criticise the US's decision over climate change. The UK is in almost an uniquely subservient position when it comes to the US, especially now we've cut ourselves adrift from the EU's sphere of influence. The EU looks to be getting on with forging new partnerships with Japan and China to mitigate the Trump instability.
On climate I think it's because the Tories are going to use Brexit to pull out out the Paris accords at some point citing the economic impact and the US decision.
Adverts absolutely work, and anyone that claims to be immune to them or that they don't work is just unaware of how their own subconscious works.
Miles Quaritch
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This highlights how quickly, in the grand scheme of things, a country can go from being on the right side of history to the wrong side.
Randy Lanzarote
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Bin it?
I'm guessing these things have some sort of tracking info on them? I don't think you want the possibility of being flagged up as committing some sort of electoral fraud by submitting more than one vote.
And, y'know.... democracy and stuff.
Theonik
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They wouldn't actually. Gotta keep voting secret and whatnot. But yes. Don't be knob and destroy the extra vote.
She's still likely to win a majority. It just probably won't be the 100+ seats originally predicted.
In what respect/s?
It's June.
Lmao
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|OT| Bake Off is on BBC 2 next
does have a nice ring to it.
does have a nice ring to it.
Badoom tish, very good.
Randy Lanzarote
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Dammit.... I went straight to BBC News to check if some awful, shocking, career-ending scandal had been leaked. (ie. she's been captured in one of Keith Vaz's special home movies)
Well played.
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|OT2| Have a brew. Pop Bake Off on. Wait for all of this to blow over.
If the majority is less than 50, the Tories will get rid of her once the Brexit talks go to shit.
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Not you too, Meadows! Don't let the hope get you! Fight it! I'm not losing another one!
RedSparrows
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Nah. There are plenty of people more convinced of Corbyn's useleness than they are of May's.
PJV3
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I just can't see Jeremy Corbyn in number 10, a very slim Tory majority/minority government I can. I'm not sure i really want Labour taking over with the coming shitstorm anyway.
A hung parliament would be a convenient way of spreading blame for softening Brexit.
Thornton Reed
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based off what, one YouGov poll.
Don't do this to yourself. The shy Tory voters are still out there in their droves. May could probably drop an N word and it still wouldn't make a difference. I would love nothing more than to eat crow but regardless of the poll's narrowing i can still only see one outcome.
The rhetoric being spun by some of the Right wing press about the debate last night, specifically that the audience was made up of Super Mega Hyper Fighting 2 Turbo Corbyn supporters and that the MODERATOR was Pro Corbyn...it's just like...
They are 100% banking on their readers not having watched it.
They are 100% banking on their readers not having watched it.
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I'm not even sure I disagree. I want the Conservatives to own Brexit and the consequences of Brexit. A hung parliament, with a Conservative minority, massive loss of face for May, and a rebuilt Labour Party is like my dream result at this point.
Not that it will happen.
Miles Quaritch
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Most people I know only watch highlights or read about the debate, so doing this makes​ sense.
They know a lot of people won't have watched it and will use the newspapers to find out how it went.
PJV3
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Yep, 5 years of Conservative fireworks and limited ability to screw people over will do me nicely.
The Lib Dems yet again bring the banter: http://www.libdems.org.uk/whatsthe404pagelooklike
Pretty much.
In other words we're fucked.
This country will not change unfortunately and I realised that back in 2015.
Ayyyyy lads
JonathanEx
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About 3 million viewers, with 7 million over on BGT. So not brilliant. Still, all of these hitting 3 million may have little bits of creeping effect.
I'm still not holding out hope that it'll be a minority govt, I refuse to believe. Because if I'm wrong, I'll be *happy* and wrong
Theonik
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3m households is a lot tbh.
JonathanEx
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Oh yeah, it's good, not amazing. Definitely down on the 2015 seven-way and the 2010 three-way. Quick google suggests 7 and 9 million peaks respectively.
And with an audience of 9m for the 2010 one, you get a bit more of a reminder how Clegg-mania 'happened', even if it was a flash in the pan.
Thornton Reed
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i agree it is but who are these undecideds? I've only met one swing voter in my whole life, that's my brother in law. Voted Tory in the last election and he's voting labour in this one. I just don't think that debate would be enough to sway the minds of undecided voters.
I think most people probably already know who they'll vote for. The election will be decided by the turnout rather than people changing their minds.
Dirtyshubb
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You also have to think that if someone is engaged enough to actually watch the debate then they are engaged enough to talk about the results with others.
The Conservatives came off terribly to anyone but the no hope brainwashed Tory voters who wouldn't ever change their mind.
I could easily see the narrative of May being chicken and the debate actually not being as bad as the papers make out being one that spreads.
How this changes things for the election result? Maybe nothing but the more unstable we can make May and the Tories look the better this narrative of 'Strong and Stable' is shown for the soundbite that it is.
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